From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #64 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, May 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 064 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] RE: Dumptruck ["Brett Milano" ] [loud-fans] Tedious list server enquiry, Concert Highlights [Richard Gagn] Re: [loud-fans] favorite concert experience [Dan McCarthy ] Re: [loud-fans] Tedious list server enquiry [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] a little nostalgia for the old folks ["Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: Dumptruck It's half with Kevin, half with Kirk Swan, and all real good. The cover of "Idiot Wind" is worth the price of the disc, and the new stuff ain't bad neither. **I saw a new Dumptruck CD today called LEMMINGS INTO THE SEA. The sticker says that it features a separate CD of live tracks from 1986 - 1989. Is that the period that Kevin Salem was playing guitar with them? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:05:36 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Tedious list server enquiry, Concert Highlights Coming late to this, I just wanted to mention that my mail program (Eudora 5.0 for Mac) lets me, by default, reply directly to the list. Maybe I messed with the settings on that particular detail, but I don't recall doing so. Fave concert experiences: Any of the times I saw Bryan Ferry ('83 with Roxy, '88, '94 and, hopefully, this summer with Roxy) would have to rank up there. Whatever excessive restraint Ferry lavishes on his latter-day studio recordings, he tosses away live; still, the detail and subtlety is retained, but the music can finally breathe. I was also blown away by Warren Zevon, Ottawa, 1991, Enemy of the People tour. Big snowstorm that night, but it only added to the atmosphere. Warren was ably backed by two fellow multi-instrumentalists, and the show was truly mesmerizing. Eels, in Montreal, 1998...the Electroshock Blues tour. Lisa Germano started the evening on a bad note, played an unremarkable set, and passed the time being her usual neurotic, cranky self. Eels, on the other hand, were very, very good. I've never seen such a reverent crowd, hanging on to every word and every note, actually holding its breath at the end of songs until the very last note before resoundingly voicing its approval. Amazing. Apparently, E was not pleased, a couple weeks later in Philadelphia when he ended up with a crowd mostly comprised of drunken hecklers, and *that* show didn't last long, from what I've heard. He gave them half an hour of guitar feedback and left the stage. The difference a couple of weeks and a crowd can make. Most significantly, perhaps, is that fact that E's mother died that week. I wouldn't be in the mood to put up with anyone's shit either. Best of all was probably Brian Wilson live at Jones Beach, NY, last fall. With a cast of dozens, the execution and emotion mixed very well indeed. Tears of joy were shed. That's got to count for something. Rick - -- + Le paysage avait la milancolie des choses inachevies ; **** Marcel Brion, "Les escales de la Haute Nuit" **** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:42:39 -0400 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] favorite concert experience I didn't mention that on May 7th I'm about to see an Autechre show that I expect will rank among my favourite concerts. Maybe they're a little too 'electronic' for you cats; any loud-fans gonna be at the Cambridge, MA show? (the other) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:43:57 -0400 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] actual praise for actual businesses! At 04:06 PM 5/3/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >First up is Sanctuary Records in England, who now own the Castle label. Yep, and at the risk of a near-magnetic flame attraction, I'll add that I think it's great that they're finally domestically releasing the EMI Marillion remasters. No kidding. I actually really do like Marillion. (the other) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:27:19 -0400 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] munge the smoes (ns) At 04:27 PM 5/3/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: > > I just like saying "Munge the smoes" and was hoping it would catch on. I hereby pledge to use the phrase "munge the smoes" at least once a day in casual conversation. I think the vacant stares it will generate will more than offset the occasional punch to the mouth it might elicit (some people might think it a racial slur, dont'cha know). (the other) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 21:55:13 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tedious list server enquiry Dana L Paoli wrote: > > Munge the smoes! we need t-shirts that say this. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 22:02:16 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tedious list server enquiry Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > > The lesson I take from that incident, and others like it that I've seen, is that > every e-mail is potentially a public document--one is always a few erroneous > keystrokes, yours or someone else's, away from a goof. I just read an article where a frustrated email dashed off in haste was used in a court of law as evidence of child abuse. I have since read that even deleted emails can be "confiscated" from your hard drive (if you are arrested for certain things) and used as evidence. It's scary to think what sorts of innocent ramblings could be pulled out of context and made to mean something else that's quite incriminating sounding. > Interestingly, Lotus Notes has a "feature" far more dangerous than either of the > two alternatives we're considering: when you decide not to send that rash flame > you've been typing, and close the window, you get a dialog asking you what you > want to do with it. Guess what the default is? That's right, "send message". That is truly frightening! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:27:30 -0400 From: "Francis J H Park" Subject: [loud-fans] As just as abruptly, bye for now Hello folks, Even one day's worth of mail provides me an indicator of my inability to keep up with this list. Call it accelerated decrepitude, family life, voluntary servitude to The Man (once my active duty service obligation expires in 5 days), or any number of other lame excuses. When I moved to NC, I thought I'd be living by myself, working on my car in the meantime, and jumping out of planes a lot. Instead, I got married, do housework when prompted by the Other Half, sprouted a kid, and have jumped out of a planes a grand total of 7 times in the year since I got married, a far cry from the 25 I did the year prior to getting married. I do have cable now that I'm married, so I can tape Pinky and the Brain daily at 5:30am. I'm on the net, but in a much lesser capacity until probably this time next year or so, when I get ready to move elsewhere, perchance back to Fort Knox, the home of armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot tracer depleted uranium long rod penetrators. But that's conjecture. I'll find out in about 6 months where I'm really going. Maura showed me an ultrasound printout, dated today, showing "8 weeks." Looks like I'll have my tank crew a little sooner than I expected. So much for making a graceful return to the list. I'll be back when I get a chance. To quote the Brain, "Yes. Yessss. YESSSSSS!" Narf, Francis J. H. Park http://home.sprintmail.com/~durandal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:35:28 +0800 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tedious list server enquiry At 9:55 PM -0400 5/3/01, jenny grover wrote: > > Munge the smoes! > >we need t-shirts that say this. > >Jen You know, if someone were willing to create a "Munge the Smoes" website, that person could hook it up with http://www.cafepress.com and we could get 'em. Mugs and mousepads, too. No cost to get them made. Just a suggestion. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:07:00 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Chills stuff What has Martin Phillips put out since the SUNBURNT (correct title name?) CD? That was the last thing I got from him. Also, what, if anything, predates the KALEIDESCOPE WORLD? What is the web address for all things Martin Phillips please? M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:08:08 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] actual praise for actual businesses! In a message dated 5/3/01 6:37:29 PM, endxmit@yahoo.com writes of Sanctuary Records: <> And if you're really gay--or, like me, just sensitive--you can also thank them for a fine Duncan Browne twofer and reissuing the Metro debut. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:16:50 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] favorite concert experience In a message dated 5/2/01 5:15:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com writes: << I know a lot of this seems like obvious stuff now, but this was 1988. The covers didn't come off as "ironic", but rather "wow, somebody else fails to see these musics as polar opposites, too". At the time, I'd never seen anything like it. >> I thought this was an interesting observation. Sensitivity to irony seemed to be something that was in the minds of the great postmodern artists, writers and musicians of the seventies, then it sprouted among college campuses in small colonies on a small scale in the eighties, but didn't bloom and take over the mental landscape of masses of people until the nineties and information overload. This is of course just my opinion. I'm sure Utne Reader probably has done some sort of thing on this topic. That would be one I'd like to read. M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:34:50 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] favorite concert experience In a message dated 5/3/01 12:32:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: << And the ringer in the bunch: Fetchin' Bones, in Madison, WI, around 1987 or so. I'm sure my falling in lust with Hope Nicholls helped things here - >> Fetchin' Bones were a favorite of mine as well back in those days, and they came and played here once shortly after their last record was released. They played a venue (now a "gentlemens'" club) called Gary's Hangar Club (by the local airport) and they were plagued with the power going out during the set...I guess it was three times. Hope got pissed off the last time it happened and screamed to the audience, "We've been sabotaged by Bob Jones University!!!" Bad Pumpkin ROCKED. M np the Clientele SUBURBAN LIGHT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:48:34 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Chills stuff In a message dated 5/3/01 11:19:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MarkWStaples@aol.com writes: << What is the web address for all things Martin Phillips please? M >> Nevermind, I see now that this has been answered several times over. I threw a party in my heart, no one has shown up... M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:55:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tedious list server enquiry, Concert Highlights On Thu, 3 May 2001, Richard Gagnon wrote: > + Le paysage avait la milancolie des choses inachevies ; My French is really bad - but does this not say "Dogs from Milan have pizzas with those anchovy things?" > **** Marcel Brion, "Les escales de la Haute Nuit" **** Hot Nuts for Sale?!? (Any relation to Jon?) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:04:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] a little nostalgia for the old folks The car I drive to work doesn't have a CD player but only cassette, so I've been rotating through my old cassettes and listening to stuff I haven't heard for ages. I just ran into _This Is the Ice Age_ by Martha & the Muffins - and hey, this is a fine album. Surprisingly, not even the Canadians seem to have kept it in print - does anyone know anything different? (Another band whose catalog is doomed by the one or two hits - a zillion comps with "Echo Beach" but the original albums? nuh-uh...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who's been having problems with pigs and ponies J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 00:10:28 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] munge the smoes (ns) In a message dated 5/3/01 9:37:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, endxmit@yahoo.com writes: << I hereby pledge to use the phrase "munge the smoes" at least once a day in casual conversation. I think the vacant stares it will generate will more than offset the occasional punch to the mouth it might elicit (some people might think it a racial slur, dont'cha know). (the other) Dan >> I've been singing the B-52's "Roam" and replacing it with "smoe" here at my computer. Almost as good as "Mad Libs." Smoe if you want to... M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 00:18:20 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] As just as abruptly, bye for now In a message dated 5/3/01 10:34:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, durandal@sprintmail.com writes: << Maura showed me an ultrasound printout, dated today, showing "8 weeks." Looks like I'll have my tank crew a little sooner than I expected. So much for making a graceful return to the list. I'll be back when I get a chance. To quote the Brain, "Yes. Yessss. YESSSSSS!" Narf, Francis J. H. Park >> Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain...bye bye and please come back one day when you can!" Maybe if I get Bubba Bo Bob Brain to play his hypnotic song I can get you to stay through mind control. Brain is love, M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 00:46:31 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: [loud-fans] rock shows In betwixt bouts of smoe-munging bipolar suicide attempts, I managed to see some great shows as a teen/young contemporary adult. I also witnessed REM on the 85 Fables tour. Early December, at the Reynolds High School Auditorium. The Minutemen opened, and I believe D. Boon died the week after. Seeing them opened some doors in my mind. And being 15 feet away from REM in those days forever affected my perception of them (they were just too great), so that all the other times I saw them play (in big, cold, alien arenas and stadiums) was about as much fun as... well, whatever. My young musical awakening happened to coincide with the whole NC/southern guitar pop phenomenon (at least, it seemed to be a phenomenon in the South). A lucky result of this timing was that I got to see plenty of great bands at their peak. One of the first shows I ever went to (also at RJR High Aud.) was: The dB's, Chris Stamey, and Let's Active. No, I'm not joking. I will have to dig through my neurons to capture the details, but I know that it changed my life (well, my young adult life). Another great experience was seeing the dB's at Casablanca, a Winston-Salem club that burned down toward the end of the 80s. This show was pure club rock - Holsapple and co. *rocked* (I do mean *rocked*) for over three hours. When they ran out of dB's material (I believe they played every song in their reportoire to that point), they began kicking out a barrage of 50s, 60s and 70s covers. It was one of the first times I got to stay out late, too! I saw Holsapple and Stamey on their Mavericks tour, Let's Active quite a few times at the high school auditorium and local clubs. Fetchin Bones. Stamey solo acoustic around 86. Mitch and Chris doing an in-store acoustic gig around the time the Sneakers material was released on cd. Seeing the Loud Family for the first time (I missed Game Theory in Charlotte due to the cruelty of some forgotten antagonist or situation) is just too much for me to go into now. Let's say I was overjoyed. Other great shows: The Church, Violent Femmes, Pixies, Billy Bragg - all at Memorial Hall in Chapel Hill (not the same night!); Alex Chilton at the Cat's Cradle; Jonathan Richman at the Cat's Cradle (wow!); fIREHOSE; Flaming