From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #34 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, April 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans]1983 LP by Game Theory on Rational Item#1422463044 [Dan Sa] RE: [loud-fans] Gilliam for HP? [=?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= ] Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) (A.I.) [Cardinal007@aol.com] [loud-fans] Dante's infernal?!? ["Phil Gerrard" ] Re: [loud-fans] Gilliamghast [Dan Schmidt ] Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) (A.I.) [MarkWStaples@aol.com] [loud-fans] Loud decor/Poptiques Roadshow [MarkWStaples@aol.com] RE: [loud-fans] "This summer, Martin Lawrence IS John Dortmunder!" [Stew] Re: [loud-fans] Dante's infernal?!? [mbowen@samoyedsoft.com] Re: [loud-fans] Dante PS [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] Dante's infernal?!? [Jer Fairall ] [loud-fans] Love SUVs? Read on! [Richard Gagnon ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.c] [loud-fans] Old Ramon, Isolation Drills ["glenn mcdonald" ] [loud-fans] Fw: they might be literati (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] MOTORCYCLES!, shakespeare, and Henry Rollins [jenny grove] Re: [loud-fans] "This summer, Martin Dortmunder IS John Lawrence!" ["Andr] Re: [loud-fans] "This summer, Nenah Cherry IS Toiling In Obscurity!" [Ste] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:10:32 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans]1983 LP by Game Theory on Rational Item#1422463044 > There is a copy of Lolita Nation on CD at Half.com for the measly sum of > $100. Its been there for a while. Also a copy of 2 Steps for $25.00. Miles of Music (www.milesofmusic.com) is selling copies of THE BIG SHOT CHRONICLES for $8.00. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:36:52 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Gilliam for HP? "R. Kevin Doyle" wrote: > R. Kevin (Who's wondering what hip American rap artist will perform the > Harry Potter theme) Potter Daddy, perhaps? - -Stef Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:44:58 +0100 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] "This summer, Martin Lawrence IS John Dortmunder!" Dan writes: > Did Gilliam try for the job, or is this just a hopeful comment? I know > that Gilliam has often expressed interest in the Gormenghast fantasy > series, so it wouldn't be unheard of for him to take a shot at > Harry Potter > (though personally I feel it's beneath him). The BBC (I think, perhaps Channel 4) completely buggered up Gormenghast last year here in the UK... Probably available on video, but I'd stick with the books. Some things are best left to work in the imagination alone. Also noticed Stewart's: >NP: KILL ME IN THE MORNING--Float Up CP ...who were, if I remember correctly, the remains of one of my favourite oddball early 80s bands, Rip Rig and Panic. Truly wonderful. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:32:37 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: [loud-fans] Gilliamghast Ian beat me to the punch with: > > Did Gilliam try for the job, or is this just a hopeful comment? I > > know that Gilliam has often expressed interest in the Gormenghast > > fantasy series, so it wouldn't be unheard of for him to take a shot > > at Harry Potter (though personally I feel it's beneath him). > > The BBC (I think, perhaps Channel 4) completely buggered up > Gormenghast last year here in the UK... Probably available on video, > but I'd stick with the books. Some things are best left to work in the > imagination alone. Yes, it was the BBC - and the critical and public reception to 'Gormenghast' in the UK was so extremely negative that I would imagine that it would scare anybody in the biz away from attempting to adapt it again in the near future. There *was* a BBC radio adaptation of 'Gormenghast' some time in the mid-1980s, and despite the regrettable casting of Sting as Steerpike, it worked far better than the TV adaptation did. Sometimes radio is by far the best medium for this kind of thing. The one TV Peake adaptation which is actually worth seeking out is UK Channel 4's version of 'Mr Pye', starring Derek Jacobi, which is rather wonderful in places. peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:21:06 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) (A.I.) In a message dated 4/11/01 1:27:45 AM, endxmit@yahoo.com writes: >As for Gremlins, you're mistaken; it >was directed by none other than Joe Dante, who went on to direct such >classics as Tom Hanks' "The 'Burbs" and the recent "Small Soldiers". Let's > >not forget "The Howling" either. I stand corrected. JOE DANTE must be the anti-Christ. ..... and isn't he responsible for "Joe v. the Volcano"? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:32:21 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: [loud-fans] Dante's infernal?!? > >As for Gremlins, you're mistaken; it > >was directed by none other than Joe Dante, who went on to direct such > > classics as Tom Hanks' "The 'Burbs" and the recent "Small Soldiers". > > Let's not forget "The Howling" either. > > I stand corrected. > > JOE DANTE must be the anti-Christ. Them's fighting words! Sorry, but I think Dante's work, on the whole, is a very welcome, and nicely cynical, antidote to yer regular Chris Columbus / Steven Spielberg 'family entertainment' mulch. He's got a slightly wicked Looney Tunes approach, plus a Corman-derived up-and-at-'em sense of exploitation, which sets him *way* ahead of that pack. Maybe I'm reading it too much into this, but I always thought that 'Gremlins' in particular was a smartly subversive riposte to 'ET'. peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:47:06 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: [loud-fans] Dante PS http://avclub.theonion.com/avclub3643/avfeature_3643.html Please note that I'm European, so my respect for Dante could be a classic case of Jerry Lewis Syndrome. phil ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 2001 09:28:30 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilliamghast "Phil Gerrard" writes: | There *was* a BBC radio adaptation of 'Gormenghast' some time in | the mid-1980s, and despite the regrettable casting of Sting as | Steerpike, it worked far better than the TV adaptation did. | Sometimes radio is by far the best medium for this kind of thing. There's also an opera by Can member Irmin Schmidt, which seems to be based on the first two books. In my opinion, Peake's descriptive text is more vivid than any visual realization of it could be. - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:30:31 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) (A.I.) In a message dated 4/10/01 9:24:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cardinal007@aol.com writes: << shoot me now. [hmmmm; I'm sure most of you want to.] >> Not me. You're the stout after dinner cigar after you've finished the vanilla ice cream with sprinkles (me...like I said, I do have a sense of humor about myself). You give balance to the Loud universe. I loves me some Cardinal. Maybe it wasn't your place to "out" Ronald (ever notice the Hamburgular is ALWAYS with him? Robble Robble Robble), but the American public needs to know how promiscuous he is, so they can use protection, or better yet, "just say 'no!,'" and steer clear of the golden arches altogether. M "McDonald's equals evil" (From Douglas Coupland's LIFE AFTER GOD) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:57:29 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Loud decor/Poptiques Roadshow I was thinking a fun thread would be for Loud-fans to talk about any interesting furniture, artwork you have. How you make your home says a lot about you (Ask Martha Stewart). Anybody have any Eames (sp?) furniture? (Can't afford it OR probably spell it right). Any pop art/art deco stuff? Framed rock posters? Original Lava Lamps? Cool stuff found at a thriftstore? What? IKEA ain't a four letter word, M np The Jam ALL MOD CONS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:11:39 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: RE: [loud-fans] "This summer, Martin Lawrence IS John Dortmunder!" At 07:44 AM 4/11/01 +0100, Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett wrote: >The BBC (I think, perhaps Channel 4) completely buggered up Gormenghast last >year here in the UK... Probably available on video, but I'd stick with the >books. Some things are best left to work in the imagination alone. As Dan mentioned, Irmin Schmidt wrote an opera based on the trilogy which was just released a few months back. Can't speak for the staging, but the disc is pretty terrific, setting Peake's words to a variety of alternately lovely and disturbing settings that sound less like Can and more like Schmidt's first musical menor, Karlheinz Stockhausen. >Also noticed Stewart's: > >>NP: KILL ME IN THE MORNING--Float Up CP > >...who were, if I remember correctly, the remains of one of my favourite >oddball early 80s bands, Rip Rig and Panic. Truly wonderful. Indeed they were, with lead vocals by a young and lovely Nenah Cherry. (Whatever happened to her, anyway?) I like RRP--any band who names themselves after a Roland Kirk tune is okay by me--but Float Up CP have them beat, I think. They're just as wide-ranging, but much less disjointed. The different styles seem to fit together better. Stewart NP: BECAUSE WE HATE YOU--The Young Fresh Fellows ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 2001 07:20:31 -0700 From: mbowen@samoyedsoft.