From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #12 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, March 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 012 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] Best Video Store in America? ["Aaron Milenski] [loud-fans] Simon & Garfarkel [Tom Marcinko ] [loud-fans] The Lullabies of Only Linda [Tom Marcinko ] [loud-fans] The children's hour [Tom Marcinko ] [loud-fans] What reading Hunter Davies makes you sing to your kid [Tom Ma] [loud-fans] safe home/nightblooms (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] Kid's music?? (& more Ida-latry) ["David Raposa" ] Re: [loud-fans] Kid's music?? (& more Ida-latry) [Dana L Paoli ] RE: [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] Best Video Store in America?(& ot her stuff) [Larry Tucker ] [loud-fans] test - no content ["BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" ] Re: [loud-fans] a few things... [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] Re: [loud-fans] a few things... [Dan Schmidt ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: Wall of Sleep ["BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2] Re: [loud-fans] a few things... ["BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs] [loud-fans] Las Vegas observations [Jbr21122@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] RE: Wall of Sleep ["Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] Best Video Store in America? >Never been to Seattle, but the best video store in America, as I see it, is >Four Star Video, in my current place of residence, Madison, WI. Although, >if >Video Vault in Alexandria, VA is still in business, they would give Four >Star a run for the money. I've been to Seattle a bunch of times, but somehow never knew about Scarecrow and missed it. However, I can't opssibly believe that there could be a better video store anywhere than the Video Vault. It is absolutely mindblowing. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:19:36 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: [loud-fans] Simon & Garfarkel Thanks, Mark. Sounds like a good one. I wonder if "I Only Have Eyes for You" is on it. >In a message dated 3/12/01 1:03:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, >tomaq@mindspring.com writes: > ><< Can anybody recommend (a) any music in general that kids > seem to like or (b) anything made especially for kids that isn't too -- > you know -- annoying ... ? >> >There's an Art Garfunkel album out on Sony Wonder called FROM A PARENT TO A >CHILD, or something along those lines. I've got it, but I can't remember the >title exactly. Art's kid is on the cover with him, looking suspiciously (and >cutely) like a mini version of dad, about as tall as Paul Simon! he-he >-Mark >np Tram FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS _______________________________________________ Tom Marcinko mailto:tomaq@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:24:05 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: [loud-fans] The Lullabies of Only Linda Jim, sounds like a good one -- thanks. Gee, I really like the idea of "In My Room" as a children's song. Alex Chilton's cover of "I Want to Pick You Up" from CAROLINE NOW! is going on the first mix tape, too, if I ever get around to it. (If you don't know the song, relax; it's not about THAT kind of picking up...) >In a message dated 3/11/2001 10:03:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, >tomaq@mindspring.com writes: > > >>This discussion on the passe-ness of the cutting edge put me in mind of a >>question I've been meaning to ask since my wife and I had a new arrival, >>four months ago. Can anybody recommend (a) any music in general that kids >>seem to like or (b) anything made especially for kids that isn't too -- >>you know -- annoying ... ? > >We've received Linda Ronstadt's DEDICATED TO THE ONE I LOVE as a gift; as >far as children's recordings go, I'd say it's pretty good. Rock standards >covered as lullabies. Songs include: title track, Be My Baby, Angel Baby, >Good Night (Beatles), In My Room, Devoted To You, Baby I Love You, among >others. Oh yeah, you haven't lived until you've heard We Will Rock You >done as a lullaby.. > >. > Anyway, we've sent out copies to couples we know with new additions to >the > family. Matty seems to like it, he quiets down when it starts. > >Paternally, >Jim Robson > _______________________________________________ Tom Marcinko mailto:tomaq@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:08:47 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: [loud-fans] Dad's little napster >In a message dated 3/12/01 1:03:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, >tomaq@mindspring.com writes: > > > >What I've found so far: The light classical stuff that helped calm my wife >down during pregnancy also seems to be something young Damon likes. > >Then again, the first time at home I really had to work to rock him to >sleep occurred during the Sat. Night Live