From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #31 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, April 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 031 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon [Dana L Paoli ] RE: [loud-fans] Unsolicited comments on old CDs [Dan McCarthy ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon [MarkWStaples@aol.com] [loud-fans] inevitably... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) (A.I.) [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] "This summer, Martin Lawrence IS John Dortmunder!" [steve] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:28:18 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon In a message dated 4/9/01 3:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: > ugh. more likely, he thinks gay men in leather are all sadists and would > torture Eminem. you know, like in Pulp Fiction. > > my experience is that macho homophobes love talking about other people > getting raped by gay men. strange -- and tedious -- but true. > > After reading the post on Dave's full comments, I have to agree. A shame, it would have been nice if it wasn't homophobic. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:30:12 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon Jer Fairall wrote: > > Yes, 80's > metal was notorious for bullshit macho posturing and what was most ridiculous about that was all the candy colored spandex and big bleached hair! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:07:48 +0800 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Kubrick/Westlake At 12:23 AM +0100 4/10/01, Phil Gerrard wrote: >Actually, I didn't take too much offence at that movie, any more >than I did at Altman's 'The Long Goodbye': the story and characters >are recontextualised and, yes, to an extent, rewritten, but the >movie itself is fun - and marks a blink'n'you'll miss it early >appearance by Christopher Guest, Tapfans!. As a rule I don't think >there's anything wrong with messing with your source material >providing the end result is worthwhile on its own terms Oh, I agree. In general, I have no problem with that at all; hell, I even liked "Simon Birch," from which John Irving insisted his name be removed. I thought "High Fidelity" was great, despite the grave sin of taking place in Chicago. And after much trepidation ("The Once and Future King" was my favorite book when I was a kid) I ended up rather enjoying "Camelot," but that's probably a story for my Musical Theater Anonymous support group. In the case of this film in particular, though, I thought the screenplay subtracted from the novel without really adding anything. It wasn't a hideous travesty or anything - I quite liked the rest of the casting, especially (as Stewart mentioned) George Segal. I thought it was just a watchable but forgettable little film, mainly because of Redford and the changes that were made to that character. For instance, the book opens with Dortmunder's release from prison. The warden walks him out, talking all the way, while he tries vainly to get rid of him so he can get the $300 another inmate owes him for his cell. His first experience as a free man - before he's even off the grounds - is getting screwed out of $300. Which I thought set the character up beautifully - this is how his whole life goes. The film kept the release and the chatty warden, but left out the whole failed money transfer. Which made it not a *terrible* scene, but not a particularly interesting one either. Stuff like that. You know. Stewart said: >>But to give the character any depth, the actor *has* to be able to put across the schlubbiness and still be viable as a criminal genius. << I was thinking about this for a while, and thinking that any number of actors probably *could* put across schlubbiness if so directed. Then I started thinking, could Martin Lawrence do it? Oh god, what if he tries? You *know* it'll involve fake buck teeth. Anyone have any pals with clout in Hollywood who they can slip Stewart's casting choices to? On the bright side, I just found out that the library in my new hometown has almost all the Westlake titles I've had no luck tracking down. Yay! - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:18:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, jenny grover wrote: > Jer Fairall wrote: > > > > Yes, 80's > > metal was notorious for bullshit macho posturing > > and what was most ridiculous about that was all the candy colored > spandex and big bleached hair! At the risk of offending someone (insert crocodile tears here), I remember some comedian at the time noting that most metal bands dressed like someone's sister - if that sister was a slut. I seem to have lost track of the "homophobia?