From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #28 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, April 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 028 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Unsolicited raving: Book of Changes [Richard Gagnon ] Re: [loud-fans] throwing stuff at the wall [MarkWStaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] scary cereal ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Re: exchange rates [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] throwing stuff at the wall [Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] Unsolicited raving: Book of Changes On the reading recommendations front, I thought I'd mention a wonderful book I devoured recently... It's called (bad title, I know) "Book of Changes", and it's a collection of interviews by Kristine McKenna. She chats with many a loudfan favorite, so I wager it's worth a heads up in these quarters. The interviewed include: Kenneth Anger James Brown William Burroughs Nick Cave Ray Charles George Clinton Lenoard Cohen Robert Crumb Bo Diddley Willie Dixon William Eggleston Brian Eno Howard Finster Robert Frank Al Green Merle Haggard Werner Herzog Pauline Kael Krzysztof Kieslowski David Lynch Louis Malle Van Morrison Bruce Nauman Nico Michael Ondaatje Iggy Pop Robert Rauschenberg Gena Rowlands Artie Shaw Nina Simone Patti Smith Mel Tormi Pete Townshend Don Van Vliet Tom Waits Peter Weir Wim Wenders Neil Young This book truly brings home the point that not all interviews and interviewers are equal. McKenna makes every question count, and, in many cases, I've never seen these subjects so thoroughly set aside their image and talk with such candor. I gained newfound respect and admiration for several people through their talks with McKenna. Only Werner Herzog came across as an out-and-out asshole, and only Iggy Pop truly came across (to me) as unintelligent. Once again, your mileage may very well vary, but only Anger, Cave and the final trio of Weir, Wenders and Young bored me, as does their work, so it stands to reason. The revelation of the book, for me, was Artie Shaw. What a guy. Other favorites: William Burroughs, James Brown, Nina Simone and Brian Eno... The book is (mostly) splendidly illustrated by 28 cartoonists, including Jim Woodring (portraits of Burroughs and Van Vliet), Peter Bagge (Townshend), Chris Ware (the best piece in the book, imho, a portrait of Kieslowski), etcetera. It came out last month, is published by Fantagraphics books, costs $14,95, and its isbn # is 1-56097-417-6 Rick - -- "I don't need to be understood/Strange or familiar, it's all good" ***************** John Newlands, "Obvious Single" ***************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:37:51 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] scary cereal I am experimenting with health foods, and this is on the side of my box of EnviroKidz Organic Orangutan-Os cereal: Now, being a future teacher who has many hours of classroom practicum experience and who has a very good possiblility of teaching middle school social studies next year, this little blurb on the side of the box of cereal I bought sort of struck me as a bit frightening. I did some educational journal research on propaganda messages and children recently, and this, even though I find myself agreeing with the message, am concerned about it being there in the first place: Do you think that wild orangutans are worth saving? Do you appreciate that big, wild animals like orangutans can still walk the face of the earth? Even if you never see an orangutan in the wild, do you value the idea that they are still out wandering through the rainforests of Indonesia? (I don't think I even knew WHERE Indonesia was until years after I stopped cutting Josie and the Pussycats 45s off the back of cereal boxes...so this is impressive to me) Are you cheering for orangutans, even when nobody is looking? (yay...yes I am a closet orangutan cheerer) Are you prepared to talk to your parents, schoolteachers and even government officials about how important it is for orangutans to be saved for Kids in future generations? Is there a spark of hope in your eye that something can be done by Kidz to save endangered orangutans? Congratulations! You're an EnviroKidz So, this message is telling Timmy he can't be an EnviroKid unless he feels the same way about orangutans. I can easily see the blurb also saying: Are you ready to bomb embassies, sabotage factories, boycott businesses to save endangered orangutans? Are you willing to be HARDCORE, sacrificing EVERYTHING to save orangutans? Thoughts? - -Mark np Guided by Voices ISOLATION DRILLS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:08:45 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] throwing stuff at the wall In a message dated 4/6/01 1:02:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: << I know it's not hip, but I'm also enjoying the new Al Stewart (his first in 5 years) DOWN IN THE CELLAR (another import). >> Sorry for the long lag time. Screw hipness. Think about it this way...Members Only jackets were once considered hip...now indie kids scour thrift stores for them, wearing them for ironic effect. Al Stewart is a fine lyricist (and has a pleasant voice to me as well), and had some of the most literate pop music on the radio in the seventies. Too bad he's fallen from grace. I have one of his CDs, and am not ashamed of it. I have some vintage AS vinyl as well. Buy me a ticket on the last train home tonight. M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:08:54 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] scary cereal Are you prepared to talk to your parents, schoolteachers and even government officials about how important it is for orangutans to be saved