Lips; Yo La Tengo; Dump, at some cool bar in NYC (making up for my aversion to Cities); plenty of Archers of Loaf shows; The Replacements, with Tommy Keene opening; Peter Case at a small bar in Winston, the Hoodoo Gurus, Blonde Redhead... Sorry, I'm just kind of remembering to myself now (let's see, should I send it to the list, or myself only?). But, yeah, rock shows can be fun. love, Dr. Murt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:48:45 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a little nostalgia for the old folks >I just ran into _This Is the Ice Age_ by Martha & >the Muffins - and hey, this is a fine album. Surprisingly, not even the >Canadians seem to have kept it in print - does anyone know anything >different? (Another band whose catalog is doomed by the one or two hits - >a zillion comps with "Echo Beach" but the original albums? nuh-uh...) Go to www.ubl.com and type in the band's name--DANSEPARC/MYSTERY WALK, which I presume is a 2-for-1 CD, pops up, and so does FAR AWAY IN TIME, which I'm assuming is a best-of. CDNow has'em too, but the UBL's artistdirect service offers, shockingly enough, better prices. The flavor of doom Scott prayed for in vain, Andy "Oh. My. God." - --Doug Taylor on http://www.hbdub.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 00:48:11 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] actual praise for actual businesses! At 11:08 PM 5/3/2001 -0400, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >And if you're really gay--or, like me, just sensitive--you can also thank >them for a fine Duncan Browne twofer and reissuing the Metro debut. Aww...what does a Metro reissue have to do with being gay? That's one of the more hetero (in a sleazy, Eurotrash kinda way) albums in my collection! "The stains on your satin skirt come from another lover, and your sweet sixteen proportions aren't kept undercover..." MB ps: so tell me, what's the URL for this particular gang of idiots? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:03:13 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tedious list server enquiry >It's scary >to think what sorts of innocent ramblings could be pulled out of context >and made to mean something else that's quite incriminating sounding. Or even pulled in context. We didn't cover this much on-list (my bad), but "yours was yum" rings a few bells, yes? Suddenly I think of durian fruit, Andy "Hiroyuki Nishigaki, a graduate of Osaka City University in 1963, resides in Japan. He was employed by the Kyodo News Agency until 1976. He is the author of four books in Japanese, including How to Attain Silent Knowledge. A female inorganic ally gave the author the ability of space travel at age of 10 and 56. His first space travel was at the age of 56." - --biography of Hiroyuki Nishigaki, author of REJUVENATION AND UNVEILED HIDDEN PHENIX : CARLOS CASTANEDA SHAMANISM PLUS ALPHA AFTER HIS DEATH and HOW TO GOOD-BYE DEPRESSION: IF YOU CONSTRICT ANUS 100 TIMES A DAY, MALARKEY? OR EFFECTIVE WAY?, from the former book's entry at amazon.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:10:38 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] actual praise for actual businesses! >Yep, and at the risk of a near-magnetic flame attraction, I'll add that I >think it's great that they're finally domestically releasing the EMI >Marillion remasters. > >No kidding. I actually really do like Marillion. I shake you warmly by the hand, and I'm not even the biggest Marillion fan on the list (HogarthMarillion still not impressing me unto cost-effective distinction, though I'll keep trying). But about time you came aboard--those reissues have been out about a year! "Well, get on it then!", Andy Sept. 24, 1984 [Return Address] Beloit, Wis. 53511 [phone] [Addressee] [Address] Madison, Wis. 3266 Dear People: I live in a very old, fine, home, that is registered with the Historical Society, and I have kept it in good condition for the past forty some years that I have lived here, - in agreement with the former owner and the terms of sale which she layed down. This house is on a farm next to the farm owned by Doctor [Name], whose home is now the [Name] Historical Museum. She passed away in 1960 under tragic surcumstances, but at an advanced age. Her death was caused by"electric streaks", as her sister, Dr. Etta [Name] explained, when I was called over there about three days before the Doctor's death. I must confess that I was incredulous, although I have an electrical engineering education, and spent years in this field, before the depression disorganized my field. However I realized that the Doctor was not in error when I myself was treated to this atrocity- a kind of super radar beam,- used in space work,- by Hitler apparently,-and by us in Viet Nam, in connection with "seeker" frequencies to seek out the Congers in the jungles. This failed because the Congers hung urine soaked rags in the trees and then took off and holed in elsewhere, while our planes blasted the rags. However these "seeker" frequencies have proved valuable in locating gas leaks in transcontinental gas lines. Meanwhile, since then, however, other "seeker"frequencies of incredible capabilities have been developed, that "home in" on various body parts. Since these"beams", or"frequencies" result in horrible atrocities, I feel that their nature and capabilities should be known, along