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dante's infernal?!? On Wed, 11 April 2001, "Phil Gerrard" wrote: > Them's fighting words! Sorry, but I think Dante's work, on the > whole, is a very welcome, and nicely cynical, antidote to yer > regular Chris Columbus / Steven Spielberg 'family entertainment' > mulch. He's got a slightly wicked Looney Tunes approach, plus a > Corman-derived up-and-at-'em sense of exploitation, which sets > him *way* ahead of that pack. Maybe I'm reading it too much into > this, but I always thought that 'Gremlins' in particular was a smartly > subversive riposte to 'ET'. > And "Gremlins 2" was even funnier, nastier, and LoonyToonier! MB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:35:58 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dante PS > Please note that I'm European, so my respect for Dante could be a > classic case of Jerry Lewis Syndrome. No, Dante is fairly well respected in the U.S. too, at least among film buffs. By the way, he did not direct JOE VS. THE VOLCANO - that was John Patrick Shanley. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:04:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dante's infernal?!? > > JOE DANTE must be the anti-Christ. > > Them's fighting words! Sorry, but I think Dante's > work, on the whole, is a very welcome, and nicely > cynical, antidote to yer regular Chris Columbus / > Steven Spielberg 'family entertainment' mulch. Thank you, Phil! I have been a long time admirer of Dante's work. Yes, he's had his fair share of bombs (I agree, THE 'BURBS and SMALL SOLDIERS sucked) but I thought INNERSPACE and the GREMLINS films were much wittier than many of the other similar movies of the time (ie - THE GOONIES). He also directed the third, brilliant segment of the TWILIGHT ZONE movie (probably the only real reason to see it) and the sadly underrated 1993 60's monster movie nostalgia film MATINEE. My favorite work of Dante's, though, is the short-lived TV series EERIE, INDIANA a short-lived (1991-2) NBC series about a Jersey kid whose family moves him to a strange small town, a premise which I'm sure must've inspired many an early 90's TV critic to label the show as "TWIN PEAKS for kids." The best thing about the show is that the plots were often genuinely off-the-wall (a woman who forces her children to sleep in oversized tupperware containers to preserve them from aging; a kid whose metal retainer picks up the brain waves of the town's dogs, who are planning to overthrow the human population) and, like most of the rare genuinely fine family entertainments, it never talked down to it's audience. The show did develop a MY SO-CALLED LIFE-esque post-cancellation cult, which lead to a lame attempt to revive the show a few years back (as EERIE INDIANA: THE NEXT DIMENSION, with a different cast and no Dante) but has yet to be released on video or DVD, which I thought it would have been. Jer Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:16:42 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Love SUVs? Read on! Here's a little something from this month's Harper's Index: Gallons by which daily U.S. oil comsumption would drop if SUVs' average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg: 49,000,000 Gallons per day that the proposed drilling of Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is projected to yield: 42,000,000 Mmm, nice. Rick p.s. sources, since we like to know these things: the first is from The Sierra Club (Washington), and the second from The White House - -- "I don't need to be understood/Strange or familiar, it's all good" ***************** John Newlands, "Obvious Single" ***************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:17:56 -0400 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon JR sez: ...the original posting addressed the misguided notion that idiot glam-guys lack an understanding of sexuality--particularly their own. <><><><><><> I didn't say glam guys didn't understand their sexuality; I said that they didn't seem (mentally) reflective enough to imagine an "attractive" beyond what they were attracted to. In this context, 5 billion '80s LA glam bands, all of whom look like they want to be Playboy Playmates, implies a consistent, if heavily mediated, heterosexuality, which is exactly what that scene involved. I will 'fess up to patly avoiding mention of the history of glam transvestism and gender ambiguity, which prior to the '80s LA lite metal scene seemed more knowingly sexually ambiguous, and in the tradition of which, Poison and their schlock-ilk are, at least