From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #7 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, March 23 2001 Volume 01 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Yabba Dabba Do [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Yabba Dabba Do [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] Here Comes Everybody/Kid A(dorno) ["Jeff Downing" ] [loud-fans] anti-piracy software... [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] chemistry [AWeiss4338@aol.com] [loud-fans] Movie recommendation [Jer Fairall ] Re: [loud-fans] chemistry [Dan McCarthy ] Re: [loud-fans] Movie recommendation ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] chemistry [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] Crime and Punishment, or a long, sad story, a plea ["Bo] RE: [loud-fans] Yabba Dabba Do [Tim Victor ] [loud-fans] self-inflicted audio neuralgia ["BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail] Re: [loud-fans] chemistry ["BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" ] Re: [loud-fans] Crime and Punishment, or a long, sad story, a plea [Dana ] Re: [loud-fans] an entertainment ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:00:16 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Yabba Dabba Do William Hanna, creater of Tom & Jerry, and The Flinstones, died today at 90. All his cartoons, all favorites of mine when I was young, were great. How sad. Scooby Doobie Doo Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:26:49 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Yabba Dabba Do At 02:00 AM 3/23/01 EST, AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: >William Hanna, creater of Tom & Jerry, and The Flinstones, died today at 90. >All his cartoons, all favorites of mine when I was young, were great. How sad. What I found sad is that I just read in an obituary that Hanna was from Melrose, New Mexico, a tiny little town about 30 miles from my college home of Portales. I cannot tell you how many times I have driven through Melrose in the 12 years I've lived in this part of the country, and finding out that one of the innovators of animation--even if some of his innovations were in the long run not good for the art itself--doesn't even have a billboard or something is kind of depressing. I mean, Melrose is basically an Allsup's Convenience Store, a couple grain silos and a railroad yard. It's not like they've run out of room to put all the honors this town's residents have accumulated over the decades. Given how proud my own hometown of Denver City, Texas, is of its own most famous daughter, liquored-up has-been Tanya Tucker, you'd think there'd at least be a banner someplace in Melrose. Stewart NP: "On Green Dolphin Street"--Miles Davis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:23:37 -0600 From: "Jeff Downing" Subject: [loud-fans] Here Comes Everybody/Kid A(dorno) Mike wrote: "I think it's ultimately a James Joyce reference (from Finnegan's Wake?). I remember hearing that Joyce was referring to Catholicism with the phrase...." In other HCE news, I've heard that this is one of the titles that Wilco is kicking around for their new album, although "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" is the leading contender. Speaking of Fox Trot: http://www.theonion.com/onion3709/ask_a_cartoon_collection.html Also, I'm not sure how many Context readers there are in the bunch, but the latest edition features a Curtis White essay on Radiohead, pop as art, and the inadequacies of Nick Hornby as a reviewer. http://www.centerforbookculture.org/context/no6/white.html Even if you think Curt is completely off base here, I'd recommend checking out his novel, "Memories of My Father Watching TV." It's inventive, funny, and laced with numerous suckerpunches that left me wondering, "Should I really be laughing here?" Jeff Jeff Downing Attain, Inc. 1719 West End Avenue, Suite 808E Nashville, TN 37203 p: (615) 321-2500 e: jeff@attain-ed.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:27:37 -0800 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] Here comes them all... > ------------------------------ > > At 9:07 PM 3/22/1, Michael Zwirn wrote: > >I'm in Portland this week and noticed a club listing for a band called > >Here Comes Everybody. Is this a Scott Miller reference? > > Nope, it's a James Joyce reference (FINNEGAN'S WAKE). > > who's Curt?, > > > Matt > If I recall correctly, Wilco's next album will also be called "Here Comes Everybody". Again, Scott proves to be just a touch ahead of his time. Doug S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:27:37 -0800 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] Here comes them all... > ------------------------------ > > At 9:07 PM 3/22/1, Michael Zwirn wrote: > >I'm in Portland this week and noticed a club listing for a band called > >Here Comes Everybody. Is this a Scott Miller reference? > > Nope, it's a James Joyce reference (FINNEGAN'S WAKE). > > who's Curt?, > > > Matt > If I recall correctly, Wilco's