rerun with the Smithereens >singing "A Girl Like You." So I guess you never know. > >He seems to like Leo Kottke, too. > >Will any of this make him smarter? Please advise. > > > > >Try They Might Be Giants, especially Birdhouse In Your Soul. They have a >large kids following, and their album Why Does The Sun Shine, is their kids >album, and is also meant to make them learn a few things, like the title >question. That definitely goes on the list. >I don't know if hard this is to get, but wxpn.org has a kids show called >Kids >Corner. If it's available I would get their CD that features Suddenly Beth >(Sorentino from Suddenly Tammy) and Cathy. Cathy the host of the show, Cathy >O' Donnell, doing Pierre from Carol King's Really Rosie album. Any Kids >Corner CD is good, but this version is great. I used to live in Philly and I remember the show. Probably available through the XPN web site? Every time I go back for a visit and turn on that station, they seem more watered-down, but still better than anything we have in Arizona. (Oh, of course -- you're the Andrea who sent me an XPN sampler tape!) >And if you can find Carol >King's version of Really Rosie, grab it, it's great. And Free To be, You And >Me, a 70's variety special hosted by Lily Tomlin that will make kids think. >It's very PC, will make your kid a feminist. I don't have kids, but the >70's >albums I'm mentioning did a lot for me as a kid, and it's nice that there is >a show that does just that for kids today. The show is on streaming audio, >at >7 PM EST, and you may want to listen to it. It's a lot of fun. I'll definitely look that up. Anything that goes against the current political climate... - --Tom >Andrea _______________________________________________ Tom Marcinko mailto:tomaq@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:04:39 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: [loud-fans] The children's hour Thanks for the reply, Michael, and I'm sorry it took so long for me to respond. (Which also goes for the rest of you.) >On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Tom Marcinko wrote: > >> This discussion on the passe-ness of the cutting edge put me in mind of a >> question I've been meaning to ask since my wife and I had a new arrival, >> four months ago. Can anybody recommend (a) any music in general that kids >> seem to like or (b) anything made especially for kids that isn't too -- >> you know -- annoying ... ? > >I don't have kids myself, but I do have a rather large handful of nieces >and nephews. So I have a few recommendations. First is Raffi. Kids >definitely dig him, and I'm child enough to admit that he occasionally >does do a song which goes beyond tolerable to being one I actually like. >(He does one song about respecting Native Americans that I like. >Curiously enough--and I swear this is true--this song is on the >back side of my dubbed tape of Interbabe Concern.) My main reference point for Raffi is The Simpsons episode where the baby translator offers "Please turn off that Raffi record." But ... maybe I'll give him a try. >I also highly recommend The Muppets Greatest Hits. No CD collection is >complete without "The Rhyming Song." That I could probably enjoy. >My nieces and nephews will seem to accept just about any music as long as >it has a clear melody and isn't distortedly loud. Too late to save my guy from that. He doesn't actually seem to mind loud music so much. The other day he was acting up in the car seat, so I switched off the Diane Rehm show and put in "Magical Mystery Tour." He was asleep by "Flying." >But the truth is, with >only a few exceptions (B-52s Rock lobster), the only music they get >excited about is "kids music." If that by definition to you is annoying >music, you might be out of luck. But within kids music, I do think Raffi >is good. And Sesame Street, but you knew that. One of my Xmas presents was the Rhino "Brain in a Box" 5-CD collection of sci-fi related tunes (a perfect gift; I love it but I probably would never have bought it for myself). I was wondering why the B-52s' "Planet Claire" was on the "Novelty" disc while Nilsson's "Spaceman" was on "Pop/Rock." Oh, well, a subtle distinction... >> Will any of this make him smarter? Please advise. > >There is (still) all this talk about Mozart making kids smarter, but there >isn't any truth to it. The person who did the research which started the >whole Mozart thing refused to release her data to other academics, and >researchers haven't been able to repeat her results. What is true, >though, is that learning a musical instrument will make you better at >math. That bears out my family experience. I'm the only one who's never played, and I'm the most math-impaired. >--Michael, who fears he may go down in Loud-fan infamy as the first person >to discuss Raffi on-list. _______________________________________________ Tom Marcinko mailto:tomaq@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:18:21 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: [loud-fans] What