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loud-fans-digest Friday, April 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 026
Today's Subjects:
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Re: [loud-fans] L'amour vient dans les jaillissements. [MarkWStaples@aol.]
Re: [loud-fans] Smiths/amour [OptionsR@aol.com]
[loud-fans] Moz / Sylvia Plath / funniest words...? ["Phil Gerrard"
]
RE: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer ["Keegstra, Russell" ]
[loud-fans] tell me what to buy (ns) [Dana L Paoli ]
Re: [loud-fans] tell me what to buy (ns) ["Phil Gerrard" ]
[loud-fans] tell me what to buy (ns) [Dana L Paoli ]
Re: [loud-fans] Icehouse...the band, not the beer [Dennis_McGreevy@praxai]
Re: [loud-fans] tell me what to buy (ns) [Aaron Mandel ]
Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer [jenny grover ]
Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer [Brandon & Sarah ]
RE: [loud-fans] Icehouse...the band, not the beer [Cindy Alvarez >
For me, it's the word "succulent." Just saying the word makes me feel
violated.
M
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 02:30:30 EDT
From: OptionsR@aol.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Smiths/amour
In a message dated 4/5/01 3:19:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
MarkWStaples@aol.com writes:
<< I think the test of if you
really love someone romantically...someone you'd spend the rest of your life
with, is, would you die for them? If you can't say yes, then I think
perhaps
the person should reevaluate the relationship. >>
Okay, I can sort of see Mark's point of view here. On the one hand, it is
sort of a great John-&-Yoko 24/7-groovy kind of love thing when the one
you're with is totally beside you on everything (up to and including
mortality). But, aside from the reasons that Jeffffrey mentioned (Is it 2 f's
or 6? Damn you, metric system, damn you!), it also can actually seem more
like a threat than a promise. I wised up (slightly) when a dear friend of
mine explained to me in her lecture "Why Nothing Will Happen Between Mike And
(her name here)", the potential loss of autonomy is pretty frightening to a
lot of people. It can wind up creating a fairly nasty form of dependency, and
when the motivator behind a relationship becomes fear of disappointing/losing
the significant other, you can start counting the seconds with a stopwatch
for the moment when everything collapses. So you should be careful who you
say "I need you" to, or at least expressing how much you need someone.
Hey, I've had more unrequited feelings in my life than I've had cold
beers (but I'm narrowing that margin, dammit), so I'm not quite as quick to
censure Mark about this. But I will agree with the consensus that even
thought it looks great on paper, seriously entertaining the notion of a sort
of love that is so consuming that one would die for the other doesn't seem so
great. You can drive yourself to despair if you feel you can't reach that
level, and even if you do reach it, there's the problem of maintaining such
emotional intensity. Of course, if you've already struck upon such a person,
then go to it, chief. I just fear what kind of shape both of you would wind
up in if it did end.
Then again, are you saying "die for" like the way a man can "die for" his
country, or "die for" some ice cream...etc.?
There's a song on Couch Flambeau's album "The Day The Music Died", which
is sort of a cross between the part of The Smiths song in question and
Bloodrock's "D.O.A." (leave it to me to bring up Bloodrock in a discussion
about The Smiths): "We'll go through the windshield together/we'll die on the
table together/and it will be so romantic".
I don't have my copy of "The Real Frank Zappa Book" at hand, but I
believe he said something to the effect that when people believe too strongly
about words in love songs, they later wind up feeling like they've been
cheated because the love they find isn't like what it feels like in that one
special song. Just because life imitates art sometimes doesn't necessarily
mean it should.
But since all my romantic relationships can pretty much be evenly divided
between women with ulterior motives where I just happened to be the
chump-on-duty at the time and women who mistake my kindness for the
willingness for mere friendship (thus creating very close but frequently
awkward and strained friendships), it could be inferred that I have no idea
what I'm talking about.
Okay, that's my quota of blathering filled. Back to my Cathedral albums...
Divine animation buried in sand,
Just some guy named Mike
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:42:54 +0100
From: "Phil Gerrard"
Subject: [loud-fans] Moz / Sylvia Plath / funniest words...?
