From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #53 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, April 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] actual Scott content! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Can't help it [Richard Gagnon ] Re: [loud-fans] where did I put those matches... (ns) [MarkWStaples@aol.c] Re: [loud-fans] dot com killed the garbage ban tar [Cardinal007@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] say what??? [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] where did I put those matches... (ns) [MarkWStaples@aol.c] Re: [loud-fans] where did I put those matches... (ns) [Carolyn Dorsey ] Re: [loud-fans] say what??? ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] Can't help it [jenny grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:26:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] actual Scott content! So...was there any footage of Scott on tonight's Fox special, "Caught on Tape: America's Worst Drivers"? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb:: __Batman__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:51:06 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] say what??? In a message dated 4/26/01 11:12:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dmw@radix.net writes: << np The Swimming Pool Q's THE DEEP END reissue please explain this inflammatory and provocative comment immediately. thanks. -- tattoo vampire >> It is a remastered reissue with many extra tracks and a thick booklet full of info. It came out Tuesday, and I just happened upon it by noticing the cover on a new releases rack. I always liked them live in my fake ID days (plus I think Anne Richmond Boston has a remarkable voice...not to mention being somewhat attractive, not that I'm superficial or anything). I think the Q's were the first group after the Fans out of Atlanta in that time period anyone paid attention to with any seriousness. It was all about Athens and the Method Actors, Pylon, the Side Effects, etc., which is kind of unfair since most of those acts were on the same label. If current Atlanta bands like Seely (I believe they are still together) and The Tender Idols moved an hour up the road, they might be bigger. Maybe the Q's should've rented a PO box in Athens...might've changed their whole career (I'm halfway serious). - -Mark, one of the two dozen people who bought ARB's solo album THE BIG HOUSE OF TIME...she predated the "Lilith" (sorry, but I couldn't think of what else to call it) movement too many years for any much deserved recognition IMO...women were really discriminated against in music for quite a long time ps There was an article in the Sunday paper about Michael Stipe throwing a fit over speed bumps placed on Hill Street in Athens, where he owns and rents out a house. He nailed a protest sign to the side of the house which reads "stupid and unfair" or something along those lines. Neighbors were reported as being baffled by the normally "good" neighbor's behavior ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:58:31 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] say what??? In a message dated 4/26/01 12:14:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mbowen@samoyedsoft.com writes: << I agree wholeheartedly. If Mark persists in making comments like these, which are clearly meant to startle unwary southern-pop fans, he should clarify himself immediately, giving the necessary web citations and ordering information. MB >> It is a DB Records release, and you can go to www.swimmingpoolqs.com. Hope this helps...buy it and support longsuffering Jeff Calder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:02:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] in this week's "War Against Silence" glenn comes up with one of the more brilliant ideas I've ever heard: - --- And if the filmmakers had real guts, they would have let Rachael Leigh Cook, Rosario Dawson and Tara Reid learn to play their instruments and write a song or two of their own, and let the movie end with the entire Wizard of Oz apparatus collapsing and three actual girls, preferably (and probably) scared out of their wits, attempting to entertain an arena full of expectant pop-sheep with something tiny, helpless and half-formed. (from http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0326.html) - --- Too bad this doesn't happen... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism:: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:03:24 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] where did I put those matches... (ns) In a message dated 4/26/01 1:41:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jontv@ksu.edu writes: << Is Puncture still around? I've never subscribed, myself, but I used to borrow it from a friend once in a while, and thought it was pretty good. >> Added to my list. Thanks. M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:07:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] say what??? On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: > ps There was an article in the Sunday paper about Michael Stipe throwing a > fit over speed bumps placed on Hill Street in Athens, where he owns and rents > out a house. He nailed a protest sign to the side of the house which reads > "stupid and unfair" or something along those lines. Neighbors were reported > as being baffled by the normally "good" neighbor's behavior It seems obvious to me that R.E.M. are trying to pump the sales of the new album (out mid-May) by giving their image a bit more "edge" - they're bad boys now. What with Peter Buck getting drunk 'n' obnoxious on a transatlantic flight and now Stipey posting old Psychedelic Furs lyrics on his house, next thing you know Mike Mills will be arrested for firing a gun in the middle of the road and tearing up a picture of the Dalai Lama. At least he's not posing naked with firecrackers... