From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #47 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, April 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Sings of Impending Apocalypse No. 5,373 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Je] [loud-fans] loop pool [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] LF website mention in ICE [angela_and_ian@forestrd.ftech.] [loud-fans] Interiors [MarkWStaples@aol.com] [loud-fans] Re: Interiors [MarkWStaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Sings of Impending Apocalypse No. 5,373 [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Sings of Impending Apocalypse No. 5,373 [MarkWStaples@aol] Re: [loud-fans] Sings of Impending Apocalypse No. 5,373 [Elizabeth Setler] Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Re: demographic fun [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] Tape Review: Jon Gabriel's 'Rhythm Is Gonna Get You.' [Steve] Re: [loud-fans] Tape Review: Jon Gabriel's 'Rhythm Is Gonna Get You.' [s] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:38:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Sings of Impending Apocalypse No. 5,373 Rose and I were watching TV the other night, and a PSA comes on including instructions for...how to wash your hands. That's right: someone somewhere feels that the youth of America need *instructions* on how to wash their hands. Sheesh. (Great idea for new PA, though: how to walk, with Laurie Anderson's "Walking and Falling" as soundtrack...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach":: __William Gass__ np: Jetenderpaul _The Modal Lines_ ps: Yes, that was supposed to be "signs" - but I typed "sings" accidentally and liked the way it looks - like one of those album titles from the '60s, "So-and-So Sings Tunes from OKLAHOMA!" etc. And which artist would put out the putative album of the subject line? My nomination..."Leonard Cohen Sings of Impending Apocalypse...out now, on Columbia Records and Tapes!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:54:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] loop pool Okay, after I sent off that message re apocalypse, it occurred to me that I'd done it before (sent off msg. w/similar subj. line, including numbering said sign). So I searched the archives...and scared myself (Aaron, that's Thomas Dolby covering Dan Hicks - but you knew that...) Aside from naming an apparently earlier sign of the apocalypse about 18 months later, that impending sign (the publication of a book of "poetry" by T-Boz of TLC) led to the following threads: - --ref. to geographical distribution of mayo brands - --which led to (yes!) debate on soda/pop/coke (And it was Tim Victor who brought it up...) - --a Ramones reference. Dana is right: the list is on an 18-month loop. Oh yes: it's "dinner" here, although Rose stumps for "supper" in Mayville, WI (an hour northwest: her home town). Okay...what's the deal with "King Dons"/"Ding Dongs"...? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:57:17 +0100 From: angela_and_ian@forestrd.ftech.co.uk (Angela Bennett & Ian Runeckles) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] LF website mention in ICE Rog sez: >Just got the latest ICE Magazine today. From the Digital Dish column: > >"Reader Doug Clubock reminds us that Scott Miller's underappreciated act >the Loud Family offers a free MP3 monthly from its website, >LoudFamily.com. It's an easy way to hear a good band without leaving the >house." I downloaded the latest MP3 after-hours at work today which is a Steve Holtebeck recording of a solo Scott performance of Nico's "The Fairest of the Seasons" at the Starry Plough, Berkeley on, I think, 7/13/2000 - marvellous. I also sneaked a quick peek at the live show linked to on the website which you can watch on Real Audio which looks fun although a slightly odd experience as the frame rate on RA is obviously quite slow so it appears as if you're a bit drunk or something watching it. Ian np still the Tim Buckley anthology... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:06:24 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Interiors Since films (not movies) are often the topic of discussion on the list, I didn't think it inappropriate to bring up this one. I rented the DVD of it yesterday, and the medium is great in that it brings out subtleties of light and the beauty of the "interiors" that you would miss on VHS. I was born about a decade late to see this in the theater and appreciate it the way it is meant to be seen. I'm interested in what others thoughts are about this film. I enjoy the emotional intensity of Diane Keaton's performance, and I think that Maureen Stapleton and Sam Waterston are top notch as well, but I find it hard to empathize with the characters. From my socioeconomic station in life, no one except the mentally ill obsessive-compulsive mother have any real problems...no life threatening diseases or financial worries, so I find myself growing weary with the self-absorbed ruminations of