Jeff wrote:
>I don't think we should expect artists to necessarily be good
>people, or to have anything useful to say on everything (not that
>you, Phil, are implying this...but it's a common belief, along the
>lines of "role model' theory that makes me yurk). They may well
>have something insightful to say aobut some area, while being
>complete morons on everything else.
No, heaven forbid we should use perceived overall 'goodness' as
any kind of arbiter of artistic merit. God knows I'd have a hell of a
lot of CDs, videos, and books to lose if I thought that way. IMO,
you don't decide in advance when you're going to reach saturation
point, or what level of idiocy would be enough to outweigh any
worthwhile insight: you only find out where the mythical 'line' is
when some other moron trips over it.
It's not completely rational, and it of course it cuts both ways.
Some of us forgave Oliver North because he reminded us of Gary
Cooper on TV, in my own neck of the woods some people forgave
the Kray brothers because after all they really loved their dear old
mum, and as somebody - I forget who - wrote recently, we were
asked to forgive Darth Vader because in the end he saved his son's
life -
- - but I won't forgive P J O'Rourke for the sentence 'Man first
developed in Africa: he has not continued to do so there.', and I
now feel, though I wasn't sure before, that I don't want to forgive
Morrisey for 'Asian Rut', 'Bengali in Platforms', or 'The National
Front Disco'. I'm sorry, but some subjects just aren't fit for
deliberately ambiguous or ironic treatment, particularly when your
understanding of said subjects is as meagre as Morrisey's seems
to be.
Chris wrote:
>Basically, if someone's going to go around stealing my oxygen
>and causing untold noise pollution around me by blathering on
>and on like a latter-day Sylvia Plath about the meaninglessness
>of life and fuckall to prove that he or she is "deep", all I wish for
>them is that they find this depth, hopefully at the bottom of a lake.
Actually, Sylvia Plath is one of my favourite writers. However, I
think one should be extremely suspicious of people whose main
interest in her work is to do with her journals and prose writing.
Yes, this stuff is tragic and gloomily fascinating, but I really find it
nauseating to see a lot of actually-not-at-all-maladjusted people get
their kicks by imagining themselves as kindred spirits with a
clinically depressed woman who ended up taking her own life. The
poetry, which in reality has *very* little to offer to doomy
adolescents, is the major work, and I think the rest of her output
should be seen as a by-product.
From Andy's post:
>The word "pants" may be the funniest word in the English
>language, though my friend Jason would choose "monkey." I'm
>also partial to "nougat."
Maybe it doesn't necessarily count as Eng Lang (but -hey! - what
*really* does?), but try 'kumquat' - see WC Fields, 'It's a Gift' for
details.
peace & love
phil
Phil Gerrard
Senior Admissions Officer
The External Programme
University of London
E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk
'Phone: 020 7862 8369
Fax: 020 7862 8363
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:59:20 EDT
From: JRT456@aol.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Smiths/amour
I watched a documentary last night in which a very normal woman in her
fifties was talking about how sad it was watching her husband die, and that
she wished it had been her instead of him. It didn't seem dopey, unrealistic,
or even melodramatic.
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:21:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?=
Subject: [loud-fans] It's a Gift
Phil Gerrard wrote:
> Maybe it doesn't necessarily count as Eng Lang (but -hey! - what
> *really* does?), but try 'kumquat' - see WC Fields, 'It's a Gift' for
> details.
Do you know Carl LaFong, Phil? ;)
Toodlepip,
- -Stef
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:19:55 -0500
From: "Keegstra, Russell"
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer
> >I got some great advice from a pastor once. Don't marry
>someone you can live with...marry the one you can't live
>without.
My philosophy is that you should marry your best friend,
and if your best friend happens to be of the sex that you
are sexually attracted to, then bonus.
Cyber cats are moving to a cyber beat,
Russ
np: Danger Kitty, Love Rocket
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:18:38 -0400
From: Dana L Paoli
Subject: [loud-fans] Throwing Stuff at the Wall
Roger said:
It seems like BritPop is the only thing that
excites me these days, though a lot of it is drek...Has anyone heard the
band Hefner? My local college station keeps playing their new album WE
LOVE THE CITY constantly, and I'm afraid that I'm
going to succumb. It's apparently their 4th album, though I've never
heard of
them before. I think they're British too, right?