with "voodoo", hypnosis, and the rest of the ancient "curses" that plagued man since ancient times. Especially since these various "frequencies" may be powered up versions of these. The purpose of this letter, however, is to seek your help in preventing the destruction of this old historic home- by means of these helicoptors- accompanied by"roof bangers" , This "roof banger" helicopter combination has been used for the past week. These are small, silent helicopters, equipped also with beaming apparatus. According to the F.A.A. men these are the gas line testing machines, and a sheriff's deputy and the Rockford radar traced one to my home, and then on to Fort Atkinson. The F.B.I. and the F.A.A. were removed by Pres. Carter, and my help from the sheriff and Douglas La Follette. Doug is a fine concerned man, and we have a good sheriff. But I must have more effective help, because my roof is in grave danger. Those involved in this atrocity are known- the Commonwealth Edison Co, and a nearby quarry- a subsidiary. my land, and the [Name] farm land are wanted for the limestone in the land. I was told by an involved real estate man , now dead,-that this house would have to be torn down. These "frequencies" which seem to be concentrated upon my land, especially in the area around the house, seem to menace most plants, especially most of my trees. The leaves have turned yellow and are falling off- before frost. The walnut trees have lost most of their leaves. Birds and animals too are affected. Most birds stay away, or stay for only a short time. Even sparrows. The house was all nested up with them years ago, but not one lives here now. The squirrels and woodchucks seem immune. All eight of my cats in the barns died, including three nests of dead kittens, I found. Our dog got blind. The man across the road went blind too. I have shielded all of my windows, the upper ceiling, and the brick of the house shields well, except for the radioactive beams, and the modulated frequencies, which use long wave carriers. My wife had to leave. Despite shielding, the upstairs is unlivable. I liived in the deep basement during the Carter Administraition. It is some better now, except at night. According to a n article in a magazine- only a short paragraph- this atrocity originated in Atlanta, Georgia. I do know that the early Pre-Hitler Nazis had headquarters in a college there. I think the man- who was a W.W. I. Submarine captain, said it was called Augustana, college. I don't know whether there is a college of that name down there. I went to night school with him in Chicago. Apparently the Nazi thing was fashioned after the Klan, rather than the Fascist thing. But I was told by a plant guard captain that the "Nazis have it in for me".. I had charge of naval parts production from three factories during W.W.II, and I had an awful time putting down sabotage. Something like this roof banging now. [signature] We need powerful, antiterror ist agencies in on this- such as the F.B.I. the F.A.A. and the E.P.A. Both of these creepy things are in Illinois,- and the Illinois E.P.A. man told me that the "Commonwealth Edison company is more powerful than the State of Illinois". I remember that President Roosevelt had trouble with Insull- and had to haul him back from Europe, where he was hiding. These beams also cause tornadoes or cyclones. Natural cyclones consists of one"cone", but these have several. One [illegible]cyclone- of seven cones- originating from the microwaves:streaks shot into the air from the quarry- cut a wide swath in my farm- and wrecked the roof of the house , hit three years ago,- causing 10,500 dollars damage. It was inspected by two meteorologists, who traced seven cones. Another tragic thing is the microwave and radioactive frequencies modulated into into our house curent frequencies. I have two Geiger counters which warn me of radioactive frequencies which can poison foods in the refrigerator. One of these Geigers sets up loud beep alarms and bright flashes when radioactivity is present. I then call the sheriff. There is a man who heads the E.P.A. in Chicago, who is apparently utterly stupid and unaware of this terrible menace that is cancering millions. But the Washington E.P.A. seems to be more concerned, and came out to abolish leaded gasoline a few days after I warned them about this leaded gasoline menace, especially in the cities. This concentrates low above the ground- being heavy, and is disastrously affecting our youngsters. The effect of lead is horribly similar to radioactivity- including genetic problems, and menacing our future generation with pointed heads, or, vicious, violent, natures. One family, who lived near here, had two children with pointed heads- able to utter only a few garbled words- and one boy who could think of nothing to do except breaking, destroying, pillaging, violence. He hit a little girl over the head with a pipe, but not big enough, or strong enough to kill her. His cousin, aged 3 1/2, is completely sex mad, as well. He threw huge stones- for him- at my car window. Also the contents of a bottle of pop- then the bottle. I can't tell you what the father of this boy did sexually- to this boy. He was "punished"- with probation. There is a horrible, hidden, nuclear plant in the quarry. I got two bags of lime, for bricklaying that were so radioactive that I began to bleed internally. You can just