From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #19 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, April 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V1 #18 [Jason Long ] Re: [loud-fans] NP/NS Jason Long? [OptionsR@aol.com] [loud-fans] Sacrilege from Chicago... [triggercut ] Re: [loud-fans] Sacrilege from Chicago... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: [loud-fans] april 1 on april 2 (ns) ["David Raposa" ] Re: [loud-fans] Underwater Moonlight ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Soft Boys Chicago Notes [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] Re: [loud-fans] Loaf Used in Manly Fashion (pt. 2) [Dennis_McGreevy@praxa] Re: [loud-fans] Memento [Cindy Alvarez ] Re: [loud-fans] NP/NS Jason Long? 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[Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon [Jon Gabriel ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V1 #18 [=?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?] Re: [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] music ID needed [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] Creeper Lagoon ["Jeff Brenneman" ] Re: [loud-fans] music ID needed ["John Swartzentruber" ] RE: [loud-fans] music ID needed [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Underwater Moonlight [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] Memento [dorseycc ] Re: [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon [MarkWStaples@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 02:28:48 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V1 #18 Stef wrote: >Yesterday I got a double mix CD from someone called Jason Long from >Welland in Canada but I can't for the life of me remember what the >occasion was he sent me a mix for. The track listing indicates it might be >someone from the Loud Family list but I could be wrong. Indeed the CDs were for the last swap -- sorry it took me so long to get them out to you. I've been such a slacker lately. Speaking of swaps and slacking, I still owe a couple of reviews. I swear, sometime this week, or the weekend at the latest... Cheers, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 03:42:58 EDT From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NP/NS Jason Long? In a message dated 4/1/01 9:32:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: << And what's the name of that (new?) song that ended the first encore - something about the rain, "Mr. Kennedy," that ended with a wonderful, extended, nearly Television-esque set of duelling guitar solos? >> I just got back from seeing The Soft Boys in Chicago (and boy, is my liver tired!). A friend of mine was given a copy of the set list (I kind of question its legitimacy, since there's several songs on it they did not play, and several that they did play that aren't on it), but it's listed as just "Kennedy". So that's sounds like as good a guess as any. Yeah, I'd say that was one of the highlights of the set. The other new ones include "Evil Guy", "Sudden Town", and "Mind Is Connected". I hope a new full-length studio album is in the works. They sounded great to me (other than Kimberley's vocals being not terribly audible), even though everything is played a little bit slower than it originally was (it's twenty years later - duh!). I actually prefered the slower version of "Queen Of Eyes" that they played to the original, but I don't think "Face Of Death" came off very well. On a not terribly related note, my friends and I kept drinking at The Ginger Man too long and we missed John Wesley Harding's set entirely. Since Los Soft Boys got called back for multiple encores (and surely deserving of them), we didn't get to catch any of the openers at the Electric Wizard gig, but we arrived at the very start of EW's set. Holy crap, were they HEAVY. It wasn't the jaw-dropping spectacle that Sleep were in concert, but they were mighty close. If you like your metal big, ugly, loud, and S-L-O-W, make sure you see Electric Wizard when they stomp into (onto?) your town. Oh, and now I find out Television are going to be playing in Chicago on May 10th, and Suicide are playing two days later. I said it before and I'll say it again: moving back to Phoenix was a pretty stupid decision on my behalf. Tell me who sends these infamous gifts, Just some guy named Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:53:16 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: [loud-fans] Sacrilege from Chicago... Just my opinion, not meant to offend and to be taken with an iceberg-sized grain of salt... ...but I thought the Soft Boys show at Metro in Chicago this weekend was pretty mediocre in it's best moments. I guess what I associate with UNDERWATER MOONLIGHT, after the ridiculous catchiness and creativity evident, is the incredible energy that the record radiates. I found precious little of that energy present on Friday night. With a few exceptions, the ol' favorites sounded turgid and plodding, the performances by Robyn and Kimberley seemed subdued, and at times bored. When the Boys managed to pull themselves out of their sleepy state for decent readings of "Old Pervert" and "Destroy You", I felt like I was in the gallery watching Arnold Palmer hit a green in regulation at the Masters en route to shooting a 92. I have