>>>>>>>>>
Even though I don't have anything brilliant to say about Hefner, I
thought that Roger's post should generate at least one response. I
debated chiming in with the names of my cats, but instead I'll mention
that they've been on a Hefner kick at the coffee shop next door to me,
and the bulk of it sounds pretty good in a Brit-pop band who've heard
Pavement kind of a way.
If you consider blur's recent stuff (13 and Music is my Radar) to still
be brit-pop, you might want to investigate Thou (thanks JRT for the web
info) who's new album, while about as stylistically consistant as a
Swirlies record, has some really great blur sounding songs. One in
particular sounds an awful lot like a cross between blur's woo-hoo song
and the Pixies "Tame." About half of the record is like that, while the
other half veers closer to trip-hop territory, so it may be a case of
"find a cheap used copy and learn to program your CD player" rather than
"run out and buy it now." Still, I've been playing (and enjoying) this
an awful lot this last week.
Finally, David Byrne has at last done something that doesn't irritate me
by reissuing "Inspiration Information" by Shuggie Otis. If you frequent
a hip restaurant/cafe in the next few months, you'll doubtless be hearing
this new Luaka Bop CD, which comes off like a collaboration between Sly
(and his family) and the High Llamas. It's very nice quasi-psychedelic
quasi-funk from the early '70s, featuring early drum machine use, all
done by Mr. Otis who recorded pretty much everything by himself (he comes
off as a sort of Emmit Rhodes of mellow-funk in the liner notes). I
don't really know enough about this genre to make the correct
comparisons, so maybe someone else can give a better description of this.
I suspect that it'll be getting a fair amount of press.
- --dana
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:27:39 -0400
From: Dana L Paoli
Subject: [loud-fans] tell me what to buy (ns)
We recently discussed filtering software, which helps you find music you
like without having to think about it. There's an article in Salon today
(do I work for them or something?) on that very subject:
http://salon.com/tech/feature/2001/04/06/personalization/index.html
The funniest part is:
I pity the poor soul who tries to make sense of my music collection: I
love R.E.M., but only their first few albums; Nick Drake sends chills up
and down my spine, but I hate Van Morrison. Massive Attack is terrific
but Tricky's albums do nothing for me. And while I could dance all night
to MJ Cole, I could not care less about the prospect of never hearing
another Chemical Brothers track ever again. Then there's my secret
stealthy (well, not so stealthy anymore) love of Destiny's Child's
overproduced pop. From the outside my collection would seem to be all
over the map -- and yet, to me, it makes perfect sense.
>>>>>>
You wild thing, you!! I'll bet you also like the Beatles *and* the
Rolling Stones!! Anyway, my bad attitude aside, it's a helpful article.
[another quote]
It had the Pixies, Liz Phair, Massive Attack, Sleater-Kinney, Stereolab
and Elliott Smith, some old Cure and Smiths classics, certain Nick Drake
songs, and a bit of Belle and Sebastian -- all of which perfectly
epitomized my rock tastes. But it also spit out artists like Gomez,
Helium, Lucksmith and Neutral Milk Hotel; obscure bands I had never heard
of before
>>>>>>>
And you even managed to spell three of them correctly!!
- --dana
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:47:10 +0100
From: "Phil Gerrard"
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tell me what to buy (ns)
Dana wrote
> We recently discussed filtering software, which helps you find music
> you like without having to think about it. There's an article in
> Salon today (do I work for them or something?) on that very subject:
>
> http://salon.com/tech/feature/2001/04/06/personalization/index.html
Hmm... I must admit that I don't see any reason why I should be
less skeptical about this than I am about say, computer dating, or
online 'personality tests', although the potential for damage is
clearly far less. Also, isn't this kind of tool as likely (if not more
likely) to direct people like us to machine-tooled generic 'alt-
rock'/'power-pop' clones as it is to find us music we'd find truly
worthwhile and enlightening? Ultimately, I would think we'd still
have to wade through a lot of crap to find the good stuff, so how
much of a change is it really likely to make?