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I can bellow like a clown school drill instructor:: __Brian Block__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:13:58 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] say what??? In a message dated 4/26/01 2:11:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tim_Walters@digidesign.com writes: << a 1985 DB release, at a friend's house recently. I quite liked it. It turns out that they were an early incarnation of the Reivers, of whom I know nothing. Does anyone have a strong opinion as to the best entry point into their oeuvre? >> I liked one called SATURDAY (?). Probably their most pop album, which is why it came to mind first for me, but it has been quite a few years since I listened to them to give you a fair assessment. I think my Reivers discs survived my great 1999 house cleaning...I sort of regret it now...I went through this "get rid of all stuff you don't use/don't listen to and sell for cash or give to Salvation Army" phase...what the hell was I thinking??? M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:18:51 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Tattoo You! Jen wrote: >i like that. tattoo is kind of an ugly sounding word, but ink sounds >artistic or literary. Sadly, over here in Quebec (you think the English language is getting mangled?), due to general ignorance, we've lost the french word for "Armadillo", which is "tatou". The french word for "Tattoo" is "tatouage", but, apathy and lack of education being what they are... On a lighter note, I was once asked by an art director to draw "something like a tatou", so I gave her a lovely drawing of an Armadillo. They liked it, too. ;) Personally, there's no way in hell I'll ever get tattooed, but if someone asked me to design one for them, I would. Especially if they wanted an armadillo tattooed on them, of course. Rick - -- + Le paysage avait la milancolie des choses inachevies ; **** Marcel Brion, "Les escales de la Haute Nuit" **** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:20:46 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Can't help it Jen wrote: >ouch. i guess the word 'tat' for me, until fairly recently, meant to >hand-make a particular kind of lace. i picked up 'tat' from my friends >who have tattoos. it's just shorthand slang. And boy, is shorthand ever needed on a two-syllable word! ;) Rick - -- + Le paysage avait la milancolie des choses inachevies ; **** Marcel Brion, "Les escales de la Haute Nuit" **** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:19:34 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] where did I put those matches... (ns) In a message dated 4/26/01 4:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com writes: << hmm... off the top of my head, there's The Big Takeover - punk and indie"pop", high quality writing Lollipop - has been covering quite a bit of metal lately, but still gets in depth w/ poppy stuff, punk, emo, etc. Hit List - primarily punk oriented, but excellent writing, regardless of topic Your Flesh - tends towards noise rock and avant-jazz, w/ plenty of other indie stuff as well CMJ - usually worth it for the CD alone British rags Select and Mojo are quite good also, though their focus is mainstream commercial, not "zine" rooted & indie-undergroundy, but as a U.S. dweller, I find the British market's concept of "mainstream" to be refreshingly different from the "lowest-common-denominator-or-die" bit that prevails here. >> Thankyou Dennis. I'll add them to my list to check into. The list is growing... M, who may only find about half of these in my area available off the rack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:20:06 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dot com killed the garbage ban tar In a message dated 4/26/01 6:42:54 PM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: >I fail to see how offering an opinion is "wish[ing] to impose" anything I thought I'd tied all the pieces together to show that anything *but* the market would impose another's scheme or idea at the expense of the individual. But I seem to have failed; c'est la vie! > nor is attempting to persuade others of the justness of an opinion an attempt or wish to impose anything. Agreed! Persuading them would, though, lead *them* to exercise their will -- in that pesky old market. Housing is too important to be left to the market and insulated from good ideas. I think we're closer to agreement than my rhetoric indicates. >But I think your faith in "the people" to put their will into effect is misplaced - not because I don't trust "the people," but because a two-party, winner-take-all system cannot reflect such will. Anytime the social compact agrees to a system of majority rule, individual exercise of free will is potentially hindered. But casting a vote is not the limit of individual action. Indeed, you *shouldn't* trust the people; you should assume you're right, and they're silly. To effect a change, as you have indicated, requires persuasion -- convince others that you're right, and they're wrong, and persuade them to join you. I think people vastly underrate their ability to affect the decisions of government. Government is overresponsive, not under. Defeating local developers, who deal daily with the govt. building folks and traffic folks, and school system folks, and county planning commissions, and who deal routinely with Boards of Supervisors or aldermen, is incredibly tough. But the govt. still listens. U.S. senators and representatives will drag an agency to a halt on significant actions on the basis of one constituent complaint letter. And, of course, they're overly responsive -- they promise, and want to provide, a significant tax cut that "we" want, and they promise, and want to provide more services that "we" definitely want. Um, I would mention that the two-party system can be changed by the people ... the relexive "aw, man, no way" [you do speak that way at home, right? I just grunt and drool] is actually wrong. Obstacles aplenty, but doable. > All I know is, very few people bother to vote in this, a country that calls itself the home of freedom and the pinnacle of democracy. I can't fathom the logical underpinnings of "I can't do anything about it, so I won't vote." Or "I hate the government; no way I'd vote on it." my windbag is empty. Scott content: Nude photos of Scott Miller cam be found at iamsofullofshitican'tbelieveit.