From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #42 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, April 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 042 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] unexpected eno appearance(ns) [Jo Brown ] Re: [loud-fans] unexpected eno appearance(ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] a good one...and otherwise ["Andrew Hamlin" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] unexpected eno appearance(ns) The Walkabouts are pretty well known in their hometown, Seattle, and in Europe, where they do most of their touring. They only play here about once or twice a year, usually at the Crocodile, and they generally pack the place. Their sound is usually described as folk-rock/pop/grunge depending on who's doing the describing. They've been together in various incarnations since about 1985, and have released about a dozen or so albums. The comparison to Game Theory surprised me at first, but on second thought I guess some of the guitar sounds aren't dissimilar. Late Train to Mercy is a gorgeous song, and extremely typical of most of Eckman's writing. While I appreciated the contribution Eno made to that song, it is definitely complementary and blends wonderfully, I've never thought of it being "his" sound. Funny how familiarity works. I'm a huge Walkabouts fan, as is my fellow loud-lurker Lorrie Smith. Nicer folks are hard to find. Here's a link to more about the band: http://www.thewalkabouts.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: Dana L Paoli [SMTP:dana-boy@juno.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 4:30 PM To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: [loud-fans] unexpected eno appearance(ns) Just found a CD (on Sub Pop, '91) by a band called the Walkabouts entitled "Scavenger." I wonder if this is well known...I'd never heard of them before. I picked it up because it was cheap, and because it listed Brian Eno as playing keyboards and back up vocals on one song. Natalie Merchant also makes a guest appearance, which isn't a big deal to me, but that was probably another factor. The price ($1.99) didn't hurt either. There's not much to say about the first nine songs (which are eno free). They seem like competent indie rock, and occasionally remind me slightly of Game Theory doing one of their non-Scott detours into competent mediocrity. The tenth, however, is where eno steps in, and boy does it make a difference. Sounding sort of like what I expected the Cale/Eno collaboration to be, it's a slowly building almost-spiritual (chorus: there's a late train to Mercy but I hope it never comes, there's a late train to Mercy...) that winds up in an extended On-Some-Faraway-Beach-y ending that goes on, very nicely, for about four or five minutes with string quartet and keyboards pulsing and ebbing. What's especially odd is that eno didn't write or sing the song, but his stamp is unmistakeable. I can't think of many people who can do that while just playing keyboards (ok, he sings backup too, but you'd never know it was him). I guess I'm posting about this because it was so unexpected. I wonder how many other indie-rock albums contain odd cameo's like this. And I really wonder how the hell these people hooked up with eno. They don't seem to have much to do with the kind of stuff that interests him. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:57:54 -0700 From: Holly Kruse Subject: [loud-fans] Re: The "Pop Belt" Throwing in my final contribution/obfuscation: I spent most of the 1990s in the Northeast, with two years in northern Virginia and about half a decade in the city of Philadelphia, and never in that region, nor in my travels up and down the NJ Turnpike or across the Atlantic City Expressway for dog shows and dog agility trials, did I hear anyone refer to a cola as "pop". Those were definitely sites where references to cold drinks, usually over-priced from a concession stand, were often made. It was all "soda". As an Iowan who had been converted to the soda way of thinking by my Manhattan-native significant other, this didn't strike me as odd. After moving back to Louisville, where I had briefly lived as I worked my way out of the Midwest, the two friends of mine I've heard referred to cola as "pop" lately are both from greater Chicagoland: one from Oak Park, one from the hinterlands of Rockford (which was apparently soda- land for Rog.) I recall that my Villa Park-raised father also seemed quite as ease with the term "pop." There seems to be some real confusion here. To me, it was clear in Philly and places within 1-2 hours of Philly that cola was soda. It was the exact nature of "water ice" that was confusing to me. The cheese steaks, the big pretzels, and the hoagies were all much easier to comprehend. I think the last time this discussion came up on loud- fans, it was at about this point that I tried to divert it into a discussion of whether the people of Wisconsin actually refer to water fountains as "bubblers," as was always rumored to be the case and was the source of much humor in eastern Iowa. Jeff confirmed that this was indeed true, and the discussion ended. What does Scott call soda/cola/coke? This is perhaps the pressing question that I or someone else should have taken the opportunity to ask him. Maybe before this thread comes up again, we could find out, and thus even be sort of on-topic the next time! Holly Kruse hkruse@infi.net (in Louisville, where the residents are unlikely to rename the city Popcoda, since they seem pretty happy with its current name, Lou-uh-vul.