imagine what is happening to our dairy cattle- and the milk- when this kind of lime is spread in dairy barns. Radioactivity- and lead- result in need for pain killers- drugs- and pep-er upers- booze- pop- sweet stuff. [initials] [handwritten] Another cyclone was planned two years ago, judging by the electric streaks,but I called the sheriff and had it stopped. - --from http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/shs.html (courtesy Jeffrey Norman) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 01:17:12 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] nevermind All my Chilly questions have been answered. I took the initiative and looked up the info ON MY OWN!! "I'm a big kid look what I can do...Mommy WOW!!" Before you know it I'll be having cyber sex with anonymous strangers with a cable modem (ooo lala). I love my leather jacket. M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:52:16 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The rest of Andrea's tape >The Go-Go's: "Yes or No": Co-written by Jane Wiedlin and the Mael brothers >from Sparks, this song is less frothy than I remember the songs on the >first album as being (this one's from _Talk Show_, the follow-up - or was >that their third album?). A solid song - some arranging ideas mark it as a >product of the mid-eighties, but most wouldn't sound terribly out of place >today. Good stuff. I remember Jane's collaboration with Sparks too, "Cool Places," which must have been either the one turn or the one deserving another. Does it strike anyone strange how an all-female band cozied up to two of pop's more noted misogynists? Actually--and I'm not sure that this makes a big difference, to me--Rick Gagnon once said, "Russell doesn't feel that way. But Ron writes the lyrics, and Ron's the one who's afraid of women. So..." Don't eat no curry before a vurry, Andy "There's nothing on that phone that could be nearly as important as what's going on in front of you." - --Chad Renegar, after smashing his car into a telephone pole on Sunday in Atlanta, Georgia; he had taken his eyes off the road to answer his cell phone, which lay between the two fronts seat of his 1993 Nissan Maxima. Renegar and one passenger were not seriously injured, but the third occupant, noted supermodel Niki Taylor, suffered severe injuries to her liver and abdomen, and is still in critical condition having been operated on at least once. From http://www.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/News/05/03/taylor.surgery/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 02:01:06 -0400 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] actual praise for actual businesses! >I shake you warmly by the hand, and I'm not even the biggest Marillion fan >on the list (HogarthMarillion still not impressing me unto cost-effective >distinction, though I'll keep trying). Actually, I prefer the Hogarth-era Marillion. "Brave" and "Afraid of Sunlight" are their greatest achievements IMHO. > But about time you came >aboard--those reissues have been out about a year! Actually, I just noticed the re-releases in the record shop a short while ago. But I've been aboard- I simply paid grotesque import prices to get all of them when they were first released by EMI. Touche, (the other) Dan >"Well, get on it then!", > >Andy > >Sept. 24, 1984 > >[Return Address] >Beloit, Wis. 53511 >[phone] > >[Addressee] >[Address] >Madison, Wis. 3266 > >Dear People: > >I live in a very old, fine, home, that is registered with the Historical >Society, and I have kept it in good condition for the past forty some years >that I have lived here, - in agreement with the former owner and the terms >of sale which she layed down. This house is on a farm next to the farm owned >by Doctor [Name], whose home is now the [Name] Historical Museum. She passed >away in 1960 under tragic surcumstances, but at an advanced age. Her death >was caused by"electric streaks", as her sister, Dr. Etta [Name] explained, >when I was called over there about three days before the Doctor's death. I >must confess that I was incredulous, although I have an electrical >engineering education, and spent years in this field, before the depression >disorganized my field. > >However I realized that the Doctor was not in error when I myself was >treated to this atrocity- a kind of super radar beam,- used in space work,- >by Hitler apparently,-and by us in Viet Nam, in connection with "seeker" >frequencies to seek out the Congers in the jungles. This failed because the >Congers hung urine soaked rags in the trees and then took off and holed in >elsewhere, while our planes blasted the rags. However these "seeker" >frequencies have proved valuable in locating gas leaks in transcontinental >gas lines. Meanwhile, since then, however, other "seeker"frequencies of >incredible capabilities have been developed, that "home in" on various body >parts. Since these"beams", or"frequencies" result in horrible atrocities, I >feel that their nature and capabilities should be known, along with >"voodoo", hypnosis, and the rest of the ancient "curses" that plagued man >since ancient times. Especially since these various "frequencies" may be >powered up versions of these. > >The purpose of this letter, however, is to seek your help in preventing the >destruction of this old historic home- by means of these helicoptors- >accompanied by"roof