peace & love
phil
Phil Gerrard
Senior Admissions Officer
The External Programme
University of London
E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk
'Phone: 020 7862 8369
Fax: 020 7862 8363
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: dmw
Subject: [loud-fans] sticky stuff
Hefner, along with Home, was probably my favorite music discovery of last
year. Curiously, I first heard Hefner in my local coffee shop. THe new
one, _We Love the CIty_ is pretty swell, but I like _The Fidelity Wars_
even better, it's a little less britty and a little more poppy, and as far
as I'm concerned it's an unconscionable error that "Hymn for the
Cigarettes" wasn't in the soundtrack to "High Fidelity." Rob woulda loved
it.
I agree almost completely with everything Stewart said about Icehouse,
except that I first saw them live touring the album after Stweart gave up
on them, so I didn't hear the lackluster second and third ones til much
later. They released records well ino the 90s; I heard some of them, if I
remember right they got more "rockist" and the records were competent,
un-embarrassing and not bery memorable. But at some point I may have
mixd up the later careers of Icehouse and Icicle WOrks, although I know it
was the latter who went all Crazy Horse.
Has anybody herd this "Swag" record? Sounds intriguing, but I'd like to
know more.
- -- d.
np isolation drills. this does have some boring songs on it, i'm afraid.
- - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos
- - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing
- - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews
- - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:12:48 -0400
From: Dana L Paoli
Subject: [loud-fans] tell me what to buy (ns)
The Media Unbound people do seem to have a sense of humor:
>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi. Thanks for your interest in the MediaUnbound technology
demonstration.
Due to overwhelming demand (even though the Salon article didn't mention
sex or Keanu Reeves), our service is currently running at full volume.
Please register below and we will notify you when the system becomes
available.
Sorry for the delay.
[after registering]
Thanks again for registering. You will receive an email message when your
account is activated.
Now go back to reading about cross-dressing and listening to FM radio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
- --dana
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:40:08 -0400
From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Icehouse...the band, not the beer
Stewart says:
Icehouse were pretty big in Boulder in the early '80s--their song "We Can
Get Together" was in heavy rotation at KBCO for months around '81/'82, back
when you could have such things as regional hits. They were also
constantly on the local public access video show, and they were popular
enough that at least one of the local cover bands that played dances and
assemblies at my junior high school had "We Can Get Together" and "Sister"
in their setlist. However, I don't think Icehouse did much nationally
until around 1987 or 1988, when they had a pretty big adult-contemporary
pop hit that I don't even remember the name of.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Regional? "We Can Get Together" followed "Icehouse" as hit videos on MTV. The
video for the latter featured early MTV cutting edge (read: "cops the visual
style of various Bowie videos") imagery, and was one of thes notably goofy ones
where the info bar in the lower corner had the same name on the line for band,
song, and album. I recall liking them well enough, but thought the line "you
can buclkle my shoe" in "...Together" was annoying. I mean who really owns
shoes with buckles? And can't the guy buckle his own shoe? Of course at the
time, I'd never heard of a foot fetish...
- --Dennis
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:46:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Aaron Mandel
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tell me what to buy (ns)
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Phil Gerrard wrote:
> Also, isn't this kind of tool as likely (if not more likely) to direct
> people like us to machine-tooled generic 'alt- rock'/'power-pop'
> clones as it is to find us music we'd find truly worthwhile and
> enlightening?
the thing is -- and i assume this is part of the motivation for continued
efforts along these lines -- that when people meet each other through
fondness for one particular musician, they often find they have tastes in
common which don't fall along those genre lines. looking at the results of
our 2000 album poll, i'd say Guest Host was the only thing in the top ten
which i'd expect a simple-minded scheme to classify next to The Loud
Family. there may be a musical resemblance between Scott and Elliott Smith
which explains the latter's approval onlist, but it's not obvious, at
least not to me.
and the other thing, which i'm really amazed i haven't seen as a feature
of any of these services yet, is that if you have music classified by
genre, you should be able to say "show me things that Loud Family fans
like which AREN'T in the same style".
it looks like the MediaUnbound demo site is overloaded (they're taking
names for a waiting list now), but i look forward to trying it. Michael
Papish, quoted in the article, is one of the biggest musical eclectics to
pass through WHRB in the time i've spent there.
a
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:39:15 EDT
From: MarkWStaples@aol.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moz / Sylvia Plath / funniest words...?