/not homophobia?" controversy, but my memory runs like this: a. Dave Mustaine is quoted as saying he'd like to see what happened if Eminem, who's been accused of homophobia, walked into a gay leather bar; b. Someone thought they'd recalled that Dave Mustaine himself had made homophobic comments; c. Someone was offended at someone accusing Dave Mustaine of homophobia; d. Someone claimed that the sentiment expressed in Mustaine's remarks was itself homophobic, since it relied upon a stereotype of leather-bar habitues as violence-prone; e. Someone claimed that Eminem was either latent (to use a cobwebby vocab) or closeted (actually that's what Boy George said - he also said he'd be happy to, uh, do the honors of showing E. the light); f. Someone claimed that remark was homophobic; g. Someone noted the irony of '80s metallers' attitudes, given their sartorial habits. I don't know what to think of all this - except I will note in passing that my fingers keep wanting to type "hojophobia" - the fear of Howard Johnson's. Okay...what about *football*? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html "SUV owners can help reduce toxic emissions by parking in enclosed garages, stopping up their exhaust pipes, getting back into their cars, and tightly sealing all windows and doors." -- The Onion 5 April 2001 np: Stew "Into Me" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:30:03 -0400 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) At 03:12 PM 4/9/01 -0600, Stewart Mason wrote: >At 04:42 PM 4/9/01 -0400, Dan McCarthy wrote about AI: > >What fills me with dread is that this is a project that Kubrick had close > >to his heart for YEARS... he deferred its production because special > >effects just weren't where they had to be in order to present the story the > >way he wanted it presented. Now- now that SFX have caught up- Kubrick is > >dead and his vision will go unfulfilled. The final insult is that the film > >poster says "A Steven Spielberg Film"... Kubrick's probably rolling in his > >grave. > >At the risk of pissing off Kubrick fans (and I *like* Kubrick--a framed >copy for the poster of LOLITA, which I think is one of the greatest >book-into-film translations of all time, is on the wall directly behind >me), my first thought upon learning that Spielberg had picked up AI was >"who else?" Spielberg and Kubrick have both been charged--and I think >rightly, in some cases--with being more interested in filmmaking than in >films. There are times when this works--much of what I love about LOLITA >is the way Kubrick incorporated so many this-is-a-movie in-jokes, and DUEL >isn't about a killer truck so much as it's about how movies can be an >almost purely visual medium, with very little dialogue and very few >characters--and there are times when it doesn't. (BARRY LYNDON looked >gorgeous, but it was boring as hell.) I can understand how one might like >one director and not the other, but I think Spielberg and Kubrick really >have fairly similar artistic visions. (That said, having hardly any >interest in science fiction, I can't see myself watching AI no matter who >directs it, so I'm probably not the one to say.) I can see where you're coming from with the comparison between Kubrick and Spielberg, but to me there's always been one major difference. Spielberg, to me, is a 'storyteller', whereas Kubrick has always been more conceptual. They both make films, but Kubrick isn't as bent on making himself accessible to the masses- his films seem to require more concentration and interpretation than Spielberg's. Not that there aren't latent messages in Spielberg's films, but I believe that his primary function is to entertain, while Kubrick's is to enlighten. I think there's a big difference between the two, and it's the reason why Spielberg is a pop filmmaker whose movies go on to be huge blockbuster successes, and why Kubrick's films are almost all destined to be fondly-remembered cult classics. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:22:52 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon Okay...what about *football*? >>>>>>>> Well, I keep forgetting to watch the XFL on Saturday night. Is it true that they televise the cheerleaders' halftime showers, or were they just kidding when they said that. - --dana, who earlier today did a google search for Mustaine +Eminem, and found himself transported to the webpage of an 18 year old Alaskan girl who has a child and numerous piercings, and who seems to belong to a webring of 18 year old girls from assorted sparsly populated states who like heavy metal, catalog their piercings, and keep their diaries on the internet. In general, they seem to like Dave Mustaine better than Eminem, but I'm not sure if any of them go to hard-core-leather bars. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:44:42 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] "This summer, Martin Lawrence IS John Dortmunder!" Stewart sourly noted: >Now, the summer film that's really chapping *my* ass is the adaptation of >Donald Westlake's WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN starring Martin >Lawrence. I'm thinking my fellow Westlake fan Rick Gagnon will back me up >when I say, "Martin Lawrence as John Dortmunder? No fucking way." Oh yes, I'm right behind you on this one, Stewart. Ack. Elisabeth then wrote: >I'm not Rick, but: the HELL? Perhaps one of the several existing but >obscure film adaptations from this excellent series would have been >at least successful enough to be issued on VHS if anyone could figure >out that the main character's being a vaguely depressive, >slope-shouldered loser is essential to the story's humor. Last one I >saw was "The Hot Rock," which starred Robert Redford. > >I didn't think anyone could do worse than that. > >I was wrong. > >Come to think of it, I thought that Martin Lawrence's last summer >movie, the name of which escapes me (but he was a burglar trying to >retrieve a stolen diamond), borrowed several plot elements from the >Dortmunder series. I guess borrowing the whole thing was the obvious >next step... Still, I think Redford gave it his all, and the William Goldman script didn't hurt, and captured the essence of the book nicely. But yeah, weird casting. Then back to Stewart: >Elizabeth is right, every single one of the previous films has gotten >Dortmunder entirely wrong. (Actually, I haven't seen the German film based >on BANK SHOT, which is so bizarre it just might work. I will give props to >THE HOT ROCK, which is the least offensive of the lot, for casting George >Segal as Kelp, which is dead nuts on.) Dortmunder is a schlub. He's >actually a criminal genius, but he consistently has the worst luck in the >world. (To give some insight, Dortmunder is a comic riff on Parker, the >anti-hero from Westlake's series of crime novels written under the name >Richard Stark. Mel Gibson's recent PAYBACK is a remake of a Lee Hunter >movie based on the first Parker novel.) Lee Marvin, and the novel was "The Hunter". Slip of the tongue, I know.:) >But to give the character any >depth, the actor *has* to be able to put across the schlubbiness and still >be viable as a criminal genius. I'm sitting here wracking my brain, and I >can't think of anybody. *Maybe* Nicolas Cage, back when he was acting. >Possibly Steve Buscemi, but he's too antic. Uh...Vin Diesel? Just kidding. >The other thing is that WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN is, I'm pretty >sure, the last of the Dortmunder novels, and I can't see an audience that >hasn't read all the other books getting the same kick out of this one, >which is an immensely satisfying conclusion to the series. Ah, who knows? I agree that it makes a fitting finale, but then so was Butcher's Moon a perfect cap to the Parker saga, and it was, over twenty years later, followed up by (so far) three more installments. Mind you, I don't think Westlake's got another 20 years to spare. I'd like to see another Grofield book, myself. One thing Westlake's been wise about is never allowing (I *think* it's his doing, since it's been consistent over a thirty-year+ period, I believe) the filmmakers to use his lead characters' novelistic monikers, substituting soundalikes like "Potter". With the resounding failure of these films (well, except Payback and Point Blank), the literary franchise might have been compromised pretty thoroughtly. Or not. I wonder how Fletch novels did, comparatively, before and after the movie. Lawrence Block, whom we always discuss right along when Westlake is, also suffers mixed casting results...Whoopie Goldberg as Bernie Rhodenbarr? Jeff Bridges in Hit Man sounds more promising, however. Rick - -- "If there's nowhere to run, you go slow" *********** Noddy Holder ************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:37:11 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) (A.I.) On Monday, April 9, 2001, at 04:12 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > my first thought upon learning that Spielberg had picked up AI was > "who else?" From Coming Attractions: > After Kubrick's death, another legendary director commented on his > interest in realizing Kubrick's unfinished vision. Steven Spielberg spoke > with Kubrick often about the premise of A.I, and seemed to have an > intrinsic understanding of the film's scope. Kubrick even went so far as > to mention to friends that Spielberg was the ideal director for A.I.. http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/ai.html I'd vote for the first Indian Jones as Spielberg's last good film. IIRC, he committed to A.I. after failing to get Harry Potter. Boy Robot + Spielberg = "I've got a very bad feeling about this." - - Steve _________ Is this thing on? Sent via OS X Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:35:28 -0400 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Unsolicited comments on old CDs At 04:22 PM 4/9/01 -0400, Tim Victor wrote: >On Monday, April 09, glenn mcdonald wrote: > > Tim Victor recommends: > >> Julia Darling's "Figure 8" > > > > I'm fond of this album, too, Based on those two comments, I picked it up tonight... and I haven't finished it all the way through yet but I must say that I concur. It's quite quite good so far. I also bought (but haven't yet listened to) that Scritti Politti album. If ya can't trust a Loud-Fan who can ya trust? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:26:57 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] D'oh! This struck me as perhaps being of interest to loud-fans as well. I'm not one of those people who pats themself on the back for being educated and looks down on those who aren't (I've been blessed and lucky), but what I wonder is, what can be done about this? This is embarassing to me. I mean, these are funny anecdotes, but as a future teacher and an American one at that, this really is quite sad. M np Death by Chocolate s/t Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (rly-yh04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.36]) by air-yh04.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:35:00 -0400 Received: from ml.egroups.com (ml.egroups.com [208.50.144.77]) by rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:34:44 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-9140-7499-986833918-markwstaples=aol.com@return s.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.54] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2001 16:31:58 -0000 X-Sender: s-groby@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: coupland@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 9 Apr 2001 16:31:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 54700 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 16:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2001 16:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (194.221.183.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 16:31:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 333 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2001 16:31:53 -0000 Received: from dialppp-7-220.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (HELO mein?rechner.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) (134.147.7.220) by mail.gmx.net (mp027-rz3) with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 16:31:53 -0000 To: coupland@yahoogroups.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: From: s-groby@gmx.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list coupland@yahoogroups.com; contact coupland-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list coupland@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:31:45 +0000 Reply-To: coupland@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [coupland] They cannot be THAT uneducated Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <200104091234.AFCa10757@rly-yh04.mx.aol.com> X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > When in Florida I went to the Step-Brats School and spent a day with my > sister, Ashleigh. > I was aked where I was from. I said 'England'. I got asked if England was in > Europe, and could I draw a map to show them where it was. > 'If that Bush guy wins the election again, I'm moving to paris. he f*&$ed up > the country enough last time he was running it' > I refrained from pointing out it was Bush's SON, Bush Jr. standing. And just > said. 'Why do you want to move to Paris? France isn't that great a country. > It gets cold in Paris (this is Florida, cold is under about 20 C)' > 'I don't want to move to France. I want to move to paris' Oh, gratuitous story time. Off we go: When I was living in the states, I was asked (and alarmingly often, too) how it was like living under Hitler. Nevermind this was in '93. When history lessons at school stops at the year 1912, things after that are a little hazy. Some guys aked me if we have computers and phones in Europe - "Aargh! No! The Mercedes your parents drive was designed drawing figures in a sand box with sticks. The factory closes down when it's too windy." - "No....really?" My favorite incident occured when on the anniversary of the German reunification a Swedish fellow congratulated me on it. This was witnessed by a girl who promptly remembered that "oh, of course, today is Swedish-German reunification, isn't it?"