a hard time giving the boys a break for the passage of time, either. I saw the Bangles last fall, and in addition to the ladies looking positively radiant on stage, they also rocked like hell and seemed to be having a total blast doing so. I'll also compare the performance to the even more gray Big Star, whom I saw tear it up on that same Metro stage a year or so ago--Alex is Alex, but Jody Stephens is apparently aging at a different rate from the rest of the world. I guess hearing two of my all-time favorite songs, "Queen of Eyes" and "Kingdom Of Love" played at half-speed in a different key by musicians who looked bored to tears put me off....like I said, those were just my impressions of the gig. Really looking forward to seeing Ocean Colour Scene here in Chicago on May 1. Why can't this band get a record released in the States? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:01:40 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Underwater Moonlight With all of the renewed interest in this album, I jumped on the train and pulled out my copy and listened to it yesterday. I was curious if the current reissue is 24-bit remastered. I have the Rykodisc version that was issued back in the early nineties. It's good stuff, but Robyn has never topped ELEMENT OF LIGHT in my opinion, before or after its release. It feels like 1974, - -Mark, who is fidgety from quitting smoking cold turkey three days ago (why do I pay the manufacturers of American Spirit cigarettes to slowly kill me?...more money for records) np the Chamber Strings A MONTH OF SUNDAYS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:51:43 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Underwater Moonlight On Monday, April 2, 2001, at 07:01 AM, MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: > I was curious if the current reissue is 24-bit remastered. Evidently not, I can't find any mastering credit for disc 1. Disc 2 was mastered by someone at the manufacturing plant. - - Steve __________ Is this thing on? Sent via OS X Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:01:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sacrilege from Chicago... On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, triggercut wrote: > I guess hearing two of my all-time favorite songs, "Queen of Eyes" and > "Kingdom Of Love" played at half-speed in a different key by musicians > who looked bored to tears put me off....like I said, those were just my > impressions of the gig. I didn't see Chicago - but if what you say is the case, they not only recovered by the next night in Minneapolis but put the songs back in their proper keys and tempos. Perhaps it was an experiment in underwater listening? Some songs were slightly slower, yes - but not terribly so, and not enough to constitute either a trend or a liability. There was a bit less of the Hitchcock storytelling genius at work - too bad - but overall the Minneapolis show was fine, to these ears. Oh yeah: I'm guessing JWH told the same stories both nights: in the bit about his mother's stolen car, which band was it that told him the thief was gay? Finally: Chris Von Sneidern is looking increasingly simian these days... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ np: Wake Ooloo _Hear No Evil_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:23:07 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] april 1 on april 2 (ns) http://www.matador.recs.com/ Ok, April fools is over, but this is fairly funny. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:51:08 -0400 From: "David Raposa" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] april 1 on april 2 (ns) ** http://www.matador.recs.com/ ** ** Ok, April fools is over, but this is fairly funny. Now, see, that flashing "NEW CHAVEZ ALBUM" graphic - I thought, well, hey, there, that's not a joke, is it? (Chavez being a fine musical endeavor currently into Year Four of a MBV-like hiatus.) But, then, when the graphic also touts the upcoming release of _Slow Century_ (the much-ballyhooed Pavement DVD / VHS), then I know I'm being jerked around. Damn them. Daylight Savings Time was enough of a April Fools' gag for me. unreal is here now, daver. http://www.popshots.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:14:44 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NP/NS Jason Long? > << And what's the name of that (new?) song that ended the first encore - > something about the rain, "Mr. Kennedy," that ended with a wonderful, > extended, nearly Television-esque set of duelling guitar solos? > > I just got back from seeing The Soft Boys in Chicago (and boy, is my liver > tired!). A friend of mine was given a copy of the set list (I kind of > question its legitimacy, since there's several songs on it they did not play, > and several that they did play that aren't on it), but it's listed as just > "Kennedy". So that's sounds like as good a guess as any. Can't remember the name of the song, but Robyn played it a few months back when he was touring with Grant Lee Phillips. The song was written when he was touring with Flaming Lips, Sebadoh, etc.; the real-life Mr. Kennedy was Sebadoh's driver. