From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #25 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, April 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] smiffs ["Phil Gerrard" ] RE: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer ["Phil Gerrard" ] Re: [loud-fans] Smiths/amour [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] amour, la plaisir sole [dmw ] [loud-fans] slit my wrists and be gone ["Brian Block" ] Re: [loud-fans] smiffs [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Smiths [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] smiffs [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] Smiths/amour [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] throwing stuff at the wall [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] smiffs [MarkWStaples@aol.com] [loud-fans] following up ... [Michael Zwirn ] [loud-fans] Icehouse...the band, not the beer [MarkWStaples@aol.com] [loud-fans] L'amour vient dans les jaillissements. ["Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer At 06:13 PM 4/5/01 -0400, MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: > I think the divorce courts would have dustbunnies in them if people asked >themselves this question before they tied the knot. This presumes that feelings never change, which is rare in my experience. >I got some great advice >from a pastor once. Don't marry someone you can live with...marry the one >you can't live without. I don't know if that's such great advice. Many a marriage has crashed and burned after the initial infatuation & passion wore off. For centuries marriages were arranged, and still are in many parts of the world--yet matrimony remains a more or less stable social institution. But what the hell do I know? Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley There is no law except the law that there is no law. John A. Wheeler, _Black Holes, Gravitational Waves and Cosmology_ [1974] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:53:08 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer >I got some great advice >from a pastor once. Don't marry someone you can live with...marry the one >you can't live without. I don't know if that's such great advice. Many a marriage has crashed and burned after the initial infatuation & passion wore off. - ---- yeah, i'd have to agree. i suppose this is a case of "only time will tell". the 'can't live without' thing tends to end up being more of a desperation thing. you know, firmly carved in Jello. um, TM... or something. but hey, without infatuation & passion and the inevitable reality check, what would top 40 lyricists write about? heh - funny line from semisonic: "get a grip on yourself you know you should i got a grip on myself and it feels good get a grip on yourself take my advice i got a grip on myself and it feels nice" and yes, it's takling about masturbation, more or less. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:07:51 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: [loud-fans] amour-propre At 03:53 PM 4/5/01 -0700, bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: >heh - funny line from semisonic: >"get a grip on yourself you know you should >i got a grip on myself and it feels good >get a grip on yourself take my advice >i got a grip on myself and it feels nice" > >and yes, it's takling about masturbation, more or less. Words to live by--and, to paraphrase Woody Allen, it's a perfect opportunity to have sex with someone you love. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley There is no law except the law that there is no law. John A. Wheeler, _Black Holes, Gravitational Waves and Cosmology_ [1974] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:19:02 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] smiffs Jeff, then Andy - > >(I don't know all the details, but two people > >kidnapped, tortured, and murdered several children in the moors - I > >think in the late '60s) > > > A few links to info on the Moors Murders (with the caveat that many > people will find the whole business terrifying and disgusting, not to > mention depressing--so if you think you might be one of those people, > you might wish to abstain): Ahh... I'd almost forgotten/maybe blanked this, along with Morrisey's seriously dubious take on UK racial politics from the early '90s onwards. I'm sorry, this suddenly reminded me that despite the musical genius that went into the first few Smiths albums, the guy's a fucking insensitive idiot when it comes to anything other than his own feelings, and thats he's nothing like the deep thinker he imagines himself to be, especially when it comes to any attempt at wider social comment. There's a part of Morrisey which I'm afraid is just nothing more than a middle-class Eminem, in that he feels that a patina of irony gives him the excuse never to apologise, never to explain... no justice, no peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:26:11 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer Brianna wrote - > heh - funny line from semisonic: > "get a grip on yourself you know you should > i got a grip on myself and it feels good > get a grip on yourself take my advice > i got a grip on myself and it feels nice" > > and yes, it's takling about masturbation, more or less. ..and there's a challenge for a mix tape! First dibs on 'Teenage Kicks' and 'Pictures of Lily'... peace & self-love (OK, I'll quit after this one) phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] smiffs On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > So if it's funny, it's funny in the way Jeffrey Dahmer jokes were funny - > that kind of dark humor we use when there seems no other resort. That wasn't what I meant. I'll try again, though it will probably get me in trouble. Try this: My room-mate in college lost his mother in the infamous Air Florida 14th St bridge crash. You might remember it: ice on the wings, the plane clipped the bridge, went into the potomac. Someone helped a number of people out of the icy water and to waiting rescuers before drowning himself. I learned of my room-mate's personal connection to this the night that a TV movie dramatizing the incident was first aired. My room-mate was outraged -- he thought the movie trivialized and mocked his suffering. His reaction is analagous to how I feel about "Suffer Little Children;" I sincerely doubt Morrissey's intent was mockery (and I doubt the film-makers' intent was to mock any of the crash victims), but I think that's what comes across. His delivery is *so* over the top it's ludicrous, and it doesn't help that much of the lyric is flat dreadful: "Edward see those alluring lights? Tonight will be your very last night." oh, *that* scans well! And the recurring refrain "Manchester, so much to answer for," well, I'd find it a lot less pretentious if we were talking about the Happy Mondays, in the promulgation of which suffering preumable at least large numbers of Mancusians were involved -- as it is, it borders on historical innacuracy; it's not like there was a vast conspiracy of murder, there were a couple nutjobs. I think in general, Rock music is not well suited to serious songs about serious real-life stuff. You could fill several pages with counter examples, that are succesful for one reason or another -- I think Christine Lavin's song, "The Dakota," about the murder of John Lennon, for example, is terrific and genuinely moving. BUt it's also subtle and restrained -- the titular subject of the song is the building outside which the murder ocurred, and the effect seeing that building has on the narrator. "Subtle" and "restrained" aren't words I would apply to Morrissey; I have a lot of respect for him, and he's good at playing Morrissey, but he doesn't have a broad range -- I think all but his most ardent supporters would agree with that. And in my seldom humble opinion, his approach is far too ham-fisted for the song to be other than a joke, even if it's only a bad one. Note: none of this stopped me from ripping something from this tune off for one of my own songs, but I'm betting the rip off would be hard to spot amongst my large catalogue of oblique rip-offs. - -- d. np the kiss offs _rock bottom_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:30:35 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Smiths/amour At 06:13 PM 4/5/01 EDT, MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: >I think the test of if you >really love someone romantically...someone you'd spend the rest of your life >with, is, would you die for them? If you can't say yes, then I think perhaps >the person should reevaluate the relationship. That is just...oh, for godsakes. If someone really felt so melodramatically adolescent and emotionally retarded that this is their primary criterion for the worth of a relationship, then that person would be doomed to a lifetime of being alone and miserable. Which, given how ridiculously self-absorbed a statement like that is, is probably what said person would be happiest with in the first place. Nothing like a good old-fashioned Christ complex to make one irresistible, after all. Here's a wild and wacky idea: How about an out-there concept like, "Do we make each other happy?" Oh, wait, happiness isn't conducive to adolescent moping about how nobody understands you. Oh, and also, that question takes the feelings of the other person into account, and obviously, theirs aren't nearly as important or as deep or as meaningful as your own. Huh. Oh well. >I got some great advice >from a pastor once. Don't marry someone you can live with...marry the one >you can't live without. That pastor must have some exceedingly pissed off and bitter people in his congregation, for exactly the reasons Matthew and Brianna mentioned. Stewart NP: The mix CD I'm about to mail off to Brian Block ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:37:57 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] amour, la plaisir sole On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Phil Gerrard wrote: > ..and there's a challenge for a mix tape! First dibs on 'Teenage > Kicks' and 'Pictures of Lily'... too easy! no challenge at all. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:17:06 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] slit my wrists and be gone I do, i guess, know better than to take this line seriously, but triggercut's: >I always thought the idea behind the magic marker dots was to produce >a >"cut along dotted lines" thing, sorta like a bag of chips. >I've always sort of encouraged such people to find some sort of cutting >implement in order to give natural selection a helpful shove in the right >direction... hit a little too personally to let me take it as humor. At least five of my female friends, including my girlfriend, have gone through phases of, yes, taking actual cutting implements to their veins; all of them report the occasional desire to still do so, though there's only one i actually worry about. Admittedly this is very different from the marker-cuts; the people who do REAL cutting tend to hide it and avoid notice for it; and perhaps triggercut would consider the marker-cutters a lower form of life. Still, people involved in both activities tend to be teenagers, like people who take Smiths lyrics earnestly, and of all the forms of adolescent idiocy, i hardly think either of those is among the most contemptible. There are adolescents who bully, adolescents who involve themselves early in outlaw capitalism, adolescents who puff themselves up with a hundred macho cliches. Better the Smiths, the Cure, Joy Division (at least on straightlaced lyrical worship grounds) than Limp Bizkit, the Disturbed, N.W.A. I don't think any of my friends used to be in the macho-hostile category. Excess earnestness and desire for attention are easier to outgrow, in my observation, than being an asshole. - -Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:26:58 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] slit my wrists and be gone I forgot there's no place like a public forum... I'd never denigrate or be flippant about people who genuinely have the psychological trauma requisite to make the idea of suicide seem like a viable alternative to lifes rich pageant. People who arrive at this psychological state (and I have had my share of friends and relatives who have been there too; I'd wager that just about everyone on this list has a "suicide too close to home" story or three to tell) have my deepest sympathy and empathy. I wish nothing for them except improvement in their condition, and a healthier worldview. Whenever someone in this category has approached me in the past, they've had my full, undivided attention and desire to help. The people who put magic marker dots on their wrists, in my experience, don't fall within that group. The people I've seen sport that stupid affectation are usually trust-fund post-adolescents (i.e. collegiate and post-collegiate jicks)looking for an artificial ornamentation to make them, I don't know, deeper or artier, or something. Now follow me here: it is because such ornamentation trivializes the plight of those who really are psychologically predisposed to suicide that I have no time for the former. Basically, if someone's going to go around stealing my oxygen and causing untold noise pollution around me by blathering on and on like a latter-day Sylvia Plath about the meaninglessness of life and fuckall to prove that he or she is "deep", all I wish for them is that they find this depth, hopefully at the bottom of a lake. (Hopefully I didn't just now offend the many list members who've lost family members to various Cosa Nostra organizations....) Brian Block wrote: > > I do, i guess, know better than to take this line seriously, > Yeah, you should. Getting in line for the Al Campanis sensitivity class... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:46:37 -0700 From: Joshua Lee Subject: RE: [loud-fans] turbogeek alert: language division From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [mailto:jenor@csd.uwm.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:51 PM > You must read the cover article in the April 2001 _Harper's_ magazine - > David Foster Wallace on the crises of language usage. Seconded. Also, here's a factiod gleaned from the same issue's _Index_: Rank of Oasis singer Liam Gallagher among public figures most reviled by Britons: 3 Rank of Slobodan Mislosevic and Adolf Hitler, respectively: 2,1 That's pretty impressive. You suppose a minor genocide could move him up to No. 1? To what does he owe such noteriety, anyway? Not on anyone's list, - --Joshua ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:50:10 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Inappropriate giggles Mark writes: > >So do I...maybe you should look for a new therapist! Like the >time I saw the >guy get his huge Expedition stuck in the car wash. I laughed...a lot. And how is laughing at *that* inappropriate, pray tell? ;) Rick - -- "I don't need to be understood/Strange or familiar, it's all good" ***************** John Newlands, "Obvious Single" ***************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:21:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] smiffs On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Phil Gerrard