visually, rooted. But I wouldn't give more than a handful of those mousse-rocker guys (Nikki Sixx springs to mind, but noone else immediately) credit for much more than poorly thought out narcissism. mirror mirror on the wall, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:23:12 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Old Ramon, Isolation Drills OK, I'm now listening to what I suspect I'll end up saying is one of the year's more important albums: Red House Painters' _Old Ramon_, finally released on Sub Pop after several years of label limbo. If you like Mark Kozelek but didn't feel entirely satisfied by a whole solo album of languid AC/DC covers, you definitely want this. Also, I'll sign up as provisionally pro-_Isolation Drills_. I don't get any of the suggested fake-classic-rock vibe. It doesn't sound like the Who to me, it just sounds like GbV. If I end up still liking _Do the Collapse_ better, it will probably be because I thought Ocasek put some interesting pressure on Pollard, and on this one he's sort of left to his own instincts. glenn ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 2001 11:41:11 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Old Ramon, Isolation Drills "glenn mcdonald" writes: | Also, I'll sign up as provisionally pro-_Isolation Drills_. I don't | get any of the suggested fake-classic-rock vibe. It doesn't sound | like the Who to me, it just sounds like GbV. If I end up still | liking _Do the Collapse_ better, it will probably be because I | thought Ocasek put some interesting pressure on Pollard, and on this | one he's sort of left to his own instincts. I like ISOLATION DRILLS a lot too. Interestingly, this is the first time that the REM and Who comparisons really made sense to me - "Fair Touching" sounds straight from MURMUR, and "Skills Like This" would fit perfectly on TOMMY, especially that double-plagal out-of-nowhere break. The other touchstone I hear is Led Zeppelin on the stomping coda to "The Enemy", which wouldn't be out of place on PHYSICAL GRAFFITI. The songs have gotten a lot more simple and straightahead, both on the lyrical side (which seems to be what everyone is focusing on) and the musical - nothing like the verses from "Zoo Pie" or "Liquid Indian" here. Pollard claims that the next album will show off their prog side more, which I'll trust him on, considering that GBV is on an incredible streak of six straight five-star albums (starting with BEE THOUSAND), not even counting the just-as-good Pollard/Gillard collaboration. Slightly tangentially, I've been listening to all my GBV lately, so I went back to Pollard's solo NOT IN MY AIRFORCE, which I remember being very disappointed by at the time, and I now think it's great. The amazing pair of "Girl Named Captain" / "Get Under It" is the place to start if you need an entry point into it. - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:46:11 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Isolation Drills glenn wrote: > Also, I'll sign up as provisionally pro-_Isolation Drills_. I don't > get any of the suggested fake-classic-rock vibe. It doesn't sound like > the Who to me, it just sounds like GbV. Likewise, after a couple of days listening. 'Isolation Drills' only reminds me of the Who to the extent that a lot of earlier GbV material has reminded me of the Who. Certainly I'm not sure that all of the album works, but this *is* a GbV release, and one doesn't expect everything that Pollard does to work, any more than one would have expected it of Patti Smith in her '70s heyday: it's not necessarily a major criticism in my book. I'm glad to hear the early REM influence creeping back in, for one thing, as it was almost absent on 'Do the Collapse'. I'm also glad to hear a more 'organic' band sound. I think the 'classic rock' references are slightly incorrect in that they suggest Pollard is retooling his songwriting to fit into a particular genre, whereas I think he's just allowing a few influences which have always been there to shine through. For example, I think there's a very marked 'White Album' sound to 'Pivotal Film', but that influence has been obvious at least since 'Alien Lanes'. There are songs I could live without, but not ones which I feel I have to skip. Only 'Want One' jars a little as far as I'm concerned, and that's actually about the most 'alternative' track proper on the album. Otherwise, I think the album's a brave and honest attempt to move towards a more adult approach to indie-rock without disavowing the energy and drive which always made the best rock music so appealing to me. Y'know, much as I love the early lo-fi GbV stuff, there's only so long that Pollard could have done that without becoming your