the sisters rather quickly. It's like 90210 for the New Yorker magazine set. Not that this is anything unusual for Woody Allen, but it is his comedic genius that I enjoy, and there is no comic relief. Also, this movie predates Prozac by a decade, but weren't there MAO inhibitor anti-depressants in those days that could have helped the mother? What about lithium? Nowhere in the film do they mention her being treated with medication. If she is a threat to herself then I do not understand why she is allowed to live on her own. I know it's only fiction, but it just seems odd to me. M np Primal Scream SONIC FLOWER GROOVE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:19:56 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Interiors In a message dated 4/21/01 7:06:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark W Staples writes: << Also, this movie predates Prozac by a decade >> Oops. I used the "M" word. Sorry about that. lol - -Mark, saying "Can you please pass the jelly?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:30:52 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sings of Impending Apocalypse No. 5,373 Rose and I were watching TV the other night, and a PSA comes on including instructions for...how to wash your hands. That's right: someone somewhere feels that the youth of America need *instructions* on how to wash their hands. Sheesh. (Great idea for new PA, though: how to walk, with Laurie Anderson's "Walking and Falling" as soundtrack...) >>>>>>>>>> Ok, not to be all humorless about this, but the hospital where I work has to hold regular clinics on handwashing because people, in fact, don't do it correctly. Most people don't do it long enough or thoroughly enough. If you're healthy, of course, the only repercussion is that you probably get a few more colds, and since you won't connect that with your poor hygiene, you'll never change your behavior. But, if you're working around sick people, it suddenly becomes quite a bit more important. But, wouldn't it be nice to get colds less often? The easiest and cheapest way is to wash your hands correctly and refrain from touching your mouth, nose and eyes. Unfortunately, that's far less of a "sexy" solution than spending lots of $ on Echinacia/Goldenseal/Zinc/what-have-you. As for walking, just keep in mind that we're in the middle of an insurance/legislative fight based largely on the fact that people don't know how to sit correctly at work, and are consequently injuring themselves. It all sounds kind of stupid, but I think that that's more a function of our culture than anything else. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:42:56 -0400 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: Boston 60s Stewart sez: These records suggest that the best groups in Boston weren't the ones MGM snapped up. By general consensus, the MGM bands were in fact the WORST in Boston at the time, though I'd say Orpheus were pretty decent. The really great Boston bands from the era mostly have stuff in print-- the Lost (there's a comp CD on Arf-Arf), the Remains, and the Rockin' Ramrods. And Peter Wolf's original band the Hallucinations, though it's hard to find anything by them. And the Velvet Underground almost count, since they lived here for a spell. There is a double import CD out, 'Family Circle,' that condenses the best of the Bosstown stuff, My guess is that we were pretty much a wasteland before the Modern Lovers and Aerosmith came along. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:39:32 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sings of Impending Apocalypse No. 5,373 In a message dated 4/21/01 2:42:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: << Sheesh. (Great idea for new PA, though: how to walk, with Laurie Anderson's "Walking and Falling" as soundtrack...) >> How odd it seems for me that this song would be mentioned here. Just the other week one of my professors in a Health and P.E. for Elementary School course I'm taking asked some students in the class to describe how one walks, and no one called upon could give an accurate explanation, and of course, that song was running through my head, so when he said that people actually fall for a split second when they walk I cracked a smile, because I was hearing Laurie in my head. Language is a virus, M np Of Montreal THE EARLY FOUR TRACK RECORDINGS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:23:27 +0800 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sings of Impending Apocalypse No. 5,373 At 1:38 AM -0500 4/21/01, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Rose and I were watching TV the other night, and a PSA comes on including >instructions for...how to wash your hands. That's right: someone somewhere >feels that the youth of America need *instructions* on how to wash their >hands. Actually, considering the percentage of my apparently otherwise intelligent female co-workers I saw sailing out of the ladies' room without even glancing at the sinks, and the constant barrage of colds