In a message dated 4/6/01 6:53:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk writes:
<< Actually, Sylvia Plath is one of my favourite writers. However, I
think one should be extremely suspicious of people whose main
interest in her work is to do with her journals and prose writing.
Yes, this stuff is tragic and gloomily fascinating, but I really find it
nauseating to see a lot of actually-not-at-all-maladjusted people get
their kicks by imagining themselves as kindred spirits with a
clinically depressed woman who ended up taking her own life. The
poetry, which in reality has *very* little to offer to doomy
adolescents, is the major work, and I think the rest of her output
should be seen as a by-product. >>
Plath will always be my favorite poet. Thankyou for this. Well said. As
for Plath, I think part of her problem was Ted Hughes, but that's just my
intuition.
M
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:41:29 EDT
From: MarkWStaples@aol.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer
In a message dated 4/6/01 8:31:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RK9@tmw.com
writes:
<< np: Danger Kitty, Love Rocket
>>
Come on, smell the glove.
M
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:45:18 EDT
From: MarkWStaples@aol.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Throwing Stuff at the Wall
In a message dated 4/6/01 9:24:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dana-boy@juno.com
writes:
<< If you frequent
a hip restaurant/cafe in the next few months, you'll doubtless be hearing
this new Luaka Bop CD, which comes off like a collaboration between Sly
(and his family) and the High Llamas. >>
I'd be curious to know how many times David Dye has played this already on
WORLD CAFE. If David plays it, it will be in the CD players of Volvos
nationwide in mere days.
- -Mark, who wouldn't mind having a Volvo, and has all of Byrne's output
(except MY LIFE IN THE BUSH OF GHOSTS) so I mean this in a good way
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:06:53 -0400
From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer
I'm tempted to get excessively pedantic about linear thought implying
terminality on this (a temptation which I'll try to avoid), but I must toss a
quick comment.
"Love" is not a passive process. The notion of "falling in love" implies this,
to often disastrous error. It is something one must actively attain, and having
attained it, one must work with one's all to maintain it. The consistent
infusion of death-imagery into romantic literature and art, indicative of a
desire to be "swept away" to a place "beyond" one's woes, constitutes one of the
greatest deceptions humanity has ever perpetrated upon itself.
Life is often ridiculously hard work. Love is a part of life. Not a way out.
The caveat here is that I'm recently divorced (so what the f*ck do I know,
right?). But I've had the "swept away" feeling more than once before, and it
consistently failed to last. And I've had a person I cared for immesurably tell
me that they would die for me, and hearing that made physically ill.
Personally, alone or otherwise, I intend to live for a long time.
it's always about "you",
- --Dennis
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:14:22 EDT
From: MarkWStaples@aol.com
Subject: [loud-fans] good advices
Thankyou everyone who responded to the "Twiggy" post. I'm going to Barnes
and Noble and Books a Million later today to see if I can find some of these
cookbook titles to look through. Lots of good advice as well. I think I
could ask this list anything from how to do a 12 volt conversion on a
pre-1967 Volkswagen, reviews of the entire Brian Eno discography, or which
Darren was the better one, Dick Sargeant or Dick York, and I could get an
opinion or answer. You guys are fabulous (sweetie darlings).
"Hello? Emergency liposuction please." (Patsy on ABFAB)
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:17:36 -0400
From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Icehouse, the beer, not the food (was "throwing stuff at the wall")
Rog has been drinking:
And okay, I'm willing to admit that Moz is maybe not
intentionally trying to be as funny as I thought, but I still put him on
the same level of comedic genius as, oh, say, Emo Philips.