classic 'eccentric' middle-aged artist, which I think would actually have been a cop-out, and which would have made his work far less interesting to me. Yes, 'Propeller', 'Bee Thousand', and 'Alien Lanes' were magnificent, but, unlike e.g. some of the reviews on amazon.com have suggested, it's not as if Pollard is trying to wipe out GbV's past by moving on or trying to turn himself into Mick Jagger (well, no more than he's always wanted to be Mick Jagger, anyway)... peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 9:54:33 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dante's infernal?!? Jer Fairall on 2001/04/11 Wed AM 09:04:14 MDT wrote: > I have been a long time admirer of Dante's work. My favorite Joe Dante "work" is THE MOVIE ORGY, his very first "movie". I was privileged to see the edited 4-hour version (aka THE SCHLITZ MOVIE ORGY) once a very long time ago. It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I had no idea that Dante was behind it until I first read that Onion interview. (For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, THE MOVIE ORGY is a 7-hour long collection of fragments from old B-movies, TV shows, commercials, etc., edited together to flow as one long movie. For example, it gives the illusion that Sky King, from the old TV show, is fighting the giant tarantula from the giant tarantula movie. Cool stuff like that.) Someday I hope to see the entire 7-hour version. They really should release that on DVD, but it's something that needs to be experienced with an audience, preferably a large one. Anyway, if you ever get a chance to see it (at a film festival or whatever), do! BTW, if people start talking about their furniture (aside from CD/DVD storage units), I'm outta here... Later. --Rog Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane ``Not every candle burns'' http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:13:51 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Fw: they might be literati (ns) Has anyone seen/heard the new McSweeney's. The new issue apparently includes a CD featuring a bunch of songs by TMBG which are thematically linked to the articles. Doughty also makes an appearance. I just blew all my money on Serge Gainsbourg 10" reissues, so I'm not likely to plop down the $25 for this until I hear more. http://mcsweeneys.net/ And, I hope that everyone got to see Stephen Malkmus quasi-redeem an otherwise lackluster Letterman appearance with some inspired, behind the head, fingerpicking. My personal take on their performance was sadness that the band member with the most charisma was Paul Shaffer. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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If our (U.S.) roads were 100% SUVs instead of the current mix, accident and fatality probabilites suggest there would be somewhere between 2.5 to 6 times the number traffic fatalities as we have now. And we still continue to subsidize SUVs relative to cars. - --Michael (Whose source is a soon to be published paper by a friend of a friend.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:59:25 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] Gormenghastly And let's not forget the band Titus Groan, whose debut album included the Peake interpretations "Fuchsia" and "Hall of the Bright Carvings", in addition to the more mundane relationship songs "It Wasn't For You", "It's All Up With Us", and "I Can't Change". It's actually not as bad as one would expect, although that's a long way from saying it's good. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:06:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fw: they might be literati (ns) On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > The new issue apparently includes a CD featuring a bunch of songs by > TMBG which are thematically linked to the articles. Doughty also > makes an appearance. I just blew all my money on Serge Gainsbourg 10" > reissues, so I'm not likely to plop down the $25 for this until I hear > more. wise choice. there are a few full songs, all good ones, but they're slated for the next proper album. most of the disc is short instrumental (or nearly-instrumental) bits, and the Doughty song sounds like he wrote it on the spot. the book itself isn't too thrilling either, except for the Zadie Smith story and some of the photographs. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:40:01 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fw: they might be literati (ns) In a message dated 4/11/01 12:21:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dana-boy@juno.com writes: << My personal take on their performance was sadness that the band member with the most charisma was Paul Shaffer. >> Who needs charisma when you've got that killer bang and that bone structure SM has? There is an in depth article on SM in the latest Magnet. There's more to him than meets the eye, actually. As expected, his girlfriend is reported to be stunningly beautiful, and is called his Yoko Ono, since she's in his band, and complaints are that she can hit notes about as well as Nico. M, waxing superficial np The Feelies THE GOOD EARTH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:14:07 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] MOTORCYCLES!, shakespeare, and Henry Rollins i keep sayin' - we should all ride motorcycles. better mileage, lower emissions per mile, would allow for more lanes on the same roads, and would have a greater darwinism effect. the biggest danger to a rider is cars/trucks/big metal boxes with wheels, seconded by rider stupidity (usually in the form of alcohol consumption). eliminate the other vehicles (providing, of course, a separated lane for semis, etc. that we still need), get tougher on DUIs, and you gain a thinned out population and a cleaner environment. [disclaimer: i currently drive an SUV when i have to go somewhere that involves bad traffic. otherwise, i like my bike.] realistically speaking, an incentive similar to a carpool lane - a safe place for bikes that is not subject to big metal box driving idiots - would probably increase the number of bikes on the road significantly. and yes, i know shakespeare, but not personally. i subjected myself to many many years of tech work in theatres, usually shakes festivals, when i thought i was going to grow up (or NOT grow up) and be a scenic artist. that all stopped when i realized i enjoyed being able to pay my rent without worrying if i was going to be able to buy groceries. not to mention the incredibly shitty politics of theatre people, the frequent 28-hour work days, and the chemicals. as for henry rollins - i had the good fortune to get in to his sold out spoken word show monday night. i'v never seen him perform before, and this was one of the rare times i actually wanted to meet the person MORE after hearing them speak, as opposed to wanting to run screaming from them. the guy has some great things to say, and a great way of putting them. and he's not bad to look at either.... got to chat with him after the show - really friendly, very down to earth. if you ever get a chance to see him do the spoken word thing, go. that's all for now, folks... - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Mitton [mailto:mlmitton@phoenix.Princeton.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:39 AM To: Richard Gagnon Cc: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Love SUVs? Read on! On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Richard Gagnon wrote: > Gallons by which daily U.S. oil comsumption would drop if SUVs' > average fuel efficiency increased by 3 mpg: 49,000,000 And if you really love SUVs...In an accident, SUVs are more likely to kill the other driver than an automobile, as you might expect. Given that you're in an accident, you are safer in an SUV, again as you might expect. But as you may not expect, SUVs are more likely to get in fatal accidents than cars are, so that overall, you are more likely to die in an SUV than a car. If our (U.S.) roads were 100% SUVs instead of the current mix, accident and fatality probabilites suggest there would be somewhere between 2.5 to 6 times the number traffic fatalities as we have now. And we still continue to subsidize SUVs relative to cars. - --Michael (Whose source is a soon to be published paper by a friend of a friend.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:49:33 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] MOTORCYCLES!, shakespeare, and Henry Rollins as for henry rollins - i had the good fortune to get in to his sold out spoken word show monday night. i'v never seen him perform before, and this was one of the rare times i actually wanted to meet the person MORE after hearing them speak, as opposed to wanting to run screaming from them. the guy has some great things to say, and a great way of putting them. and he's not bad to look at either.... got to chat with him after the show - really friendly, very down to earth. if you ever get a chance to see him do the spoken word thing, go. >>>>>>>> Yes, I remember seeing him years ago at Vassar. He gave a short speech before one of his songs, delivered while rocking back and forth in his little shorts and grunting: "This song [rock, grunt] is written for a friend of mine [rock, grunt] who died from HEROIN [grunt, rock]. Let me tell you [rock, grunt, rock] it's a really SHITTY way to die, man [band kicks into prog-punk sludge