next album will also be called "Here Comes Everybody". Again, Scott proves to be just a touch ahead of his time. Doug S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:21:58 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] chemistry I'm wondering if Semisonic's new CD is getting radio play, as their previous release did ("Closing Time" & "Secret Smile"). I think that people on this list might like "All About Chemistry" if they aren't bothered by some of the very mainstream elements in it. I didn't realize that Semisonic are the remains of Trip Shakespeare, and wouldn't have made the connection based on the Trip that I'd heard (years ago). Anyway, the new album is well-crafted powerish pop with very straightforward lyrics, which differentiate it from the likes of Fountains of Wayne or Ben Folds Five. I hear a strong '70's mainstream influence (Jackson Brown? Bread?) and wasn't surprised to see that one of the Semisonics picked Travis as his #1 of last year. But, the production is very 00's, with interesting drum treatments and lots of neat little synthesizer bits. And, as noted in their promotional materials, they know how to write a mean bridge. In a way, the album strikes me as what the loud family would have to sound like in order to be commercially successful. I have reservations, as I'm occasional reminded of songs like "The End of the Innocence" or other lite-radio fare, but somehow the production, the excellent vocals, and the lack of sarcasm/irony/jadedness of the whole project keep charming me back. It sounds better on headphones than over speakers, IMHO. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:37:29 -0800 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] anti-piracy software... this is kinda interesting: http://www.7amnews.com/2001/features/032101.shtml ad here's the site for the company who makes the product: http://www.ifpi.org/ - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:15:54 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chemistry In a message dated 3/23/01 1:07:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, dana-boy@juno.com writes: > I'm wondering if Semisonic's new CD is getting radio play, as their > previous release did ("Closing Time" & "Secret Smile"). I think that > people on this list might like "All About Chemistry" if they aren't > bothered by some of the very mainstream elements in it. I didn't realize > that Semisonic are the remains of Trip Shakespeare, and wouldn't have > made the connection based on the Trip that I'd heard (years ago). > > Anyway, the new album is well-crafted powerish pop with very > straightforward lyrics, which differentiate it from the likes of > Fountains of Wayne or Ben Folds Five. I hear a strong '70's mainstream > influence (Jackson Brown? Bread?) and wasn't surprised to see that one > of the Semisonics picked Travis as his #1 of last year. But, the > production is very 00's, with interesting drum treatments and lots of > neat little synthesizer bits. And, as noted in their promotional > materials, they know how to write a mean bridge. In a way, the album > strikes me as what the loud family would have to sound like in order to > be commercially successful. > > I have reservations, as I'm occasional reminded of songs like "The End of > the Innocence" or other lite-radio fare, but somehow the production, the > excellent vocals, and the lack of sarcasm/irony/jadedness of the whole > project keep charming me back. It sounds better on headphones than over > speakers, IMHO. > > As for radio play, at least around the NYC area, yes, a lot of it. Yeah it's mainstream and sounds l a little like 70's soft rock (I have the album) it's quite good, so yes I agree with what your saying about it. I like the Carol King duet a lot One True Love. Nice to see her back on the scene, everyone concerned had the good taste to work with each other (I admit it, I love 70's Carol King). It's also nice to see something irony free, but those pictures on the cover/booklet--ironic, but in a fun way. You'll never think about a test tube the same way once you look at them. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:20:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] Movie recommendation I don't know if a film that played at one film festival in 2000 and then went straight to cable in 2001 can count alongside 2001 theatrical releases, but if so my favorite movie of the year so far is THINGS YOU CAN TELL JUST BY LOOKING AT HER, which won raves at Sundance last year but, despite a cast that includes Glenn Close, Calista Flockheart, Holly Hunter and Cameron Diaz (not to mention Kathy Baker, Noah Fleiss, Danny Woodburn, Amy Brenneman and Valeria Golino, all impressively), was never picked up by a studio and is now making it's debut on Showtime. It's an interweaving short-story drama, somewhat like Robert Altman's SHORT CUTS, about the somewhat-connected lives of six women. There's nothing technically innovative or especially amazing here, I guess, but I found it quietly