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:47:13 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Underwater Moonlight >> I was curious if the current reissue is 24-bit remastered. > >Evidently not, I can't find any mastering credit for disc 1. Disc 2 was >mastered by someone at the manufacturing plant. Would somebody care to explain 24-bit remastering, and how it differs from other remasterings, to me technopeasant? I bet AVALON sounds just peachy that way, Andy "well, that's me bit. if anyone knows the irish girl arriving from london in san fran this last tuesday, you know, the one at luggage carousel 9, let her know that i WILL marry her if it would help. ok." - --Anton Barbeau, from his latest promo e-mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] april 1 on april 2 (ns) On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, David Raposa wrote: > ** http://www.matador.recs.com/ > ** > ** Ok, April fools is over, but this is fairly funny. > > Now, see, that flashing "NEW CHAVEZ ALBUM" graphic - I thought, well, hey, > there, that's not a joke, is it? (Chavez being a fine musical endeavor > currently into Year Four of a MBV-like hiatus.) But, then, when the graphic > also touts the upcoming release of _Slow Century_ (the much-ballyhooed Pavement > DVD / VHS), then I know I'm being jerked around. The meta-joke is that the new Chavez album is allegedly called CHINESE DEMOCRACY, actually the title of the supposedly forthcoming Guns 'N' Roses album. Wheels within wheels, man, J. Mallon P.S. Shoutout to Cyndy Patrick, whom it was a pleasure meeting this past weekend. Thanks also to Steve H., who set up our get-together. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:51:07 +0100 From: "Richard Blatherwick" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Memento An excellent film. It asks lots of questions of the preconceptions that you have regarding storytelling, but not in boring overly analytical way.I'd definitely recommend it to anyone weighing up whether to go see it. Richard >From: dorseycc >To: Loudfans >Subject: [loud-fans] Memento >Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:15:49 -0700 > >Has anyone seen this movie? It was fascinating thriller about a man who >has >no short term memory. I thought it was really good. I walked out the >movie feeling disoriented-the editing definitely had an effect on me. >I'm >still trying to piece together what happened in this movie. > > > >Carolyn _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:52:53 -0400 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: [loud-fans] Soft Boys Chicago Notes My friend Rachel and I got going late to see the show, which was packed. We stood in the hall while JWH played, but then lined ourselves up with one of the doorways into the theater as the Soft Boys began. This proved to be a good thing; part way through the show, I stepped through the door, only to step back in disgust, as a sort of horizontal thermocline had formed whereby the air in the hall where we stood was fresh and cool, but the air in the theater, a few inches before our faces, had already been breathed several times, and was hot, moist, and oxygen depleted. A small ceiling hung speaker provided clear sound of moderate volume to our post, and the sight lines were fine (for me anyhow; I can see over the heads of your average crowd, but Rachel, at 5'2" ended up pulling up a covered trash can as a perch). There were several post SBs Hitchcock thrown into the set, as well as covers of the Byrds' "Bells of Rhymney" (sp?), "Train Comin' Round the Bend" by the Velvet Underground, and Syd/Floyd's "Interstellar Overdrive". The show was more light jangle than prog/punk; very few Invisible Hits / Can of Bees tunes made it. "Human Music" is the only one I can think of at the moment, but I think there were two more. No "Pigworker", no "Asking Tree", no "When I Was A Kid". Interestingly, Rachel, who is well versed in her feminism, mentioned going in that she'd been turned off on her first exposure to the band by perceived sexism, something she'd since gotten over, but Robyn appears to have noticed this too, as the gender in a line from "Human Music" was flipped, the new line being "a boy can smile sweetly though his mouth is stuffed with flies". The break in "Underwater Moonlight" did feature a decent bit of Robyn storytelling while he tuned the low E string of his guitar up and down while feeding back through a crackly sounding tremolo device, but otherwise there was little deliberate strangeness. The real highlight was the interplay between Robyn and Kimberley on dueling leads. At several points, the two would step close to one another and fire off phrases which began and ended simultaneously, but went in different directions. This was very cool. Also, Kimberley, throughout, did not stop grinning. He seemed pretty happy to be playing with the others again. overripe meringues, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:02:10 -0400 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loaf Used in Manly Fashion (pt. 2) Jeff sez: Emmet Swimming "Arlington": A live version of this slightly amusing putdown of suburban punkers. Yes, it mentions tattoos and piercings within the first verse. Best moment: for no apparent reason, the band launches into a bit of the "Addams Family" theme: the guitarist's lick in the break seems to have reminded him of that number, the rest of the band follows suit, and the vocalist suavely enunciates "chic...unique" followed by "sight Fugazi!" (Oh yeah: is not Gomez Addams a paradigm of sophisticated manlihood? N'est-ce pas?) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> In keeping with the recent Pynchon mentions, 'bout ten years ago I'd just begun to read some book by Mr. Tom P., (either "V" or "Lot 49", probably the latter, but I forget) wherein the sky had been described as "flourescent beige", which, upon consideration, I decided was a fine instance of a sort of surrealism where language described something which could not exist in the real world. Then one day when working in a baseball card shop, I looked up, and standing before me was Gomez Addams himself, John Astin (sp?), clad in a really fine looking double-breasted suit. He was on his way to a children's hospital, and was looking for anything with his picture on it to distribute to the sick kiddies. The color of the suit? Flourescent beige. d-d-d-dmp, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:07:51 -0700 From: Cindy Alvarez Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Memento At 9:31 PM -0400 4/1/01, jenny grover wrote: >my husband, who is a neuroscientist, said that the protagonist is not >suffering from short term memory loss, but rather from global >anterograde amnesia Thank you Jenny Grover! I had been trying to explain this to my boyfriend, and I couldn't remember whether this was anterograde or retrograde amnesia. This determined, the typical exaggerated amnesia ("where am I? who am I? why am I married to Kurt Russell?") that you see in movies is retrograde amnesia, which, as I understand it, is actually a lot more rare than anterograde. c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:17:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NP/NS Jason Long? On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > And what's the name of that (new?) song that ended the first encore - > something about the rain, "Mr. Kennedy," that ended with a wonderful, > extended, nearly Television-esque set of duelling guitar solos? according to Matthew Seligman's tour diaries at www.underwatermoonlight.com, it's "Mr. Kennedy". i loved the song, though the lyrics on some of the verses were unusually prosaic. oddly, i didn't appreciate how *on* the show was until a few days later when i was listening to the UM double-disc and thinking "funny, now this sounds a bit lackluster". at the concert itself, the Boys only really appeared to get excited for the new songs. i really wonder to what extent they feel like they're doing a nostalgia tour. another unpleasant theory is that Robyn's so comfortable playing with these guys that he doesn't bring the same intensity to the shows that he usually does -- i say this as someone who's seen him play a lot, but only since the breakup of the Egyptians. so i'm used to Robyn, solo, blinking a lot. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:44:25 -0400 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Memento >An excellent film. It asks lots of questions of the preconceptions that >you have regarding storytelling, but not in boring overly analytical >way.I'd definitely recommend it to anyone weighing up whether to go see it. > >Richard I haven't seen it yet, but plan to. Still, my cynic's knee-jerk reaction is that the gimmick has been done before. Must we be forced to remember the Seinfeld episode whose scenes all ran in reverse order? While we're on the subject of movies that demand nonformulaic storytelling, Stephen Soderbergh's "Schizopolis" is extremely unorthodox in its narrative methods, and I have a feeling that loudfans will find it right up their alley since it contains just the sort of thing that Scott Miller's great at- namely, obscure subreferencing and the use of story fragments to flesh out a greater 'whole'. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:53:05 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] april 1 on april 2 (ns) In a message dated 4/2/01 10:46:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, popshots2@popshots.org writes: << Chavez being a fine musical endeavor currently into Year Four of a MBV-like hiatus.) >> Yeah, I know that My Bloody Valentine's decade long supposed hiatus is worse than my college attendance, but according to a recent article I read (I think it was AP) on the album LOVELESS, our recently discussed Alan McGee said that MBV will never get back together. Kevin Shields, according to McGee, has some kind of mental thing (taking anal retentiveness to a whole new level...this probably explains LOVELESS' brilliance of detail...LOVELESS took two and a half years to complete, and was a drain on the resources of Creation records...the band even went unannounced to the plant where cassettes of the album were being made to check on the production quality). According to McGee, Shields is in Primal Scream now, and that MBV was a done deal. Imagine if R.E.M. had called it quits after MURMUR (equate ISN'T ANYTHING with the CHRONIC TOWN e.p.) Think about that. There would be all these MBV releases and nobody would care. I wonder which one would suck as bad as MONSTER. M np Belle and Sebastian IF YOU'RE FEELING SINISTER ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:59:11 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] My Mother and I would like to know are you sure it's jethro tull? - -- brianna bradley > > Do you know the name of the Jethro Tull song in which one of the lines is > >something about a watch tower and a later line about Bibles? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:59:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Soft Boys Chicago Notes On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > doorways into the theater as the Soft Boys began. This proved to be a good > thing; part way through the show, I stepped through the door, only to step back > in disgust, as a sort of horizontal thermocline had formed whereby the air in > the hall where we stood was fresh and cool, but the air in the theater, a few > inches before our faces, had already been breathed several times, and was hot, > moist, and oxygen depleted. Ah - this explains it: Dennis discovered a time vortex through which he was actually witnessing the Minneapolis show of the following evening (whose events he exactly describes in the rest of his post) and not the apparently subpar Chicago show witnessed by Triggercut. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, trying to stay in the good graces of the Mongolian weasel (it was a weasel, no?) J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:03:47 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Memento At 02:44 PM 4/2/01 -0400, Dan McCarthy wrote: >>An excellent film. It asks lots of questions of the preconceptions that >>you have regarding storytelling, but not in boring overly analytical >>way.I'd definitely recommend it to anyone weighing up whether to go see it. >> >>Richard > >I haven't seen it yet, but plan to. Still, my cynic's knee-jerk reaction >is that the gimmick has been done before. Must we be forced to remember >the Seinfeld episode whose scenes all ran in reverse order? It reminded me of Harold Pinter's BETRAYAL. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other. Eric Hoffer, _Reflections on the Human Condition_ [1973] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:01:35 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] april 1 on april 2 (ns) In a message dated 4/2/01 2:53:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark W Staples writes: << Imagine if R.E.M. had called it quits after MURMUR (equate ISN'T ANYTHING with the CHRONIC TOWN e.p.) Think about that. There would be all these MBV releases and nobody would care. I wonder which one would suck as bad as MONSTER. >> Don't ask me what I'm trying to say here. The workings of my mind are a mystery to even me. :O) Now, where'd I put that model airplane glue? M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:54:44 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Memento > I haven't seen it yet, but plan to. Still, my cynic's knee-jerk reaction > is that the gimmick has been done before. Must we be forced to remember > the Seinfeld episode whose scenes all ran in reverse order? I'm not a fan of MEMENTO, but the backwards storytelling has a somewhat different effect here than in other films: the protagonist of the film doesn't know what has happened recently in his life, and the backwards structure puts the audience in the same dilemma as each scene begins. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:19:05 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sacrilege from Chicago... I'll be sure to catch the Soft Boys tour when it hits Denver. D'oh!! It ain't coming anywhere near here! Who decides these things? Why *am* I married to Kurt Russell? Later. --Rog Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane ``Not every candle burns'' http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:43:32 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] april 1 on april 2 (ns) << Imagine if R.E.M. had called it quits after MURMUR (equate ISN'T ANYTHING with the CHRONIC TOWN e.p.) Think about that. There would be all these MBV releases and nobody would care. I wonder which one would suck as bad as MONSTER. >> Don't ask me what I'm trying to say here. The workings of my mind are a mystery to even me. >>>>>>>>> I took it to mean, "REM only released two good albums, Fables of the Reconstruction and Monster, while My Bloody Valentine didn't release any good albums at all. But, both groups have managed to attract major followings far out of proportion to their actual musical importance." But I could be projecting. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon This weekend, MTV featured an "M2 Artists to Watch" special. I liked the bands Doves and Creeper Lagoon. Does anyone have information on them? Are their latest albums worth purchasing? Grazie, jon ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:49:01 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V1 #18 Jason Long wrote: > Indeed the CDs were for the last swap -- sorry it took me so long to get > them out to you. I've been such a slacker lately. I've got no problem with that. Thanks for the CD's, Jason. :) > Speaking of swaps and slacking, I still owe a couple of reviews. I > swear, sometime this week, or the weekend at the latest... And I still need to hear Dan Sallitt's tape and review it. Don't fret, Dan, hopefully I'll get to do that sometime this month. :) So much music, so little time. Toodlepip, - -Stef Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:01:00 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Jon Gabriel wrote: > This weekend, MTV featured an "M2 Artists to Watch" > special. I liked the bands Doves and Creeper Lagoon. > Does anyone have information on them? Are their latest > albums worth purchasing? This me on the subject of Creeper Lagoon. 