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:28:23 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] unexpected eno appearance(ns) I have a handful of Walkabouts albums (including SCAVENGER), and I think they're quite a bit better than "competent mediocrity", and don't think it's at all strange that they'd work with Brian Eno, or he'd work with them, so I'd never even thought of it before.. >>>>>>> Thanks Steve and Jo for the Walkabouts info. I guess that I was surprised because I don't think of Eno as someone who works with folk-rock/pop/grunge bands. That could be due to ignorance on my part. Oh, about "competent mediocrity": I was describing Game Theory (IMHO!!) doing non-Scott songs. I called the Walkabouts "competent" which isn't a bad thing at all in my book. - --dana "Come on! Come on!" he was saying, holding up his fists like a boxer. "I'm thinking Hugh Grant. I'm thinking Elizabeth Hurley. I'm thinking how come two months on they're still together. I'm thinking how come he gets away with it. That's it! How does a man with a girlfriend who looks like Elizabeth Hurley have a blow job from a prostitute on a public highway and get away with it? What happened to hell hath no fury" I couldn't believe this. What about the Shadow Cabinet? What about the Peace Process? He was obviously trying to work out how he could get away with sleeping with a prostitute himself. Suddenly, he was looking straight at me. "How does a man with a beautiful girlfriend manage to sleep with a prostitute, get found out and get away with it?" I panicked. My mind went blank. "Well?" he said. "Well? Come on, say something!" "Well, maybe," I said, because it was the only thing I could think of, "it was because somebody swallowed the evidence." - --From Bridget Jones's Diary, the book. Can this possibly be in the movie?? Someone please tell me. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:50:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] a good one...and otherwise Next to that Pollard interview in Ink 19 was the following link: http://edit.ink19.com/news/stories/storyReader$701 - --which, you know, I wouldn't put past the record industry...but then I noticed the date it was posted. I picked up my sister and family from the airport the other day, which naturally got me thinking about the whole "bomb" thing with security. Everyone knows you don't mention them - everyone knows you don't even joke about them - but I'm wondering how meta you have to get to avoid being hassled. Like: "Now Henry - don't tell that joke about the bomb." Or: "Yeah, a guy was arrested the other day for joking about bombs." Or: "Remember - don't mention the b-word...you know, the x-ing thing." There was a band I saw several years back called Unexploded Bomb - I keep imagining they must have had trouble transporting equipment marked with their name. Somebody set us up... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::does "anal retentive" have a hyphen?:: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:08:16 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: The "Pop Belt" At Monday 4/16/2001 10:57 PM -0700, Holly Kruse wrote: >After moving back to Louisville, where I had >briefly lived as I worked my way out of the Midwest, the two >friends of mine I've heard referred to cola as "pop" lately >are both from greater Chicagoland: one from Oak Park, one >from the hinterlands of Rockford (which was apparently soda- >land for Rog.) I moved to Colorado in 1970, so maybe the "soda" thing in Rockford was a 60s thing. The first time I heard the word "pop" referring to soda, it was from a friend who had just gotten back from a trip out of town with his parents. He was trying to show off by offering me a instead of a soda and was making a big deal about how it was called "pop" everywhere else. Who knows, maybe he was responsible for starting a trend there in Rockford... >(in Louisville, where the residents are unlikely to rename >the city Popcoda, since they seem pretty happy with its >current name, Lou-uh-vul.) We have a Louisville in Colorado too (near Boulder), but it's pronounced "Lew-is-ville". I still have trouble with that one. Later. --Rog Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane "Not every candle burns" http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:48:48 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a good one...and otherwise >I picked up my sister and family from the airport the other day, which >naturally got me thinking about the whole "bomb" thing with security. >Everyone knows you don't mention them - everyone knows you don't even joke >about them - but I'm wondering how meta you have to get My brother tried a primitive meta-bomb experiment once. "Me not a terrorist! See, no gun under hat!" (Pulls on hat) He succeeded in embarrassing me to death. Move .sig, Andy "You don't have anything to lose in your car except your life." - --zkk46 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:50:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: The "Pop Belt" I figured there had to be something on the net on the great pop vs soda debate. Study the map well, and be your own Professor Henry Higgins! http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~almccon/pop_soda/ - --Michael, who's off to enjoy a soda-pop. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #42 ******************************