reading Hunter Davies makes you sing to your kid George@sentience.com wrote: >Congratulations on becoming a parent. My son just turned two last >week, and all I can say is it has been both the longest and shortest >two years of my life. And maybe the best two years of my life as >well. When Owen was a newborn, I would play a lot of classical for >him (mostly Mozart, Bach and Haydn;I though Beethoven would be too >intense) and he seemed to enjoy it. At least he didn't cry. Thanks, George. Yeah, Damon seems to prefer *light* classical. After too much NPR or CNN or SciFi Channel sometimes I'll put on the Direct TV music channels. We both like the screen saver, too. >But he never really got off on any of that either. Then I made the >realization that his brain really can't process complicated music. >Give him three chords repeated forever and he is happy. A future Ramones fan, no doubt. (Like Dad.) >Give him >point/counterpoint, intro's and bridges and he is interested but not >fascinated. I doubt any child really has a higher IQ from listening >to Mozart, but I do know that my son is much happier listening to >Raffi than the "Goldburg Variations". > >The key to not getting to bothered by any of these songs is to put >them on mix tapes. Many mixed tapes. At least two for each car. This >way you will never hear Big Bird, Elmo or Raffi more than a couple of >times in a row. > >This strategy will work until your child learns to say speak, at >which time he will demand to hear the same song over and over and >over again. Right now the only song my son wants to hear is "Rubber >Duckie" so I've heard it about 50 times this last week. Believe it or >not there are benefits to playing the song that many times, and they >will make themselves obvious to you when the time comes. Yes, he's a little young yet to make his preferences that well known. I think I need the baby translator... >Here is a partial list of music that rocks my son's world. > >Raffi - "Baby Beluga", "Wheels on the Bus" and "Down by the Bay". >These are three classics all children love; and they are easily >available on Napster to preview. I remember when my son was just >teaching himself to stand up on his own, "Baby Beluga" came up on one >of the mix tapes I has made for him. The song literally carried him >away. He stood up, closed his eyes and started bobbing up and down >all the way through the song. > >I was so proud I almost cried. Here was my son for the first time >getting completely carried away by a song, just as I have time and >time again. I always kind of worried he would be one of those people >who just don't give a damn about the songs they hear. What a huge >relief to find out music was going to move him. > >Sesame Street - Platinum and Platinum Too. >Both of these collections are good, the first one a little better >since it has "Rubber Ducky", "Fuzzy and Blue" and "C is for Cookie"; >all of which kids love. > >Muppets - "Bein' Green", "Rainbow Connection", "All Together Now" >Muppet discs are getting hard to find new, but the used market is jam >packed. My son really digs these three songs, and yes, "All Together >Now" is the Beatles song from Yellow Submarine. And a swell version >to boot. > >Ida - You Are My Flower >This is a charity set by wonderful indie act Ida. This is maybe the >most relaxing collection of kids songs I have ever heard. I never >tire of it. > >Miscellaneous songs: >Danny Kaye - "The Ugly Duckling" >Joni Mitchell - "Circle Game" >Cat Stevens - "If you want to sing out, sing out" >The Beatles - "Yellow Submarine", "Twist and Shout" I was singing "Twist and Shout" to him just this morning! Years ago it occurred to me that a lot of Beatles songs are future nursery rhymes. And I plan to screen "Yellow Submarine" for a 4-year-old friend next time she visits. I watched it myself about a month ago & I still thought it was funny and charming. Very true to the spirit of the Beatles, considering how little involvement they had with the movie. I can understand why they supervised the DVD so closely -- it'll probably be future generations' first impression of them for some time to come. >Julie Andres - "Do-Re-Me" >Shawn Colvin - "I Don't want to live on the Moon" >Woody Guthrie - "Car Song", "This Land is Your Land" > >I hope this helps. Let me know what works for you. Don't expect >miracles until your child is about six to eight months old. > >--Lurker George > >ps. If you would like me to make you a mix tape, just ask. I would >love to evangelize some of these songs. George, if it's not too much trouble, I'd love that! Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ Tom Marcinko mailto:tomaq@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:10:38 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] safe home/nightblooms (ns) I'm not sure how important this will be to others, but flying way under the radar, a Safe Home ep and 7" single have come out on Sunday records: www.sundayrecords.com (then click on "news" in the quick links section/upper right corner) and there are sound samples on the site. Check out, especially, "Dear Dusty." Safe Home are the new band from the Nightblooms' Esther Sprikkelman, who has one of the prettiest voices that I've ever heard. The Nightblooms were, IMHO, one of the best and most overlooked indie bands of the '90s and have a fairly amusing group history here: http://home.wanadoo.nl/baytree/fierce/nightblooms/nightblooms.htm#top The new stuff sounds a lot like some of the Nightblooms' slower softer songs . On the one hand, I'm a little sad that they seem to have left behind the noisy side of the band, as Esther's voice sounded lovely floating above a wall of guitars, but I'm so happy that she's returned to releasing records that I won't complain too much. As far as I can tell, this is not being carried by Parasol, CDNOW or Amazon. Way to go, Sunday Records!! Album is apparently due later this year. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:05:34 -0500 From: "David Raposa" Subject: [loud-fans] Kid's music?? (& more Ida-latry) ** ><< Can anybody recommend (a) any music in general that kids ** > seem to like or (b) anything made especially for kids that isn't too -- ** > you know -- annoying ... ? >> Sorry if this thread has already been buried, but I'd be remiss if I didn't recommend _You Are My Flower_. It's a collection of songs performed by Liz Mitchell & Dan Littleton (of Ida fame), and it's marvelous. There are some samples available @ http://www.youaremyflower.org. There's plans for a 2nd CD of similar stuff, but I wouldn't know when that will be. Here's what members of Ida are (supposedly or definitively) doing in the near future: - releasing _The Braille Night_ (May 2001) on Tigerstyle Records - offer band-sanctioned recordings of live Ida shows - recording a bunch of cover song that feature "Don't" in the title (w/ members of Low & His Name Is Alive) - solo albums from Dan, Liz, & Karla Schickele - recording vocals for the Jenny Toomey / Franklin Bruno musical that's been in the works since the early '90s Ah, I see that someone DID mention the Ida album. Ah, well - redundancy isn't necessarily a bad thing. By the way - Karla Schickele is playing the Flywheel (http://www.flywheelarts.org) this evening w/ her brother (Matt Schickele) & the Malarkies. All three of these performers are talented beyond their years & means, and it should be an enjoyable evening. (I'm debating on whether to go or not, but that's only because I'm exhausted beyond my means & years.) If you're curious, there's musical info on these folks @ either http://www.mussmyhair.com or http://www.tigerstylerecords.com. Anyone go to the show @ the Middle East last week, perchance? you'll like the ride, daver. http://www.popshots.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:13:32 -0500 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: Jen Trynin **Whatever happened to Jen Trynin, anyway? She did go back to school, but was also burned out with the music biz after getting the go-round on Warners. She's started to pop up again; she had a track on the Q Divsion Xmas album in '00. Lately she's in a band called Loveless (with Dave Wannamaker, ex-Expanding Man), but she only does guitar and backing vocals. Word has it she'll be playing her own set at next month's benefits for Mikey Dee (popular Boston DJ/scenester recently hospitalized with a stroke). The dream bill seems to be Kay Hanley, Tracy Bonham and her. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:51:29 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Kid's music?? (& more Ida-latry) - - recording a bunch of cover song that feature "Don't" in the title (w/ members of Low & His Name Is Alive) >>>>>>> One rainy, boring day, years ago, my co-workers and I at the Strand Bookstore started compiling a list of songs beginning with the word "Don't" and were amazed by the results. I wonder if any other word comes close? Maybe "Baby"? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:21:27 EST From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] Best Video Store in America?(& other stuff) Russ K. could probably second this (maybe?), but Casa Video in Tucson is pretty damn awesome. You can rent by mail from them, too. And it's the last place I know of that still has "D.O.A." (that Sex Pistols documentary) and X' s "The Unheard Music". I don't think even Facets in Chicago can lay claim to that. http://www.casavideo.com/cgi-bin/casavideo.storefront Don Herzfeldt's "Rejected" really should have won the Oscar for Best Animated Short Subject. Oh, and Sundazed is now taking pre-orders on their site for the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band reissues, so their release probably is not too far off. I just found out not only is John Wesley Harding opening for The Soft Boys' show at The Metro (in Chicago), but Bongzilla are going to be one of the openers for Electric Wizard over at the Double Door that same night. Anyone know any physics-defying tricks for being in two places at once? Fairies wear boots, you've gotta believe me, Just some guy named Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:25:32 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis Subject: [loud-fans] loud-fans will be down Thursday Hi, I've just received word from the smoe guys that smoe will be down all day this Thursday while it is moved to a new location. I guess if the move goes smoothly, loud-fans will be back up the next day. - -- - --- Dennis Sacks dennis@illusions.