wrote: > Ahh... I'd almost forgotten/maybe blanked this, along with > Morrisey's seriously dubious take on UK racial politics from the > early '90s onwards. I'm sorry, this suddenly reminded me that > despite the musical genius that went into the first few Smiths > albums, the guy's a fucking insensitive idiot when it comes to > anything other than his own feelings, and thats he's nothing like the > deep thinker he imagines himself to be, especially when it comes > to any attempt at wider social comment. There's a part of Morrisey > which I'm afraid is just nothing more than a middle-class Eminem, > in that he feels that a patina of irony gives him the excuse never to > apologise, never to explain... As Robyn Hitchcock said at the Minneapolis show, "Of course we're sick - we're artists." I don't think we should expect artists to necessarily be good people, or to have anything useful to say on everything (not that you, Phil, are implying this...but it's a common belief, along the lines of "role model' theory that makes me yurk). They may well have something insightful to say aobut some area, while being complete morons on everything else. Speaking of complete morons, I have a question about a right-wing bumper sticker - the one that says ALGORE IS A RISKY SCHEME. Why is Gore's name run together as if it's one word? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:22:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Smiths On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: > usually don't buy e.p.s, but Hope Sandoval drips sensuousness...it's like > heroin... Hey - heroin is for sensitive artists. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:34:48 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] smiffs On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 10:21 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Speaking of complete morons, I have a question about a right-wing bumper > sticker - the one that says ALGORE IS A RISKY SCHEME. Why is Gore's name > run together as if it's one word? It's a play or Igor - you can thank that radio guy from the Hitchcock song. __________ Is this thing on? Sent via OS X Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:43:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Smiths/amour On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: > really love someone romantically...someone you'd spend the rest of your life > with, is, would you die for them? What does this mean? "Die for them" as in: take their place at an execution? trade yourself for them when they're held hostage? Wouldn't that be sloughing off your mourning, your loss, for theirs? Isn't that more the height of selfishness than anything else? (Incidentally, Ronald Reagan *did* propose marriage to Jim Brady...) Or do you mean (thinks of soap-operatic melodrama) some mustache-twirling guy kidnaps them, and says you have to die to prove your love? Sorry to wax-mustache all philosophical on yo' ass, but linguistic propositions only have validity in a social world: if you want to literalize the Prince song title ("I Would Die 4 U"), you'll have to conceptualize the real, social situation in which such a statement could be true. The problem with valuing love over your own life is it characterizes love as wholly one's own property and completely neglects the love the other (presumably) has for you - and therefore is an agreement that the other's anguish of loss is an acceptable price you're willing to force that person to pay. Of course, in the Smiths' song (bet you thought I forgot), not only is the love unrequited, the loved one is to perish *along with* the lover. Reminds me of the Onion headline: Real-Life Romantic-Comedy Behavior Gets Man Arrested. > Don't marry someone you can live with...marry the one > you can't live without. "Marriage" is *about* living together - this makes no sense. Obsession is hardly a stable grounds for a relationship - otherwise, we'd encourage the affection of stalkers. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ps: this just in: "Dying for others? Don't do it - mostly they're ungrateful" - J. Christ. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:56:07 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Smiths/amour At 10:43 PM 4/5/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >The problem with valuing love over your own life is it characterizes love >as wholly one's own property and completely neglects the love the other >(presumably) has for you - and therefore is an agreement that the other's >anguish of loss is an acceptable price you're willing to force that person >to pay. For the record, this is pretty much what I was trying to say with "Oh, for godsakes," but Jeff, as always, clarifies the thought considerably. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:50:30 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] throwing stuff at the wall I've got a lot to cover so let's get started. I need to catch you all up on my life. I recently ordered a few import CDs from Amazon UK. One of them was the latest Manic Street Preachers (which for some reason, I always mentally accented as MANIC STREET Preachers, instead of Manic STREET PREACHERS, as if there was a Manic Street in London somewhere where the band came from) CD called KNOW YOUR ENEMY. Political diatribes aside, which I'm assuming they are from the song titles, though I didn't really play close attention to the lyrics, it sounds really good. After only one listen, I like it better than THIS IS MY TRUTH TELL ME YOURS, which I liked a lot. It seems like BritPop is the only thing that excites me these days, though a lot of it is drek. I also got the new Mansun (LITTLE KIX), but haven't really listened to much of it yet. What I did hear, I liked. Though I hate how the song I Can Only Disappoint U totally disrespects women ("Tonight some bitch is hassling me"), it's a really catchy rockin' little number! Why do they have to denigrate women in order to sell an album? Has anyone heard the band Hefner? My local college station keeps playing their new album WE LOVE THE CITY constantly, and I'm afraid that I'm going to succumb. It's apparently their 4th album, though I've never heard of them before. I think they're British too, right? I shouldn't spend so much on CDs, I spent $380 on getting the master brake cylinder in my Acura replaced this week. That hurt. For a 10-year old car, I've had surprisingly few problems with it. In fact, I think this is the only unscheduled service I've had done on it aside from problems I've caused myself (by, like, crashing into things). Another one of the imports I got was the Pixies' COMPLETE B SIDES. Wow, it's really nice to have all these on one disc, especially since I think some of the songs were not available on American CDs. But I could be wrong. I never really realized what a Neil Young fixation the Pixies had before. And I've heard people say that they weren't a great live band, but I still remember that show at the Gothic theater during the BOSSANOVA tour when Kim Deal had a cigarette dangling off her fingers the whole show yet still managed to crank out those rock solid basslines! My friend Anthony was like "Whoa! She's gonna burn herself!" I know it's not hip, but I'm also enjoying the new Al Stewart (his first in 5 years) DOWN IN THE CELLAR (another import). Who woulda thought a concept album about *wine*, for goshsakes, could be so entertaining? It's not quite PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE, but what is? Smackdown! And okay, I'm willing to admit that Moz is maybe not intentionally trying to be as funny as I thought, but I still put him on the same level of comedic genius as, oh, say, Emo Philips. Beer is good food! But I guess I should've had something more for dinner. Whew! Something in there should generate *some* replies, I would hope. My cat's name is Mittens, Later. --Rog (lookin' for that one true love) Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane "Not every candle burns" http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:53:56 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] smiffs In a message dated 4/5/01 11:35:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: << ALGORE IS A RISKY SCHEME. Why is Gore's name run together as if it's one word? >> It was printed by George Dubya. M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:10:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Zwirn Subject: [loud-fans] following up ... http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,23320,00.html BALLAD OF A FINN MAN NEIL FINN kicked off his five-night AUCKLAND residency last night with guest appearances from PEARL JAM frontman EDDIE VEDDER, guitarist ED O'BRIEN and drummer PHIL SELWAY from RADIOHEAD and former SMITHS guitarist JOHNNY MARR. During the two-hour set at St James venue, Finn sang a version of The Smiths' 'There Is A Light That Never Goes Out'. Click back to NME.COM later today for the complete lowdown from our reporter on the spot - and exciting details about our LIVE webcast of Finn's closing show on Friday (April 6). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Zwirn mzwirn01@tufts.edu ICQ #12755821 Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University, Medford MA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:15:18 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Icehouse...the band, not the beer I hung out with my friend Holland this evening and we raided his vinyl...he just got a new stereo with turntable built in, and he hasn't had a stereo in years (yikes). The most eclectic stuff you'd ever see, Hank Williams Jr. next to Jerry Rafferty next to Tim Curry "Working on my Tan" next to the Smiths next to 1950s southern gospel. Anyway, he had one disc that I really liked, it was a band called Icehouse. It did have a dated eighties sound (thanks to the Fairlight synth and production style of the day) but I did rather like it. It was like Talk Talk meets Roxy Music. Who are these guys, and where are they today? Producers? Shoe salesmen at Shoe Carnival? Anyone? M np Billy Idol's greatest hits (a guilty pleasure...BUSTED!...he was good up through REBEL YELL...the bass on "White Wedding" is great, like an adrenalin rush...you liked it in high school too...don't deny it) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:24:12 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] L'amour vient dans les jaillissements. ><< ALGORE IS A RISKY SCHEME. Why is Gore's name > run together as if it's one word? >> As well to ask, "Why do 'all your base ARE belong to us'"? For Grape, Just Ice, Andy The word "pants" may be the funniest word in the English language, though my friend Jason would choose "monkey." I'm also partial to "nougat." [--Aaron Schatz, from an e-mail exchange with Whitney Matheson, at http://slate.msn.com/code/breakfast/breakfast.asp?Show=4/4/2001&idMessage=74 32&idBio=246#7429 . Courtesy Paul H. Henry.] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:37:24 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] amour, le chien d'enfer In a message dated 4/5/01 7:10:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mweber@library.berkeley.edu writes: << This presumes that feelings never change, which is rare in my experience. >> Well, I've only been in love once, and I can honestly say that that love hasn't changed on my end, and that relationship ended (and it about killed me...I got dumped) three years ago. I became a functioning human being again right about the time I saw the LF at the 40 Watt last year, so it took me two years to finally be able to function normally again, without seeing something or hearing a song or what have you that would make me jet out of a room and blabber like an idiot in the closest private spot I could find. That doesn't happen as much but it still happens about once a month or so. I have a hard time with the concept of "falling out of love" with someone. I believe that true love is unchanging. It may get stowed away or suppressed or denied or what have you, but I think it never leaves. M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:39:04 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Icehouse...the band, not the beer At 01:15 AM 4/6/01 EDT, MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: >I hung out with my friend Holland this evening and we raided his vinyl...he >just got a new stereo with turntable built in, and he hasn't had a stereo in >years (yikes). The most eclectic stuff you'd ever see, Hank Williams Jr. >next to Jerry Rafferty next to Tim Curry "Working on my Tan" next to the >Smiths next to 1950s southern gospel. Anyway, he had one disc that I really >liked, it was a band called Icehouse. It did have a dated eighties sound >(thanks to the Fairlight synth and production style of the day) but I did >rather like it. It was like Talk Talk meets Roxy Music. Who are these guys, >and where are they today? Producers? Shoe salesmen at Shoe Carnival? >Anyone? Icehouse were pretty big in Boulder in the early '80s--their song "We Can Get Together" was in heavy rotation at KBCO for months around '81/'82, back when you could have such things as regional hits. They were also constantly on the local public access video show, and they were popular enough that at least one of the local cover bands that played dances and assemblies at my junior high school had "We Can Get Together" and "Sister" in their setlist. However, I don't think Icehouse did much nationally until around 1987 or 1988, when they had a pretty big adult-contemporary pop hit that I don't even remember the name of. They were Australian, and singer/songwriter Iva Davies was the main--and I think by the end, the only--guy. They were originally called The Flowers, but for some reason, their first album was withdrawn and the band was renamed after the album's leadoff track. Your guess is as good as mine. That first album was pretty good atmospheric keyboard-and-guitar pop, but the second, PRIMITIVE MAN, only had one decent song on it, "Trojan Blue," which sounded just like Eyeless In Gaza. 1984's SIDEWALK was a utterly baldfaced Roxy Music ripoff and I stopped paying attention to them with that. I think they were making records at least into the '90s, though. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:42:50 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Icehouse...the band, not the beer MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: > > you liked it in high school too...don't deny it) no, i didn't. it didn't exist yet when i was in high school. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 01:49:44 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Smiths/amour In a message dated 4/5/01 7:45:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flamingo@rt66.com writes: << then that person would be doomed to a lifetime of being alone and miserable >> I don't think I'm Jesus, but I do go and worship him about once a week...as for this, I've been alone romantically almost all of my life. No biggie. I'm used to it. You know what comes to mind in our frictions? The two clerk guys in High Fidelity. I'm the quiet one listening to Belle and Sebastian, and you're the one who comes in and says it sucks ass and rips it out of the tape deck. 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