and flus we were subjected to in that building, I think that is an excellent idea. However, I did see a PSA last week that gave me pause. Some TV actress was explaining that in order to stay in touch with your friends, all you have to do is make a phone call or have lunch together. Great... Basic Human Relationships 101. Thanks! By the way, many, many thanks to all who helped out with my CD cover question. I finally worked it out using Fireworks. But I've now amassed quite a bit of useful information on the topic, so if anyone else has the same problem, feel free to email me for a summary! - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:54:59 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) >Wicked : The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West >by Gregory Maguire, and beautifully illustrated by Douglas Smith > >really wonderfulr read, very interesting ideas. Yes, I read half of this last summer, and look forward to reading the other half this summer. Maguire has another book with a similar approach, CONFESSIONS OF AN UGLY STEPSISTER, where he tackles the Cinderella story. Gotta finish AMERICAN TERRORIST first though, Andy "Every day that passes brings us closer to the world envisioned in grade-B science fiction films from the '50s." - --Paul H. Henry on http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24800-2001Apr16.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:04:00 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Re: demographic fun (Apologies for the late entry, but I was out of town.) At 02:06 PM 4/14/01 -0700, Holly Kruse wrote: >It does raise the question of whether Pop Belters are an >identifiable demographic group. And if so, will we find >them as a Prizm category? For scary fun with marketers' >visions of you and your neighbors, take a look at >http://www.delluke.claritas.com:80/YAWYL and enter your >zip code. Let's see, enter 87106 and I get half a dozen possibilities, the closest to my own personal circumstances being: 23 Upstarts & Seniors Middle-Income Empty Nesters Age group: 25-54, 65+ White-Collar Household income: 35600 1.35% of U.S. households belong to this PRIZM Cluster. Sounds about right, but what they have to say about me is: This PRIZM Cluster is most likely to... Buy a new Saturn (nope) Ride motorcycles (nope) Own a Saturn (you mean other than the new one I just bought?) Watch Nightline (don't think I've ever seen a single full episode, though I did recently read on Jim Romenesko's site that Koppell told a guest on the air, "That's a bullshit answer and we both know it," a statement any person who interviews people for a living has to applaud) Read Vanity Fair (once for a British Lit class, but I prefer Austen) This must explain the weird junk mail I'm always getting, like the weekly flyers from Sears wanting to sell me vinyl siding for my home. You would think that the "Apartment 22" at the end of my address line would be a tip-off that they could save the postage... Actual musical content: Paula Frazer's new INDOOR UNIVERSE (on Birdman) should appeal to anyone who dug the Lisa Germano/Giant Sand collaboration and/or remembers Frazer's old 4AD band, Tarnation. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:13:36 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Tape Review: Jon Gabriel's 'Rhythm Is Gonna Get You.' Here's a review of the swap tape Jon G. sent me a while back, which looks to be the same tape that Mr. Robbins reviewed last weekend, so I decided to wait a few days before posting my review, to save him from sensory overload.. Here goes. Side One > Macha Loved Bedhead - You And New Plastic I'm hearing quite a bit of Joy Division/New Order influence on this song, right down to the title, which sounds like a long lost Ian Curtis song. > Broadcast - Come On Let's Go Not the song by the late Ricardo Valenzuela, this is pleasant enough, but reminds me of another song I don't remember that I like a lot more. > Stereolab - Household Names The other song might be by Stereolab, who I lost touch with a few years back. This is a tough song for me to get, to be honest, if you close off your mind relax and float downstream.. > To Rococo Rot - She Loves Animals Another electro-techno track that does go on a bit, but the recurring keyboard lick keeps reminding me of "In Bloom" by Nirvana, which is enough to keep me interested. > Komeda - Frolic For whatever reason, I don't find myself listening to many those Swedish pop CDs I thought was the kittycat's PJs a few years ago, but after hearing "Frolic" here, I blew the dust off The Genius of Komeda, and I'm back on the Volvopop bandwagon again.. This is such a great song! (side note: I was first exposed to Komeda on a tape on the first-ever loud-swap in 1997...by one Jon Gabriel! What an ongoing tangled web we weave through these swaps) > Optiganally Yours - The Outer Space I liked the Optiganally track on the Powerpuff Girls soundtrack, and this is nice too, so I've wanted to check out an entire album, but I'm not sure they can transcend