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:41:49 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] Best Video Store in America?(& other stuff) JSGNMike: >Russ K. could probably second this (maybe?), but Casa Video in Tucson is >pretty damn awesome. You betcha. We're not regular video renters and so don't have a whole lot of comparisons to make, but we can waste more time in Casa than any other video place we've ever been to. Don't even go there unless you've got a couple hours to spend looking at stuff. Yet another thing we're missing the longer we're away from Tucson. Russ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:43:58 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] Best Video Store in America?(& other stuff) JsgnMike sez: I just found out not only is John Wesley Harding opening for The Soft Boys' show at The Metro (in Chicago), but Bongzilla are going to be one of the openers for Electric Wizard over at the Double Door that same night. Anyone know any physics-defying tricks for being in two places at once? <><><><><><><><><> The thing I was thinking, and I'm going to confirm this this evening, was that since the Metro is a disco, they'll probably try to have the Soft Boys show over earlier, making it theoretically possible to cut across town to the DD, which is strictly a rock club, and whose shows invariably go on 'til bar time, or thereabout. So who all else is planning on going to see the Metro Soft Boys show? in your overalls, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:55:19 -0500 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: Wall of Sleep ^^Another idle thought: Fulks has written a song about Hoffs, Pat DiNizio has written a song about Michael Steele ("Behind The Wall Of Sleep") - has anyone ever written a song about either of the Petersen sisters? Nope, "Wall of Sleep" was actually about a Boston musician that Pat had a crush on-- Kim Ernst, bass player for the Bristols. She really did look a lot like Jeannie Shrimpton in those days, and still kinda does. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:03:44 -0500 From: Larry Tucker Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] Best Video Store in America?(& ot her stuff) |-----Original Message----- |From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com [mailto:Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] |Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:44 PM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] Best Video Store in America?(& |other stuff) | | |JsgnMike sez: | |I just found out not only is John Wesley Harding opening for |The Soft Boys' |show at The Metro (in Chicago), but Bongzilla are going to be |one of the |openers for Electric Wizard over at the Double Door that same |night. Anyone |know any physics-defying tricks for being in two places at once? | |<><><><><><><><><> | |The thing I was thinking, and I'm going to confirm this this |evening, was that |since the Metro is a disco, they'll probably try to have the |Soft Boys show over |earlier, making it theoretically possible to cut across town |to the DD, which is |strictly a rock club, and whose shows invariably go on 'til |bar time, or |thereabout. | |So who all else is planning on going to see the Metro Soft Boys show? | |in your overalls, |--Dennis You absolutley, definitely, postively, DON'T want to miss the Soft Boys on this tour. They were nothing short of incredible when I saw them earlier in Baltimore. Their setlists vary a lttle every night and Robyn's writing new songs as they tour and performing some of them. K-Rew will blow you away. Also for those that don't know Matthew is keeping a tour diary that's amusing at www.underwatermoonlight.com - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:50:43 -0800 From: Bob Lloyd Subject: [loud-fans] Ghost World At Monday 3/26/2001 12:37 AM, Stewart wrote: >"Ghost World" -- Aimee Mann > >Certainly my favorite Aimee Mann song since the second Til Tuesday album, >probably my favorite ever. This chorus is the textbook definition of >"melancholy longing." Agree with Stewart. Tying it to the "rhyme crime" thread, she uses the "moon, June" rhyme, but cleverly redeems it with specificity: 12th of June A gibbous moon Was this the longest day? Does anyone know if this song may have been inspired by the "Ghost World" serial in "Eightball" comics? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:12:01 -0600 (CST) From: "BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" Subject: [loud-fans] test - no content ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:33:36 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a few things... CJ informs: current favorite lyrics are by Shaggy on that "Angel of the Morning" swipe. I might not have it exactly right, but the important part is there. I suppose it's likely that many of you haven't heard this one. It's one of the curses of driving other peoples' cars. You are my angel of the morning, baby Closer than my peeps you are to me, angel - -I think someone mentioned my other favorite lyrics in a post once. Eminem, with the sweetest rhyme ever: I am what I say I am and if I wasn't, why would I say I am? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> So in the former case, it would seem that we've actually reached an age where "'scuse me while I kiss this guy"-style mishearings actually *become* the songs. Regarding the latter, it sounds to me like he's swiping from that Puff Popeye song (I forget the title, but it's the one with the sample from that Edie Brickell song of the envelope-filtered guitar that sounds exactly like Jerry Garcia's lick from "Estimated Prophet" (hence anyone ever listening to Edie Brickell in the first place)) where the chorus goes: "I am who am." "well, Eminem, maybe 'to lie' is your nature", - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: 27 Mar 2001 16:51:43 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a few things... Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com writes: | CJ informs: | | -I think someone mentioned my other favorite lyrics in a post once. Eminem, | with the sweetest rhyme ever: | | I am what I say I am and if I wasn't, why would I say I am? | | <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> | | Regarding the latter, it sounds to me like he's swiping from that | Puff Popeye song (I forget the title, but it's the one with the | sample from that Edie Brickell song of the envelope-filtered guitar | that sounds exactly like Jerry Garcia's lick from "Estimated | Prophet" (hence anyone ever listening to Edie Brickell in the first | place)) where the chorus goes: "I am who am." Maybe he's just referencing Exodus 3:14. Which reminds me of this quote from Thomas Pynchon's MASON AND DIXON: "Aye, some of us have never seen him, only heard his steps on the nights when there is no Moon, or his voice, speaking from above the only words he knows,- 'Eye asher Eye' " - in on which, in Tones hush'd, the others now join. "That is, 'I am that which I am' ", helpfully translates a somehow nautical-looking Indiv. with gigantick Fore-Arms, and one Eye ever a-Squint from the Smoke of his Pipe. - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:14:05 -0600 (CST) From: "BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Wall of Sleep On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Brett Milano wrote: > ^^Another idle thought: Fulks has written a song about Hoffs, Pat DiNizio > has written a song about Michael Steele ("Behind The Wall Of Sleep") - has > anyone ever written a song about either of the Petersen sisters? And all these years I thought it was called "Behind the Wool of Sheep" and was about...uh, Gene Wilder in that Woody Allen movie. Furthermore, isn't there a Black Sabbath song with a similar title? Joe? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ np: The Causey Way _Causey vs. Everything_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:19:45 -0600 (CST) From: "BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a few things... On 27 Mar 2001, Dan Schmidt wrote: > | CJ informs: > | > | -I think someone mentioned my other favorite lyrics in a post once. Eminem, > | with the sweetest rhyme ever: > | > | I am what I say I am and if I wasn't, why would I say I am? > Maybe he's just referencing Exodus 3:14. > > Which reminds me of this quote from Thomas Pynchon's MASON AND DIXON: > > "Aye, some of us have never seen him, only heard his steps on the > nights when there is no Moon, or his voice, speaking from above the > only words he knows,- 'Eye asher Eye' " - in on which, in Tones > hush'd, the others now join. > > "That is, 'I am that which I am' ", helpfully translates a somehow > nautical-looking Indiv. with gigantick Fore-Arms, and one Eye ever > a-Squint from the Smoke of his Pipe. Yep - that was one of two jokes Pynchon stole from me in that novel (I unhelpfully forget the other one). Not directly, of course - only that I'd thought of the Popeye/Exodus coincidence years ago... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:36:17 EST From: Jbr21122@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Las Vegas observations Basically spent Saturday in Lost Wages (a reunion with my Dad, featuring my sisters), when I happened on a couple of things I found interesting. One was a sign for *Legends* that pertained to a show of female impersonators, featuring Frank Marino *as* Joan Rivers. Had to stifle a chuckle thinking about how he'd gone from fronting Mahogany Rush to *being* Joan Rivers. Another was a store named *Rose of Sharon (Sizes 14 and up).