<><><><><><><>
They're the band that sound like they wanna be Fugazi really bad, with the
female singers who are all daughters of famous acid-casualties, right? But
doesn't being "Emo" preclude the possibility of ever having a sense of humor?
- --Dennis
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:24:54 -0400
From: Dana L Paoli
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer
The caveat here is that I'm recently divorced (so what the f*ck do I
know,
right?).
>>>>>>>
Hey, so is one of the writers of "The Rules" and she knows lots!! : )
- --dana, the marriage expert
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:51:50 -0400
From: jenny grover
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer
Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote:
>
> "Love" is not a passive process. The notion of "falling in love" implies this,
> to often disastrous error. It is something one must actively attain, and having
> attained it, one must work with one's all to maintain it.
To a point. More toward the beginning of a relationship, or if you're
trying to salvage a rocky one later on. I don't feel like I'm working
with my all to maintain my relationship with my husband. At this point,
our love for each other pretty much just IS. Our lives and habits are
both interwoven and separate. I used to think I couldn't live without
him, but now I know I could, and that has been empowering to me, which
has improved our relationship overall. With his encouragement I have
become less dependent.
That's not to say that it's all a smooth and easy ride, but we get along
better than most people I know. The guys I fell head over heels for
tended to be trouble and those relationships ended rather badly. Hubby
and I eased into things more. Now we are in year 19 of marriage (21
years total together) and still happy about it.
Jen
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:15:01 +0100
From: "Phil Gerrard"
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer
Dennis wrote:
> "Love" is not a passive process. The notion of "falling in love"
> implies this, to often disastrous error. It is something one must
> actively attain, and having attained it, one must work with one's all
> to maintain it. The consistent infusion of death-imagery into
> romantic literature and art, indicative of a desire to be "swept away"
> to a place "beyond" one's woes, constitutes one of the greatest
> deceptions humanity has ever perpetrated upon itself.
Everybody gets some sense of that 'rush', that being 'swept away'
when a particular object of affection appears on the scene, or as a
relationship takes off, but certainly dealing with one's feelings after
that is an important test of maturity. Problem is, that kind of
maturity makes for lousy art, 'cause it's so *reasonable*... A very
wise man once said something about 'the highest highs and the
lowest lows', and dammit, that's what I want from my movies,
books, and music, and I don't want to go through my own life
without experiencing those emotions for myself (OK, maybe not so
many of the lows). However, what art won't do, and what it probably
can't and maybe shouldn't do, cause it isn't in the least *dramatic*,
is teach me how to live the rest of my life on a day-to-day basis.
Believing that the kind of love described in art and felt on occasion -
that 'rush' - should be permanent is like wanting to spend your
whole life in a state of psychosis...
peace & love
phil
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joseph M. Mallon"
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Phil Gerrard wrote:
> Everybody gets some sense of that 'rush', that being 'swept away'
> when a particular object of affection appears on the scene, or as a
> relationship takes off, but certainly dealing with one's feelings after
> that is an important test of maturity. Problem is, that kind of
> maturity makes for lousy art, 'cause it's so *reasonable*... A very
> wise man once said something about 'the highest highs and the
> lowest lows', and dammit, that's what I want from my movies,
> books, and music, and I don't want to go through my own life
> without experiencing those emotions for myself (OK, maybe not so
> many of the lows). However, what art won't do, and what it probably
> can't and maybe shouldn't do, cause it isn't in the least *dramatic*,
> is teach me how to live the rest of my life on a day-to-day basis.
For just such a contrast, try INTERBABE CONCERN vs. DAYS FOR DAYS.
On topic? Moi?
J. Mallon
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:40:26 -0500
From: "Foster, Daryl DA SSI-GRAN"
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] sticky stuff
I am re-sending the following message because it apparently didn't make it
to the list. Apologies if you receive multiple copies.
- -Daryl
np- Cotton Mather - Hotel Baltimore
- -----Original Message-----
From: dmw [mailto:dmw@radix.net]
Has anybody herd this "Swag" record? Sounds intriguing, but I'd like to
know more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I picked up the Swag record after hearing a review on Fresh Air. It's not
ground breaking, but it is pretty pleasant Beatlesque pop. It sounds like
what it is, a bunch of guys having a lot of fun in the studio.