the gimmick aspect in the LP format. > Fine China - We Rock Harder Than You Ever Knew This one reminded me quite a bit of Sparks, especially in those emansculated Maelesque vocals. > Of Montreal - The Problem With April Any song that names the months, the seasons, and the days of the week, just has to be good. I saw Of Montreal live once, and the lead singer had a ridiculous fake fu-manchu painted above his lip, so I won't be able take that band even remotely seriously for awhile! > Thingy - Ob1 This is a short Star Wars piece ("help me Ob1") by the same Thingy from side two, but it could also be by Of Montreal. > For Against - You Only Live Twice I was hoping for the Nancy Sinatra song from the James Bond movie of the same name, which this unfortunately isn't, but almost could be, if that song were covered by Echo and the Bunnymen or the Chills. > Half String - Eclipse Half String are in the same boat as For Against, a very "British" sounding American band. I looked them up on the web, thinking they were British, turns out they're from Jon's home state of Arizona. I would've never guessed that! Very shoegazery and Bloody Valentinelike. > Swervedriver - Duel Swervedriver really is a British band, and this is one of their earlier songs that I remember seeing on 120mins, back when MTV used to play videos. I have their most recent album (on Zero Hour), but the earlier ones seem a lot harder to track down (at least for $1.99 or less).. > Starflyer 69 - Play The 'C' Chord [live] > Starflyer 69 - Blue Collar Love [Joy Electric dub] End of side one leading to start of side two. I've listened to Jon's tape a bunch of times, and it's hard to get all this drony wall-of-noise stuff straight, even though I enjoy most of it while listening to it. > Magnetic Fields - I Don't Want To Get Over You > Jupiter Affect - Drusilla, I Dig Your Scene > The Negro Problem - The Rain In Leimert Park > Robert Pollard - Pop Zeus This review is getting long and pointless, so I'll just say that these are all songs I know and love and have put on mixes of my own in the recent past, and it's always nice to see them on other people's tapes, which happens to me quite a bit during loud-swaps because my list "similarity" index is so damn high! > Stephen Malkmus - Jo Jo's Jacket Still haven't picked up the Malkmus solo album, and was wondering how it differs from the last couple of Pavement albums, which judging from this track, not much. Still, I like this song, and as soon as the album crops up in a used bin, I'm there! > Wrens - Fire, Fire Loud and rocking and short.. I like this one. > Badly Drawn Boy - Everybody's Stalking Clever use of a Springsteen quote ("strap your hands across my engines") in a track that's otherwise pleasant but kind of unmemorable for me. > Yazbek - No More First I've heard of Yazbek. Kind of reminds me of Neil Finn or Andy Partridge in full-on Britpop/powerpop mode. Really cool. > Belle And Sebastian - The Model As I stated previously, this song is a complete Left Banke ripoff ("She May Call You Up Tonight" crossed with "I've Got Something on My Mind"), which doesn't mean I don't like it! Originality is overrated anyway. > Antonio Carlos Jobin - Aguas De Marco Bossa nova samba stuff. Not understanding a single word of Portugese, I don't know what they're singing about at all (waters of March?), but it sure sounds enticing! > Carlos Vives - La Hamaca Grande Which translates to "the great hammock". I do understand a few words of Spanish, but don't know what Carlos is singing about either, perhaps una oda to tiempo por siesta, but it's too uptempo for that. > Thingy - Mayday The same band who did "OB1" way back on side one. This is more vibrant and energetic than that tune; isn't energetic an anagram of "it generic"? > Macha Loved Bedhead - Believe Jon warned me of a cover of "dubious distinction", and I was wondering where that could be until the very end of the tape when this tune came up. It's that bombastic "do YOU BEELEIEEVE in LOVE?" Cher hit reduced to a lo-fi bedroom version played on touchtone phone. Hard to believe this is the same band from "You And New Plastic"l maybe this is by Macha and that's by Bedhead, or vise versa. Anyhow, many thanks to Jon for the tape. captured by the rhythm, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:41:02 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape Review: Jon Gabriel's 'Rhythm Is Gonna Get You.' >> Yazbek - No More On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 10:13 PM, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > First I've heard of Yazbek. Kind of reminds me of Neil Finn or Andy > Partridge in full-on Britpop/powerpop mode. Really cool. Yazbek is a pal of Mr. P, and put together the XTC tribute album. He's put out two solo albums, but his latest thing is the music/songs (not sure of the exact extent) for the stage version of "The Full Monty". - - Steve __________ Is this thing on? Sent via OS X Mail. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #47 ******************************