* I'm betting any Rose of Sharon-time with expanding sizes shouldn't be that *hard to find.* Yours Exponentially, Jim Robson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:00:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Wall of Sleep On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs wrote: > > ^^Another idle thought: Fulks has written a song about Hoffs, Pat DiNizio > > has written a song about Michael Steele ("Behind The Wall Of Sleep") - has > > anyone ever written a song about either of the Petersen sisters? > > Furthermore, isn't there a Black Sabbath song with a similar title? Joe? Exactly the same title, from their first album. I thought it was a cover when I saw the title on ESPECIALLY FOR YOU. Has anyone heard anything by Electric Wizard? Thoughts? Word is they're very Sabslike. You have awoken, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:27:52 -0800 From: Cindy Alvarez Subject: [loud-fans] (review) Semi-Literate Poppy Stuff As I am in the habit of listening to perfectly good stuff, hating it, and only a few listens later coming to my senses, I thought I'd give George's CD for me, "Semi-Literate Poppy Stuff" a few rotation before writing it. 1) Living Life - Kathy McCarty This may seem an unfair criticism to levy against a song, but this falls firmly into the category of MBM (my boyfriend's music). Very listenable, but too girly-acoustic for my personal taste. 2) Meet Me on the Ledge - Continental Drifters This has a lovely sleepy quality. Like the Beatles' Blue Album or anything Crowded House, it has the feel of just-barely-tipsiness. Is all of their stuff like this? I need more mellow drinking music. 3) I Want to see the Bright Lights Tonight - Ida Another pleasantly sleepy song. Good work listening. 4) Eight Miles High - Crowded House Did I mention Crowded House? Here they are! I love them, but don't yet have all of their stuff, so this song was new to me. Very good stuff. 5) Henry's in Love - Henry Badowski I love this song! Poppy, weird synth noises, that sort of Pet Shop Boys meets Rick Astley feel. Terrific stuff. 6) Porpoise Song - Wondermints I keep tuning this song out, probably because it's flanked by such standouts. 7) She May Call You Up Tonight - Ken Stringfellow Very catchy! I keep finding myself bopping along to this, which is mildly embarrassing since I work in an open office. Lyrics remind me of Franklin Bruno, although the voice is much more happy upbeat. Great song. 8) A Song to Pass the Time - Bright Eyes Lapse back into pleasant sleepiness. "They are sad in their suburbs / the robots water the lawn" is a great visual. 9) When Will I Be Loved - Sandy Denny / Linda Peters I have to confess, I saw this song title and cringed. But in vain - this is a great song. Has that Mag Fields sort of country feel. 10) This is Where I Belong - Frank Black Short, forceful, and energetic. Very nice. 11) Open the Door - Magnapop "Everything is good these days, but all of my friends are dying" is a really terrific opener to a song. Sort of a Lisa Loeb feel, but pleasantly less self-conscious and more weird. 12) Papa Was a Rodeo - Kelly Hogan / Pine Valley Cosmonauts Interesting to hear a version of this song so much softer and gentler. I am normally a huge fan of covers, but this is one of the few songs that just doesn't quite seem right sung by anyone else. When I saw the Mag Fields in SF, Claudia performed this song instead of Stephin, and I was surprisingly irked. Interesting how the background keyboarding feels so loyal to the MF sound, though. 13) Optimism - Life Another good, solid song. 14) Baby I Can't Please You - Sam Phillips Girly and acoustic but succeeds with flying colors nonetheless. Love the Indian sitar feel that creeps into the acoustic guitar bridges. 15) I See A Darkness - Johnny Cash I guess every CD needs that one track that you skip through. 16) The Dark End of the Street - James Carr Very classic, beautifully executed song. 17) Now I Wanna Sleep in Your Arms - The Feelies Real wake-up here! Very poppy. 18) Even Here We Are - Shawn Colvin Listened to this several times without recognizing the singer. After overhearing "sunny came home", I'd tend to be dismissive of SC, but this is a much more -interesting-, richer feeling song. Will have to listen to this now (Shawn Colvin is, of course, MBM). 19) Don't Fuck with Me - Jill Sobule Man, where was this song in college when I needed it? Now that I'm not really bitter enough to need it, although I still thoroughly enjoyed it. 20) Punk Rock T-Shirt Melting - Stew Another song that took a few listens to grow on me, but now I really like this. 21) Jennifer Eccles - Eels Absolutely terrific! Adorable and catchy. Reminds me of another Jennifer ode, the Lucksmiths "Jennifer Jason Leigh". 