- - Daryl
np-Shalini
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:49:07 -0700
From: bbradley@namesecure.com
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] following up ...
<>
this must be standard. he did it in SF about a year ago as well. in case
anyone cares.
np, thanks to this list:
Saint-Saens - La Danse Macabre
- --
brianna bradley
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:53:59 -0700
From: bbradley@namesecure.com
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Icehouse...the band, not the beer
ok, big guilt complex here, but i LOVED icehouse in high school. i remember
the song names only vaguely - there was one called Man of (Many?) Colous. i
liked pretty much the whole album.
of course, Pop Goes the Word was also one of my faves. then again, i also
listened to Rush, The Cure, and a lot of classical stuff, so my tastes were
a little weird.
- --
brianna bradley
web designer, web ops
http://namesecure.com
IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS
tel: 925.609.1101 x206
fax: 925.609.1112
"The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is
growing."
Cole's Axiom
http://startrekonice.com
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:16:09 -0600
From: Roger Winston
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Throwing Stuff at the Wall
At Friday 4/6/2001 09:18 AM -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote:
>Even though I don't have anything brilliant to say about Hefner, I
>thought that Roger's post should generate at least one response. I
>debated chiming in with the names of my cats,
I should mention that I don't actually have any cats (just one dog) and
that was one of two bald-faced lies in my rambling post from last
night. The other lie was that I believed the Mansun song was denigrating
women. Taking lyrics out of context is so much fun.
Sorry for the content-free message, but I need the constant attention of
strangers in order to validate my own miserable existence. Thanks!
BTW, my all-time favorite Smiths song is "You Just Haven't Earned It Yet,
Baby". Is that irony?
Later. --Rog
Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane "Not every candle burns"
http://www.reignoffrogs.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:17:13 -0500
From: steve
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sticky swag
On Friday, April 6, 2001, at 10:00 AM, dmw wrote:
> Has anybody herd this "Swag" record? Sounds intriguing, but I'd like to
> know more.
Pretty grin inducing - five guys from other bands, their producer, and
assorted pals concoct tributes to the kind of pop songs they like, jangly
or not. Lots of bits I recognize - Todd, Beach Boys, Beatles, Kinks,
Cheap Trick (heh) - and probably lots I don't.
Needless to say, it's excellently crafted.
Sample lyric:
Do you ever turn the music up?
Do you sing along?
Do you have a favorite Cheap Trick song?
Put it on!
Have you ever seen SWAG play live?
Did you dig the show?
I've got tickets for tomorrow night
Let's go!
- - Steve
__________
Is this thing on?
Sent via OS X Mail.
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:08:36 -0700
From: Brandon & Sarah
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer
Do you drive the nicest car?
Get the nicest girls?
Cry when one of them is late?
Such an unkind world
Out to the discos, calculated riskos
They bore me to no end
One by one they learn to be themselves
Weren't they once my friends?
But I remember when love was love
And games were games
Dark days
Actors in our dark plays
Breathe the air in our dark ways
Living in these dark days
Actors in our dark plays
Breathe the air in dark ways
We were so pretentious then
We thought we were so strong
We had all the answers then
Made them up as we went along
We were so together, drive your parents crazy
Was the only rule
New discerning, Alternate Learning
Now it's only school
I don't want to grow up no more
It's too big a maze
[Gumby's in a coma, I know it's serious]
> From: "Joseph M. Mallon"
> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Phil Gerrard
> Cc: loud-fans@smoe.org
> Subject: Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer
>
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Phil Gerrard wrote:
>> Everybody gets some sense of that 'rush', that being 'swept away'
>> when a particular object of affection appears on the scene, or as a
>> relationship takes off, but certainly dealing with one's feelings after
>> that is an important test of maturity. Problem is, that kind of
>> maturity makes for lousy art, 'cause it's so *reasonable*... A very
>> wise man once said something about 'the highest highs and the
>> lowest lows', and dammit, that's what I want from my movies,
>> books, and music, and I don't want to go through my own life
>> without experiencing those emotions for myself (OK, maybe not so
>> many of the lows). However, what art won't do, and what it probably
>> can't and maybe shouldn't do, cause it isn't in the least *dramatic*,
>> is teach me how to live the rest of my life on a day-to-day basis.