bangers" , This "roof banger" helicopter combination has >been used for the past week. These are small, silent helicopters, equipped >also with beaming apparatus. According to the F.A.A. men these are the gas >line testing machines, and a sheriff's deputy and the Rockford radar traced >one to my home, and then on to Fort Atkinson. The F.B.I. and the F.A.A. were >removed by Pres. Carter, and my help from the sheriff and Douglas La >Follette. Doug is a fine concerned man, and we have a good sheriff. But I >must have more effective help, because my roof is in grave danger. Those >involved in this atrocity are known- the Commonwealth Edison Co, and a >nearby quarry- a subsidiary. my land, and the [Name] farm land are wanted >for the limestone in the land. I was told by an involved real estate man , >now dead,-that this house would have to be torn down. > > These "frequencies" which seem to be concentrated upon my land, especially >in the area around the house, seem to menace most plants, especially most of >my trees. The leaves have turned yellow and are falling off- before frost. >The walnut trees have lost most of their leaves. Birds and animals too are >affected. Most birds stay away, or stay for only a short time. Even >sparrows. The house was all nested up with them years ago, but not one lives >here now. The squirrels and woodchucks seem immune. All eight of my cats in >the barns died, including three nests of dead kittens, I found. Our dog got >blind. The man across the road went blind too. I have shielded all of my >windows, the upper ceiling, and the brick of the house shields well, except >for the radioactive beams, and the modulated frequencies, which use long >wave carriers. My wife had to leave. Despite shielding, the upstairs is >unlivable. I liived in the deep basement during the Carter Administraition. >It is some better now, except at night. According to a n article in a >magazine- only a short paragraph- this atrocity originated in Atlanta, >Georgia. I do know that the early Pre-Hitler Nazis had headquarters in a >college there. I think the man- who was a W.W. I. Submarine captain, said it >was called Augustana, college. I don't know whether there is a college of >that name down there. I went to night school with him in Chicago. Apparently >the Nazi thing was fashioned after the Klan, rather than the Fascist thing. >But I was told by a plant guard captain that the "Nazis have it in for me".. >I had charge of naval parts production from three factories during W.W.II, >and I had an awful time putting down sabotage. Something like this roof >banging now. >[signature] > >We need powerful, antiterror ist agencies in on this- such as the F.B.I. the >F.A.A. and the E.P.A. Both of these creepy things are in Illinois,- and the >Illinois E.P.A. man told me that the "Commonwealth Edison company is more >powerful than the State of Illinois". I remember that President Roosevelt >had trouble with Insull- and had to haul him back from Europe, where he was >hiding. These beams also cause tornadoes or cyclones. Natural cyclones >consists of one"cone", but these have several. One [illegible]cyclone- of >seven cones- originating from the microwaves:streaks shot into the air from >the quarry- cut a wide swath in my farm- and wrecked the roof of the house , >hit three years ago,- causing 10,500 dollars damage. It was inspected by two >meteorologists, who traced seven cones. Another tragic thing is the >microwave and radioactive frequencies modulated into into our house curent >frequencies. I have two Geiger counters which warn me of radioactive >frequencies which can poison foods in the refrigerator. One of these Geigers >sets up loud beep alarms and bright flashes when radioactivity is present. I >then call the sheriff. There is a man who heads the E.P.A. in Chicago, who >is apparently utterly stupid and unaware of this terrible menace that is >cancering millions. But the Washington E.P.A. seems to be more concerned, >and came out to abolish leaded gasoline a few days after I warned them about >this leaded gasoline menace, especially in the cities. This concentrates low >above the ground- being heavy, and is disastrously affecting our youngsters. >The effect of lead is horribly similar to radioactivity- including genetic >problems, and menacing our future generation with pointed heads, or, >vicious, violent, natures. One family, who lived near here, had two children >with pointed heads- able to utter only a few garbled words- and one boy who >could think of nothing to do except breaking, destroying, pillaging, >violence. He hit a little girl over the head with a pipe, but not big >enough, or strong enough to kill her. His cousin, aged 3 1/2, is completely >sex mad, as well. He threw huge stones- for him- at my car window. Also the >contents of a bottle of pop- then the bottle. I can't tell you what the >father of this boy did sexually- to this boy. He was "punished"- with >probation. There is a horrible, hidden, nuclear plant in the quarry. I got >two bags of lime, for bricklaying that were so radioactive that I began to >bleed internally. You can just imagine what is happening to our dairy >cattle- and the milk- when this kind of lime is spread in dairy barns. >Radioactivity- and lead- result in need for pain killers- drugs- and pep-er >upers- booze- pop- sweet stuff. > >[initials] > > >[handwritten] Another cyclone was