22) These Days - Fountains of Wayne Intro sounded suspiciously like Cat Stevens ... but no, it's Fountains of Wayne, and a good one. Another favorite group of mine, but this song's new to me. A great one. "I had a lover / but it's so hard to risk another" is a great line. All in all, excellent music to work by. cindy "American women in these sorts of shots have a huge number of teeth ... really, more than you'd think anyone would need - and they're big too, and they shine with brightness not normally seen outside Nuclear Reactor coolant plants. " - -- Robert van Tol, sigia-l ------------------------------ Date: 27 Mar 2001 18:39:26 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (review) Semi-Literate Poppy Stuff Cindy Alvarez writes: | 9) When Will I Be Loved - Sandy Denny / Linda Peters | I have to confess, I saw this song title and cringed. But in vain - this | is a great song. Has that Mag Fields sort of country feel. If this is the Everly Brothers tune, it is indeed great, although it suffers a little from having the same lyrics sung three times in a row or so. | 10) This Is Where I Belong - Frank Black | Short, forceful, and energetic. Very nice. He throws 22 great songs on TEENAGER OF THE YEAR, and some of the best ones show up as B sides! Have I told everyone to go buy DOG IN THE SAND enough times? np: STEPHEN MALKMUS, which I like a lot. It sort of feels halfway between Pavement and Beck (in his more MUTATIONS-y mode). - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:52:19 +0100 From: "md.robbins" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (review) Semi-Literate Poppy Stuff Cindy Alvarez wrote- > 7) She May Call You Up Tonight - Ken Stringfellow > Very catchy! I keep finding myself bopping along to this, which is mildly > embarrassing since I work in an open office. Lyrics remind me of Franklin > Bruno, although the voice is much more happy upbeat. Great song. > 'Catchy' and 'great' - so is this a cover of the Left Banke song? > > 22) These Days - Fountains of Wayne > Intro sounded suspiciously like Cat Stevens ... but no, it's Fountains of > Wayne, and a good one. > Another favorite group of mine, but this song's new to me. A great one. > "I had a lover / but it's so hard to risk another" is a great line. > The Nico version [on her first album - the weirdest folk rock], not to say the Jackson Browne 'original' version are great too. Great line, eh? You're not kidding. md ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:19:34 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (review) Semi-Literate Poppy Stuff Cindy Alvarez wrote: > 3) I Want to see the Bright Lights Tonight - Ida > Another pleasantly sleepy song. Good work listening. Originally by Richard and Linda Thompson > 4) Eight Miles High - Crowded House > Did I mention Crowded House? Here they are! I love them, but don't yet > have all of their stuff, so this song was new to me. Very good stuff. Isn't this by CH backing Roger McGuinn (Byrd House?) > 6) Porpoise Song - Wondermints > I keep tuning this song out, probably because it's flanked by such standouts. cover song (by Goffin/King, originally by the Monkees) > 7) She May Call You Up Tonight - Ken Stringfellow > Very catchy! I keep finding myself bopping along to this, which is mildly > embarrassing since I work in an open office. Lyrics remind me of Franklin > Bruno, although the voice is much more happy upbeat. Great song. Originally by the Left Banke. There's a Belle & Sebastian song on the swap tape Jon Gabriel just sent me ("The Model") that's such a hook, line, and sinker ripoff of "She May Call You Up Tonight" that they should've given Michael Brown a writing credit. > 9) When Will I Be Loved - Sandy Denny / Linda Peters > I have to confess, I saw this song title and cringed. But in vain - this > is a great song. Has that Mag Fields sort of country feel. Originally by the Everly Brothers.. This is from THE BUNCH album > 10) This is Where I Belong - Frank Black > Short, forceful, and energetic. Very nice. The Kinks song? > 17) Now I Wanna Sleep in Your Arms - The Feelies > Real wake-up here! Very poppy. Another cover song, originally by the Modern Lovers. Judging from people's reviews, George seems to put this on a lot of mixes! In case anyone is interested, the ORIGINAL MODERN LOVERS album (the version produced by Kim Fowley instead of John Cale) which includes the original "I Wanna Sleep In Your Arms", was just issued on CD. > 21) Jennifer Eccles - Eels > Absolutely terrific! Adorable and catchy. Reminds me of another Jennifer > ode, the Lucksmiths "Jennifer Jason Leigh". Yet another cover song (originally by the Hollies). Must be from SING HOLLIES IN REVERSE; isn't that by E (guy) not the Eels (group)? > 22) These Days - Fountains of Wayne > Intro sounded suspiciously like Cat Stevens ... but no, it's Fountains of > Wayne, and a good one. > Another favorite group of mine, but this song's new to me. A great one. > "I had a lover / but it's so hard to risk another" is a great line. Another cover song (originally by Jackson Browne). The first-recorded version of this is on Nico's CHELSEA GIRL, and it's also been covered by Heatmiser, Barbara Manning, and.. many more.. 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