6.8 is closer to "I'll keep listening to it after the review is done" (7) than (6) "a nice pleasant listen" Creeper Lagoon Take Back the Universe and Give Me Yesterday (DreamWorks) 6.8 Creeper Lagoon's latest finds them poised almost perfectly between the epic sweep of Radiohead (the rock band that made _The Bends_, not the quasi-ambient outfit that made _Kid A_) and the big-guitar-anthem swagger and lyrical naivete of Soul Asylum (before _Grave Dancer's Union_ made them too much money to keep writing good songs). It's got the sort of big expansive production that proclaims it a candidate for "Next Big Thing." It overstays its welcome a little bit, and when the massed backing vocals start to remind me of Queen I stop nodding along, but when this is firing on all cylinders, as it does on about half it the thirteen tracks, and most especially on "Up All Night," "Dead Man Saloon" and "Wrecking Ball," it's hard to sit still to. They're opening for Guided by Voices at the moment, which sounds like it could be a great bill, although Austin's Spoon have the opening slot for GBV in DC. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:15:57 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon At 12:43 PM 4/2/01 -0700, Jon Gabriel wrote: >This weekend, MTV featured an "M2 Artists to Watch" >special. I liked the bands Doves and Creeper Lagoon. >Does anyone have information on them? Are their latest >albums worth purchasing? Creeper Lagoon's new album isn't out for a couple weeks yet, but I really liked their last one, I BECOME SMALL AND GO. It sort of sounded to me like what Dinosaur Jr. would have sounded like if J. Mascis had put down the bong long enough to properly finish his songs and pay attention to the production, with maybe just a hint of Beck in the way they use samples and beats. Doug's namechecks of Radiohead and Soul Asylum suggests that the new one sounds a *lot* different, and the references scare me. Frustratingly, they're touring with Guided By Voices right now, but they leave the tour after the San Diego show, which is a couple days before the Albuquerque GBV show. Feh. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:29:26 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] music ID needed hey - found this animation a long time ago and loved it - couldn't find the music, tho. last night, i heard the same exact orchestration in Tombstone, of all places. yes, the Wyatt Earp movie. check this out, and if you know what the tune is, please let me know. this link is direct to the file, so you shouldn't have to log in or anything, but it's not framed, so the edges look a little funky. http://www.atomfilms.com/movies/flash/jack_picklebutt.swf thanks! - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:32:49 -0700 From: "Jeff Brenneman" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Creeper Lagoon i saw creeper lagoon open for stephen malmus at canes in san diego march 14th and i thought the were pretty cool although they were "very high on weed brownies" or maybe they cool because of the fact. either way, we had a great time. the music was pretty cool. soul asylum came to mind during the show. someone yelled out for the pixies song at the end of fight club What was that called?) and proceeded to play a very cool yet impromptu version to the roar of the crowd. later, jeff >From: Stewart Mason >To: loud-fans@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:15:57 -0600 > >At 12:43 PM 4/2/01 -0700, Jon Gabriel wrote: > >This weekend, MTV featured an "M2 Artists to Watch" > >special. I liked the bands Doves and Creeper Lagoon. > >Does anyone have information on them? Are their latest > >albums worth purchasing? > >Creeper Lagoon's new album isn't out for a couple weeks yet, but I really >liked their last one, I BECOME SMALL AND GO. It sort of sounded to me like >what Dinosaur Jr. would have sounded like if J. Mascis had put down the >bong long enough to properly finish his songs and pay attention to the >production, with maybe just a hint of Beck in the way they use samples and >beats. > >Doug's namechecks of Radiohead and Soul Asylum suggests that the new one >sounds a *lot* different, and the references scare me. > >Frustratingly, they're touring with Guided By Voices right now, but they >leave the tour after the San Diego show, which is a couple days before the >Albuquerque GBV show. 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I could be wrong, but it would be a starting point. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:12 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] music ID needed you rock. thank you! - -- brianna bradley - -----Original Message----- From: John Swartzentruber [mailto:jswartz@rica.net] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:44 PM To: bbradley@namesecure.com; loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music ID needed On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:29:26 -0700, bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: >check this out, and if you know what the tune is, please let me know. I think it is "Dans Macabre" by Saint-Saens (??). Every year in elementary school we saw a filmstrip at halloween with this as the soundtrack. I could be wrong, but it would be a starting point. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:15:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon > Frustratingly, they're touring with Guided By Voices right now, but they > leave the tour after the San Diego show, which is a couple days before the > Albuquerque GBV show. Feh. > > S I saw them with GBV on Saturday, and thought they were pretty good. It was the first I'd heard of them, but I liked their set enough that they've made it on the "to buy" list. To pick up on an earlier discussion related to GBV, there was no Pink Floyd played between bands, Animals or otherwise. The only song I recognized was by Mojave 3. How to sum up seeing GBV? About half-way through the 2 hour and 40 minute set, Pollard stops and asks someone how much tickets for the show were. He says, "$13.50? That's not bad...let's see, with 57 songs on the set list, that's more than four songs per dollar! That's not bad at all!" Has he been using that bit elsewhere, or was this fresh for Portland? - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:53:21 -0400 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Memento At 01:54 PM 4/2/01 -0500, you wrote: > > I haven't seen it yet, but plan to. Still, my cynic's knee-jerk reaction > > is that the gimmick has been done before. Must we be forced to remember > > the Seinfeld episode whose scenes all ran in reverse order? > >I'm not a fan of MEMENTO, but the backwards storytelling has a somewhat >different effect here than in other films: the protagonist of the film >doesn't know what has happened recently in his life, and the backwards >structure puts the audience in the same dilemma as each scene begins. - >Dan I just remembered another movie, albeit a comedy, that uses the same premise in a way (though the story does progress linearly). Who could forget the amnesiac-detective-story that starred Dana Carvey that IS "Clean Slate"? A friend also mentioned a Harold Pinter play whose name eludes me at the moment... but apparently it's about three lovers and their attendant breakups, and the play begins with a break-up and progresses backwards so the players get happier and happier as the play progresses. Interesting... (the other) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:01:32 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Underwater Moonlight >Would somebody care to explain 24-bit remastering, and how it differs from >other remasterings, to me technopeasant? I'm still getting the weekend's messages in random order, thanks to a little MIS boo-boo on our end, so forgive me if someone has answered this already. A CD has 16 bits per sample. Using 24-bit audio for the initial transfer and all intermediate processing steps, and then dithering to 16 bits at the end, sounds better than doing everything at the 16-bit level, because the quantization error is minimized at each step and the dither algorithm eliminates what remains. Plus you have the 24-bit version to release on DVD-A if that ever becomes desirable. Every digital audio workstation on the market can do 24-bit audio now, so there's really no excuse for doing a mastering job any other way. I don't think anyone bothers to mention it on the packaging any more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:19:31 -0700 From: dorseycc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Memento on 4/2/01 4:53 PM, Dan McCarthy at endxmit@yahoo.com wrote: > At 01:54 PM 4/2/01 -0500, you wrote: >>> I haven't seen it yet, but plan to. Still, my cynic's knee-jerk reaction >>> is that the gimmick has been done before. Must we be forced to remember >>> the Seinfeld episode whose scenes all ran in reverse order? >> >> I'm not a fan of MEMENTO, but the backwards storytelling has a somewhat >> different effect here than in other films: the protagonist of the film >> doesn't know what has happened recently in his life, and the backwards >> structure puts the audience in the same dilemma as each scene begins. - >> Dan I'm curious-what didn't you like about it? I think it did a pretty good job of creating a feeling of the present with just few links to the past with just notes or photos. It's a little gimmicky but I enjoyed it. Maybe the sequel will shed some more light on who everyone really was! I still don't know if there was any justice in this story. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:22:43 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Doves, Creeper Lagoon In a message dated 4/2/01 4:13:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dmw@radix.net writes: << Does anyone have information on them? Are their latest > albums worth purchasing? >> Creeper Lagoon...don't have a clue about them. I liked the Doves album LOST SOULS...it has a lot of atmosphere and a certain kind of tension that I enjoyed...a sophisticated vibe, like New Order or Kitchens of Distinction. - -Mark, who threw a knee out dancing about architecture ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #19 ******************************