>
> For just such a contrast, try INTERBABE CONCERN vs. DAYS FOR DAYS.
>
> On topic? Moi?
> J. Mallon
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:22:36 -0500
From: "Foster, Daryl DA SSI-GRAN"
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] sticky swag
From: steve [mailto:steveschiavo@mac.com]
On Friday, April 6, 2001, at 10:00 AM, dmw wrote:
> Has anybody herd this "Swag" record? Sounds intriguing, but I'd like to
> know more.
Pretty grin inducing - five guys from other bands, their producer, and
assorted pals concoct tributes to the kind of pop songs they like, jangly
or not. Lots of bits I recognize - Todd, Beach Boys, Beatles, Kinks,
Cheap Trick (heh) - and probably lots I don't.
Needless to say, it's excellently crafted.
Sample lyric:
Do you ever turn the music up?
Do you sing along?
Do you have a favorite Cheap Trick song?
Put it on!
Have you ever seen SWAG play live?
Did you dig the show?
I've got tickets for tomorrow night
Let's go!
- - Steve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The most "grin inducing" part of that song is the ending. The last line of
the song is "sunny day!", and the singer then goes into the Sesame Street
song during the fade-out.
Sunny days, wasting our time away ......
- -Daryl
np- Big Star - Radio City
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:29:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] throwing stuff at the wall
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Roger Winston wrote:
> car, I've had surprisingly few problems with it. In fact, I think this is
> the only unscheduled service I've had done on it aside from problems I've
> caused myself (by, like, crashing into things).
The Acura is not designed for crashing into things. Should you often crash
into things, you might consider a different vehicle - like, say, borrowing
one of Francis's tanks. They're quite good for crashing into things, I
believe.
- --Jeff, who can't quite bring himself to bring "June" into this post so as
to render it nearly on topic.
J e f f r e y N o r m a n
The Architectural Dance Society
www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html
::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing....
::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world.
__Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:55:31 -0400
From: jenny grover
Subject: [loud-fans] crashing into the wall
Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote:
>
> --Jeff, who can't quite bring himself to bring "June" into this post so as
> to render it nearly on topic.
speaking of which, there's a band on some old promo compilation a friend
gave me called crash into june. anyone ever heard of them?
Jen
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:01:37 -0700
From: Cindy Alvarez
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Icehouse...the band, not the beer
>ok, big guilt complex here, but i LOVED icehouse in high school. i remember
>the song names only vaguely - there was one called Man of (Many?) Colous. i
>liked pretty much the whole album.
Man of Colours. a fact which I know because I've been on a recent spate of
finding "oh my god, I remember that song from high school / junior high
that went da da da DA and I bet it's on Napster". which resulted in
finding "Electric Blue" by Icehouse. a fine song.
c
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:12:24 -0600
From: Roger Winston
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Icehouse...the band, not the beer
Cindy Alvarez on 2001/04/06 Fri PM 03:01:37 MDT wrote:
> Man of Colours. a fact which I know because I've been on a recent spate of
> finding "oh my god, I remember that song from high school / junior high
> that went da da da DA and I bet it's on Napster". which resulted in
> finding "Electric Blue" by Icehouse. a fine song.
Electric Blue (featuring John Oates of Hall & Oates!) was a big hit for Icehouse from MAN OF COLOURS, but not quite as big as Crazy, which is the song Stewart was trying to think of.
And to my mind, the album SIDEWALK doesn't sound so much like Roxy Music as it does Simple Minds (which, in a way, is filtered-Roxy Music). I believe that's because it was produced by Keith Forsey, who always wanted to be in Simple Minds and produced (and wrote?) Don't You Forget About Me.
I saw Icehouse in concert once, during the MoC tour. Iva Davies is *very* short.
Like a Primitive Man,
Later. --Rog
Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane ``Not every candle burns''
http://www.reignoffrogs.com
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