-"Why, yes, it is. Together at last." Recommended reading: Bill Bryson's "The Lost Continent - - travels avross small town America" and "Notes from a Big Country". Favorite episode there: "Hey Bill, where are you from?" - "Great Britain" - "Well, honey, for a foreigner you speak English real good". Discaimer: Now I know for a fact that we have an abundance of mind-bustingly stupid people right here in Germany or in any other non-US country. It's just that for some reason, those stupid Americans there are, are not afraid to speak out the loudest. drifting in clouds of remembered moments when even I seemed a veritable college nerd, groby s-groby@gmx.de - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> Join Audio Book Club today and receive 4 Audio Books for 1 cent PLUS a Free Cassette Player. Choose from hundreds of the latest audio books, everything from John Grisham to Sydney Sheldon. Click Here! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> Yet another post from the Douglas Coupland debate list. Visit the home page at: http://coupland.homepage.dk Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:44:33 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "This summer, Martin Lawrence IS John Dortmunder!" At 10:44 PM 4/9/01 -0400, Richard Gagnon wrote about THE HOT ROCK: >Still, I think Redford gave it his all, and the William Goldman >script didn't hurt, and captured the essence of the book nicely. But >yeah, weird casting. Elizabeth's spot-on about the opening scene, which makes no sense in the film and is incredibly funny in the novel. There's the usual problem that to cover all of the capers in the book, the film would need to be six hours long, but I don't mind the film too much. It's always nice to see Zero Mostel and George Segal in anything, after all. But even if they wanted a bankable star for Dortmunder...what, was Dustin Hoffman busy? > >(To give some insight, Dortmunder is a comic riff on Parker, the >>anti-hero from Westlake's series of crime novels written under the name >>Richard Stark. Mel Gibson's recent PAYBACK is a remake of a Lee Hunter >>movie based on the first Parker novel.) > >Lee Marvin, and the novel was "The Hunter". Slip of the tongue, I know.:) Duh. I was in a hurry. >One thing Westlake's been wise about is never allowing (I *think* >it's his doing, since it's been consistent over a thirty-year+ >period, I believe) the filmmakers to use his lead characters' >novelistic monikers, substituting soundalikes like "Potter". With the >resounding failure of these films (well, except Payback and Point >Blank), the literary franchise might have been compromised pretty >thoroughtly. Given that Donald Westlake got an Oscar nomination for his terrific screenplay for THE GRIFTERS, you have to wonder why he's never adapted any of the Dortmunder novels himself. >Or not. I wonder how Fletch novels did, comparatively, >before and after the movie. I know I only read them after the first movie came out. I'm not crazy about the Fletch novels myself (Although Gregory McDonald's other series character, Flynn, who also appears in CONFESS FLETCH, is fun), because I've always gotten the feeling that McDonald feels he's slumming in the world of mysteries (he says as much in the intro to one of the Fletch anthologies) and also, I don't rate him very highly as a writer. His dialogue is incredibly stilted and the Fletch books are way too dependent on coincidences that conveniently happen three-quarters of the way through. >Lawrence Block, whom we always discuss right along when Westlake is, >also suffers mixed casting results...Whoopie Goldberg as Bernie >Rhodenbarr? Jeff Bridges in Hit Man sounds more promising, however. Jeff Bridges kicked all sorts of ass in EIGHT MILLION WAYS TO DIE, so he knows his way around Block's darker side. Whoopi as Bernie Rhodenbarr (alongside Bobcat Goldthwait as Bernie's henchperson, Carolyn Kester) is my personal gold standard of Inappropriate Casting. But if it wasn't for that movie, we wouldn't have Block's hilarious introduction to the movie tie-in edition of THE BURGLAR IN THE CLOSET, a conversation between Lawrence Block and Bernie Rhodenbarr in which the barely concealed subtext is "I cashed the check, so I can't say anything, but this movie stinks on ice." Also, steve wrote: >I'd vote for the first Indiana Jones as Spielberg's last good film. IIRC, >he committed to A.I. after failing to get Harry Potter. Boy Robot + >Spielberg = "I've got a very bad feeling about this." I'm pretty sure you have this backwards, given that Harry Potter is being directed by Steve's henchman, Chris Columbus. My memory of what happened is that Spielberg couldn't do Harry Potter because he was already doing both MINORITY REPORT and AI, but I wouldn't swear to it. Stewart NP: KILL ME IN THE MORNING--Float Up CP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:56:05 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] On-topic, but off-list (fwd) Former charter LoudFan Jonathan Ostrowsky emailed me and fellow exiled former lister Lisa Farley this actual list-specific question today. Any other northeastern LoudFans seen this ad? >So I've got the early news on tv this morning, and yet another Dunkin Donuts >ad comes on, and I cant believe what I'm hearing -- I could swear that the >music behind the guy talking about the zillion different breakfast bagels is >the bridge from "Don't Respond, She Can Tell." Lisa, have you seen >this commercial? It's the one with the bagels going around in a circle. >Pretty unnerving (dancing bagels and maybe S. Miller in a DD commercial) at >6:45 A.M., lemme tell you .... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:02:56 -0400 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) (A.I.) At 09:37 PM 4/9/01 -0500, steve wrote: >I'd vote for the first Indian Jones as Spielberg's last good film. IIRC, >he committed to A.I. after failing to get Harry Potter. Boy Robot + >Spielberg = "I've got a very bad feeling about this." I had heard that Spielberg had actually turned down Harry Potter, not failed to get the job. I'm fairly certain he had first refusal. Now I think the film's in the hands of sappy-film savant Chris Columbus. God help us all. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:23:40 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Eminem in Lone Star Saloon In a message dated 4/9/01 8:22:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: << J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html "SUV owners can help reduce toxic emissions by parking in enclosed garages, stopping up their exhaust pipes, getting back into their cars, and tightly sealing all windows and doors." -- The Onion 5 April 2001 >> Though I don't wish death on anyone, including Eminem, thankyou for the pleasurable fantasy this bit provided for me in my head. Almost every negative experience I have on the road is caused by me being the recipient of some sort of agressive/discourteous behavior caused by an SUV driver. SUVs to me embody everything I hate about America (and I love this country...but like anyone, I have my gripes...mostly the biggest being the utter wastefulness of them...they SUCK gas), and typically, it seems in my opinion that most SUV drivers only have them for status, or fitting in, not for any off-road needs, and so many of these drivers act the vehicle is an extension of their penis...like I am to get out of their way in my Ford Escort, and I don't, and it enrages them. Hassle me in traffic and I'll come to a DEAD STOP on the street. I've done it before, will do it again. So, if you see a chunky guy with blonde hair and a red beard driving a blue 2-door '92 Ford Escort with SC "public education: it's worth the investment" personal license plate, a WNCW 88.7 sticker and a USC Spartanburg parking sticker, be warned. Play nice. I don't have anything to lose in my car. M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:40:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] inevitably... this Atomic records ad: www.uwm.edu/~jenor/bomb.JPG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:48:18 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query (ns) (A.I.) In a message dated 4/10/01 12:06:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, endxmit@yahoo.com writes: > I had heard that Spielberg had actually turned down Harry Potter, not > failed to get the job. I'm fairly certain he had first refusal. Now I > think the film's in the hands of sappy-film savant Chris Columbus. God help > us all. > > Dan > > > > Actually I'm rather releved that Columbus is directing HP. I was so afraid that Spielberg would make another ET (a movie I hate) out of HP, that I was glad when he said no. True, Columbus is not the greatist director around, but I suspect Rowling is keep in an eye on things, and wouldn't let the film be ruined. I know she had final approval of the cast. Andrea NP Julia Darling Figure 8-a friend introduced me to her music. It's a great album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:55:29 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "This summer, Martin Lawrence IS John Dortmunder!" On Monday, April 9, 2001, at 10:44 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > Also, steve wrote: >> I'd vote for the first Indiana Jones as Spielberg's last good film. >> IIRC, >> he committed to A.I. after failing to get Harry Potter. Boy Robot + >> Spielberg = "I've got a very bad feeling about this." > > I'm pretty sure you have this backwards, given that Harry Potter is being > directed by Steve's henchman, Chris Columbus. My memory of what happened > is that Spielberg couldn't do Harry Potter because he was already doing > both MINORITY REPORT and AI, but I wouldn't swear to it. Yeah, you're probably right, but I do vaguely recollect something about Speilberg wanting to combine parts of the first two books into one movie, and it going over like a lead balloon with the holders of the property. We can always contemplate what HP would have been like if Terry Gilliam had got the job. - - Steve __________ Is this thing on? Sent via OS X Mail. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #31 ******************************