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:27:30 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] say what??? In a message dated 4/26/01 11:25:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MarkWStaples@aol.com writes: > IMO...women were really discriminated against in music for quite a long time > > They still are. Look what happened at Woodstock 99. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:40:54 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] where did I put those matches... (ns) In a message dated 4/26/01 7:29:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: << and certain tattoos suggest a startling inability to imagine oneself changing in the future - which I would connect to a surfeit of "presentism" generally. >> I agree with you. How many of us are the same people we were at 18? I know I was a heck of a lot better looking then, but a lot more stupid and naive than I am now. I used to listen to Adam Ant and wear funny hairstyles as a teenager. I'm certainly glad I didn't get Adam Ant tatooed on my arm (it would've been over my mother's dead body). Like I mentioned before, I plan on getting a small inconspicuous one next year (maybe this year...I'm looking into a teaching job in Atlanta for the fall...so I'll have money for such things) and I may get my ear pierced as well, but this may hurt me in the long run, because I live in a conservative area of the nation, and I'd like to get a good job and not be passed up because of this (some people are weird about stuff like that..."The large bearded man with the earring is not teaching MY child") Believe me, I don't wanna live back at home forever...and I'm willing to kiss a little mainstream butt to get me outta here. My only complaint is that it pains me to see tatoos and piercings taken to excess, but, what I think is excess is relative, and it is a free country, and I'll defend the right of anyone to do with their body what they will. It just pains me to look at it...seriously. - -Mark who has responded to lots of posts tonight...sorry, there were just so many I wanted to respond to...sorry for the overkill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:01:54 -0700 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] where did I put those matches... (ns) on 4/26/01 3:53 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey at jenor@csd.uwm.edu wrote: > > --Jeff, who - in addition to hipster real estate - is also investing in > tattoo removal technologies. Our slogan: "Erase the Nineties." > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n My doctor told me the first most common form of plastic surgery is rhinoplasty and the second is tattoo removal. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:21:40 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] say what??? >It seems obvious to me that R.E.M. are trying to pump the sales of the new >album (out mid-May) by giving their image a bit more "edge" - they're bad >boys now. What with Peter Buck getting drunk 'n' obnoxious on a >transatlantic flight and now Stipey posting old Psychedelic Furs lyrics on >his house Buck, though, further muddied these waters, to borrow the moniker of a legendary bluesman, by apologizing when all was said, done, and safely on the ground. Will Joey Waronker start spreading foot-and-mouth disease? Andy This is the worst album I've ever heard. Not because it's more than 137 minutes long -- it was the worst album I'd ever heard after 10 minutes. It begins with thick waves of insensate cheering (track by track, you can hear the engineer pushing the volume up at the end of every number) -- and then, out of the maelstrom, comes this pathetic, strangled, self-pitying, self-righteous, melisma-crazy bleat, the voice of a sensitive man alone in a world where, as he puts it, "I'm not as afraid of dying/As I am of getting old." It's an unsingable couplet, with that first "as" dissolving the first syllable of "afraid," but who needs rhythm when your heart's in the right place, when you're against pollution and stuff like that? How low can you go when what you really want is to be the new Richie Havens? This record proves that no one knows, but I'll bet Ben Harper wouldn't have dared do "Sexual Healing" if Marvin Gaye were still alive. [--Greil Marcus on Ben Harper's LIVE FROM MARS, from http://www.salon.com/ent/col/marc/2001/04/18/marcus43/index.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:37:00 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] say what??? > -Mark, one of the two dozen people who bought ARB's solo album THE BIG HOUSE > OF TIME... Oh, I bet there were at least 40 of us. It's not a bad album at all, but she and the Q's were never as transcendent, apart, as they were together. The half of _Blue Tomorrow_ that she sings is just splendid. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:46:22 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Can't help it Richard Gagnon wrote: > And boy, is shorthand ever needed on a two-syllable word! ;) well, it's easier to explain that one than why people call coffee "joe". ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #53 ******************************