for Kids in future generations? >>>>>>> The part that bugs me the most is the fact that we can't seem to justify anything these days unless it either benefits children or the economy. I've never seen an orangutan, and I don't see why kids shouldn't be pestering their authority figures so that thirty-two year olds of the present generation can see big monkeys. I mean apes. Apparently the Australian dollar is now worth only fifty cents. There must be some way to use this to fill out my Flying Nun collection, right? And speaking of that... DUNEDIN SOUND OTAGO ARTS FESTIVAL ON WFMU: APRIL 16-MAY 3 It's no secret that the New Zealand underground of the 1980s and 90s has had a profound impact on many WFMU DJ's and listeners. The Otago Arts Festival, held in New Zealand this past October, featured some of the most stellar lights of the southern hemisphere (some of whom were reuniting after years), and for those of you who couldn't make the trip, WFMU is pleased to present entire performances of your favorite Kiwis, for a three week span only. We will be broadcasting them on the web as well, but we will not be archiving the shows, so don't miss your chance to hear these incredible sets from Dunedin, New Zealand. For easy reference, the full schedule also appears on our Web site at http://www.wfmu.org/otago.html. >>>>>>>> The fun starts on 4/16. And, has anyone heard about signing up for an organization that taps into your computer's memory, via the internet, while you're not using your computer, in order to create a supercomputer which they are using to fight cancer? It sounds very exciting!! - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:22:54 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] throwing stuff at the wall In a message dated 4/6/01 1:02:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: << >> Oh, so you won't think I'm completely oblivous, I have a sense of humor about myself. I have to. You should write like this more often. I rather enjoyed it. Sincerity is hard to spoof, though. I give you an E for effort. M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:04:35 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] scary cereal >And, has anyone heard about signing up for an organization that taps into >your computer's memory, via the internet, while you're not using your >computer, in order to create a supercomputer which they are using to >fight cancer? It sounds very exciting!! Hadn't heard of this, and would love to see more on the topic, but it does sound similar to the SETI screen saver (SETI@Home) project. On a somewhat-related note, I learned last night that the new edition of Microsoft Office, I think it is, will dial into Microsoft Headquarters and furnish it with a "snapshot" of your computer's innards. An anti-counterfeiting measure, of course, though its effectiveness remains to be seen. And Through The Wires (I Touch The Power), Andy "I couldn't read it all, not sufficiently enthralling, the guy would never make it as a journalist or novelist. Today's workplace quote: 'All roads lead to Zardoz' (uttered by several people, including my boss)" - --Ely Zero III on http://members.aol.com/MarkJYoung/confess.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:37:00 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Re: exchange rates At 01:08 PM 4/7/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >Apparently the Australian dollar is now worth only fifty cents. There >must be some way to use this to fill out my Flying Nun collection, right? The NZ dollar is worth even less than the Australian dollar (43 cents US), and I've often used that to my advantage. I just recently ordered Neil Finn's new CD, which is not likely to come out in the US, from a Kiwi CD shop (www.smokecds.com), and including air express postage, it cost me all of $11.50. The forthcoming Chills double-disc rarities set is US$28, including shipping. I've also gotten things from Flying Nun's website (www.flyingnun.co.nz) for not very much money at all. (Tall Dwarfs' FIFTY FLAVOURS OF GLUE for $14.26 including shipping, the Pop Art Toasters album for $5.19 including shipping, the Look Blue Go Purple compilation for $9.94 including shipping...) Buying CDs from New Zealand is even cheaper than buying CDs from Canada! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 16:21:25 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] throwing stuff at the wall At Saturday 4/7/2001 02:22 PM -0400, MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: >Oh, so you won't think I'm completely oblivous, I have a sense of humor about >myself. I have to. You should write like this more often. I rather enjoyed >it. Sincerity is hard to spoof, though. I give you an E for effort. Curses! Back to the Laboratory. If only I didn't feel the need to make fun of smart people. Later. --Rog Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane "Not every candle burns" http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:03:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] scary cereal On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: [quoting a cereal box] > Congratulations! You're an EnviroKidz > So, this message is telling Timmy he can't be an EnviroKid unless he feels > the same way about orangutans. No, it's telling Timmy he can't be an EnviroKidz. Apparently, the "z" is part of the *singular*, in a new and novel blow against the battered and bleeding body of English grammar. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n "Exchange: 1 1/2 Starch. Exchange calculations based on the _Exchange Lists for Meal Planning, c% 1995 the American Dietetic Association, the American Diabetes Association." - --Wheaties box ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #28 ******************************