for the umpteenth time]. Rarely have I been so moved. CDNow is nice enough to include a description of his present show. A brief excerpt: The Kiss story became the centerpiece of the performance. He savagely skewered Kiss' mulletted and spandex-wearing fans. However, the nastiness of his contempt was tempered by acknowledging that, after seeing the band play, he'd been won over and considered them his Kiss Army comrades. Amazingly, he concluded the extended anecdote by returning to his original point about why he doesn't fear foreign invasion; if we are ever attacked, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley could rally the Kiss Army, whose devotion would enable them to fend off any attackers. Although he skirted discussing his own music, he frequently talked about others'. Britney Spears and Sting were favorite targets. In comparison to Kiss, he complained about millionaire rock stars in their 20s who are already jaded, singling out Oasis as an example. Not entirely negative, he repeatedly lauded Sam Cooke as the antithesis of disposable music. Towards the end of his performance, he focused on a recurring theme, decrying complacency. "What if people stopped showing up for the beating?" he pondered, referring to blind acceptance of anything aimed at the lowest common denominator. The thought-provoking and self-deprecating Rollins would be an effective motivational speaker for high school students. His coarse language, especially about his own sexual urges, would no doubt horrify parents and school administrators, but would win over the teens. [end quote] I wonder if he lives in a van down by the river. - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:22:28 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] MOTORCYCLES!, shakespeare, and Henry Rollins huh. weird. that's not at all what the SF show was like. he was on a kick about turning 40, mainly, and traveling secondarily, and everything was underscored with a frustrated wish for people to think for themselves (which is the only thing in the review below that remotely approaches the theme of the show i saw.) i was very impressed with his humour, his intellect, and with his experiences. he has an interesting world view as well. he was not the ranting, raving lunatic i was expecting - not even remotely. he's definitely funny, but it was by no means a stand up routine. it was more a collection of his musings on life, politics, and the world in general. he did mention spears and KISS, and joked about the fact that when you start being a market target for sting anthologies, you know they think you're old. but it was only a small part of his statement on how difficult it is to realize that you're an adult now, and to decide whether to become the Banana-Republic-wearing couch-potato of a responsible adult, or to hold on to your youth and continue to live an adventure. he also talked about the public perceptions of a 40-year old man, bemoaning the fact that if he shows as much life and excitement as he usually does, he is called spritely rather than energetic, or irresponsible rather than brave. i thought it was interesting, and bought a book, which is now signed. i also have a huge amount of respect for anyone who can not only have the talent to write well, but to know it, and to start his own publishing house when the big ones refuse to print his work. he's published maybe a dozen authors now, including Nick Cave. kinda cool. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Old Ramon, Isolation Drills On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, glenn mcdonald wrote: > OK, I'm now listening to what I suspect I'll end up saying is one of > the year's more important albums: Red House Painters' _Old Ramon_, > finally released on Sub Pop after several years of label limbo. If you > like Mark Kozelek but didn't feel entirely satisfied by a whole solo > album of languid AC/DC covers, you definitely want this. I don't know about its importance (though I had to be shown by a coworker, a moment ago, how to operate a bike reflector, so perhaps we shouldn't get started on what I don't know) but I like it too. So many of his recordings since the last RHP album have been covers that I'd started to think of him as purely a slowifier: someone who makes existing songs uniformly placid, for the purpose of effecting the same change in the listener. I guess my expectations had gotten so narrow that I was surprised for Old Ramon to have any texture at all. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] Emm Gryner news There seem to be enough Emm Gryner fans on the list now that I thought this info (from her newsletter) would be of interest to many of you: "Life has been busy in the Emm camp lately. The "Girl Versions" live recording was a smash hit success! If you missed the show, you'll have to be satisfied with the album when it comes out later this year. "Girl Versions" will be a collection of Emm's inimitable piano ballad covers of some otherwise high-testosterone tunes. She performed songs by Blur, Rush, Ozzy Osbourne, The Clash, Def Leppard, Foo Fighters and lots more." I've heard her perform the Clash's "Straight To Hell" live and it's one of the most amazing covers I've ever heard. Likewise, several people have spoken very highly of her cover of Def Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar On Me." Needless to say, I can't wait for this album! Jer Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:34:37 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] MOTORCYCLES!, shakespeare, and Henry Rollins bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: > > and he's not bad to look at > either.... personally, i think he looked better before he bulked up to the point of having no neck, and still had longish hair and wore gym shorts that threatened to fall off during his entire set. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:34:14 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "This summer, Martin Dortmunder IS John Lawrence!" >Indeed they were, with lead vocals by a young and lovely Neneh Cherry. >(Whatever happened to her, anyway?) I'm just paraphrasing from the NenehWeb page here, but according to that, her recent activities include: songs on the PLAYING BY HEART and BEST LAID PLANS soundtracks; a track with one Christian Falk on Falk's QUEL BORDEL album; a duet with her brother Eagle-Eye Cherry (the new Cat Stevens maybe, except he covers LL Cool J to remind you he's a Cherry) on his LIVING IN THE PRESENT FUTURE album; a song for the Ian Dury tribute album BRAND NEW BOOTS & PANTIES; a song on Gabriel's new one (Gabriel has a new one?); and an appearance on/in something called Paul Oakenfield's Urban Soundtracks. Oh, and she is working on a new full-length album. Successive elucidation here: http://www.nenehweb.com/index.html I remember Loudfolk saying her solo albums (only the first one sold well, I think) are pretty damn fine. Someone want to go back over that territory? Her last one, 1996's MAN, wasn't released in the US. Meanwhile, Neneh's (step-?) siblings continue their quiet plan for world domination--David Ornette Cherry and Jan Cherry have at least one album out apiece. Liked Mark Kozelek a little better before I read about his riffing on Koreans, Andy "So how accurate is it? Well, there are some things that are definitely wrong. For one thing, the uniforms and gear the recruits get right away are way too cool. Instead of camouflage utilities and matching garrison hats, we spent the first 10 days in unbelievably hot, buttoned-up-to-the-throat-at-all-times World War II-era fatigues called 'poopy suits' and ludicrous silver GI helmets called 'chrome domes' that were always flying off, leaving us perennially in danger of being gigged for being out of uniform. And Fox's recruits frequently look too clean. We went those first 10 days without a shower. We smelled so bad that the windows instantly fogged up in any room we entered, and the chaplain cut his first meeting with us short because he couldn't take it anymore." - --Scott Shuger, Slate.com staff columnist and Navy veteran, musing on Fox's "Boot Camp," at http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/01-04-10_104046.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:53:17 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "This summer, Nenah Cherry IS Toiling In Obscurity!" At 03:34 PM 4/11/01 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >I remember Loudfolk saying her solo albums (only the first one sold well, I >think) are pretty damn fine. Someone want to go back over that territory? >Her last one, 1996's MAN, wasn't released in the US. I put RAW LIKE SUSHI and HOMEBREW on for the first time in years for an assignment a couple of months ago and I thought they not only held up better than most R&B/dance albums of the era, they sound pretty prescient, if not influential. I certainly can see a connection between Cherry's obsessive genre-hopping and the OGH of Macy Gray and Jill Scott, anyway, and Cameron McVey and Tim Simenon's production sounds like Massive Attack learned a few things from them (entirely possible, since Bomb the Bass, McVey and Simenon's collective, was from the same Bristol scene that spawned MA). Nothing's quite as brilliant as "Buffalo Stance," which is one of the defining singles of its era, but it's all, yes, pretty damn fine. 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