planned two years ago, judging by the >electric streaks,but I called the sheriff and had it stopped. > >--from http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/shs.html > >(courtesy Jeffrey Norman) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 02:00:10 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Andrea's swap tape (pt. 1) At 03:55 PM 5/03/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Liz Phair "Headache": I'm assuming 95% of Loudfans know this song - but >I'll take the opportunity to gripe slightly about Ms. Phair. I really wish >she could write more quickly - she's risking a Gabriel-like production >rate (that's Peter, not Jon) without the several big singles to sustain >it, and like Peter, it seems each album is getting weaker in the >songwriting department. (Okay, with Gabriel that started only when he >started giving real titles to his CDs: everything just called "Peter >Gabriel" is just fine - including the not-really-titled "Security") I don't think the problem is that Liz doesn't write quickly enough; it seems to have more to do with her recording process. Back in the day, when she was working exclusively with Brad Wood, the whole objective seemed to be to get in and out of the studio as quickly as possible, and to finish the record in a concentrated burst of energy. For example, the bulk of _Whip-Smart_ was recorded during a nine day session in the Bahamas. Now that Liz has a higher recording budget, she seems to take as much time as she feels she needs to complete an album. For _whitechocolatespaceegg_, she recorded a total of 36 different songs (and usually multiple versions of each song) with a few different producers. The first sessions with Scott Litt took place in early '96 and she ended up finishing the record in January '98 with Brad Wood. She seems to be taking the same approach this time around. Reportedly, she's going to go into the studio for a final set of sessions within the next month or so, with either Brad Wood or Michael Penn producing. She's been writing and recording parts of the album for the past two years and apparently already has 35 songs in contention for the final cut. Rather than come up with 14 or 16 songs and get into the studio right away like in the old days, she seems to now write two or three albums' worth of stuff, records it all, then narrows it down from there to what will make the official release. I can understand why one might feel that Liz's songwriting is getting weaker, based on what did end up on the last record. She's still writing some really brilliant material, but a lot of the songs that I felt were more distinctive were left off of _whitechocolatespaceegg_ in favor of more accessible or generic ones. I would have loved for songs like "Blood Keeper," "Bars of the Bed," "Freak of Nature" and "White Bird of Texas" to have made the cut, instead of things like "Girls' Room" and "Baby Got Going." Not that I really dislike any of the songs on the official release, but there were some better ones. Also, I find my attention span usually wavers after "What Makes You Happy" ends; the record loses a lot of steam ending with three slower tracks (four on the Japanese version, which adds "Hurricane Cindy"). The newer songs that she's performed live and that may end up on the next album (supposedly due for release later this year, but I'm not holding my breath) seem fairly promising. "Love/Hate Transmission" would probably be Liz's best shot at a hit since "Supernova," if only it wasn't about her "masturbating when [she] was young," as she told Alternative Press. A lot of people didn't seem to pick up on the subject matter of Elastica's "Stutter," so they may not notice that Liz wrote pretty much the same thing about her husband in "Don't Apologize." "Firewalker" feels like the most _WCSE_-ish of all the songs and the lyrics are a little cliched ("I can grow, despite all you know. You might not recognize me tomorrow"), but it has a nice break in the middle. My favorite of them all is "Conversation Overheard Between Two Bouncers," which Liz played when I saw her in Chicago at Lounge Ax in March '99. There were a number of us there from the Liz list and we were all stunned when we heard it; the consensus after the show is that it reminded us all of some of the darker Girly Sound material. Quite a while ago (late '99?), Liz also posted some lyrics to the mailing list for a song called "My Mistake," which seemed interesting enough. No idea what the music is like, though, as she hasn't performed it live at any point yet. The new album is supposed to consist of "radio-friendly pop to experimental rock with nontraditional arrangements," whatever that may mean. Also, Liz has separated from her husband (well, separated according to Spin magazine; I've heard from other sources that the divorce is already a done deal), which will likely end up coloring the overall tone of the record -- Liz's writing usually seems to reflect where she's at in her life at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason why the new album is taking so long has to do with her marital troubles -- her attention likely hasn't been all that focused on getting the record finished and out. Anyone want to place bets on when it'll be released? I'm predicting February 2002. Cheers, Jase ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #64 ******************************