compelling and surprisingly moving. It's next showing is Sunday afternoon at 1:00PM (depending on where you live, I guess) and I highly recommend watching it. Now speaking of movies, does anyone have anything to say about REQUIEM FOR A DREAM or IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE, both of which open here this week? Jer np: Cat Stevens, BUDDHA & THE CHOCOLATE BOX Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:59:33 -0500 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chemistry At 09:21 AM 3/23/01 -0500, Dana L. Paoli wrote: >I'm wondering if Semisonic's new CD is getting radio play, as their >previous release did ("Closing Time" & "Secret Smile"). I think that >people on this list might like "All About Chemistry" if they aren't >bothered by some of the very mainstream elements in it. I didn't realize I had a chance to listen to the promo, but memories of "Closing Time" made me shy away from it in despair. Perhaps judging them by their single is a bit unfair, but all I can remember is the lyrical fragment "Time for you to go out / to the places you will be from", and it disturbs me greatly. By the way, if I'm not mistaken, I bought some Game Theory stuff from you on Ebay! Thanks again! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:11:06 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Movie recommendation >THINGS >YOU CAN TELL JUST BY LOOKING AT HER, which won raves >at Sundance last year but, despite a cast that >includes Glenn Close, Calista Flockheart, Holly Hunter >and Cameron Diaz (not to mention Kathy Baker, Noah >Fleiss, Danny Woodburn, Amy Brenneman and Valeria >Golino, all impressively), was never picked up by a >studio Yes, I've read a laudatory review of this picture at Salon: http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2001/03/09/things/index.html I haven't seen the film yet (Jer, is it out on video now?), but I find the author's point about this project vs. YOU CAN COUNT ON ME well put. >Now speaking of movies, does anyone have anything to >say about REQUIEM FOR A DREAM or IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE, >both of which open here this week? REQUIEM FOR A DREAM was one of my favorites from last year--kinetic, hallucinatory, twitchy, ultimately terrifying. IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE I haven't seen, I'm afraid. While we're sort of on the subject, let me mention two other interesting films--the first of which I've seen, the second I haven't--which look like they'll go straight to video: SKIPPED PARTS, my number-three film of 2000, directed by Tamra Davis from the novel by Tim Sandlin, starring Jennifer Jason Leigh, Mischa Barton (LAWN DOGS), Bug Hall, Angela Featherstone, Drew Barrymore, and R. Lee Ermey; and AME AGARU, aka AFTER THE RAIN, aka WHEN THE RAIN LIFTS, directed by Koizumi Takashi from a Kurosawa screenplay Kurosawa did not live to film. And Seattle's Scarecrow Video, which just might be the best video store in America, got a write-up in Premiere--anybody see that?, Andy "I don't know. I think I should see a doctor." - -- Keith Richards on what inspired him to hang key chains and a pocket knife from his hair at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony Monday night. (as reported by Amy Reiter in her "Nothing Personal" column for March 22, 2001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:23:12 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chemistry On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Dan McCarthy wrote: > Perhaps judging them by their single is a bit unfair, but all I can > remember is the lyrical fragment "Time for you to go out / to the > places you will be from", and it disturbs me greatly. that's not the most heinous line in "Closing Time" either, if you ask me. the closest thing to an open admission of being unable to write song lyrics is heavy reliance on pointless parallelism to fill out a phrase, and Semisonic have that in spades: - - "Turn off all the lights on over every boy and every girl." - - "One last call for alcohol so finish your whiskey or beer." - - "This room won't be open 'til your brothers or your sisters come." on the other hand, i don't think they rhyme "fire" with "desire", or "heart" with "apart". a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:47:10 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chemistry Or "waiting" and "anticipating", my personal least-fave Chris > > on the other hand, i don't think they rhyme "fire" with "desire", or > "heart" with "apart". > > a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:20:05 -0600 (CST) From: "BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crime and Punishment, or a long, sad story, a plea [Oops - I delayed this, then forgot about it. Here it is, for the sake of those sad folks reading the archives...] On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > Riding the subway to work today, it suddenly dawned on me that there are > *some* similarities between the way the New York subway's Metro-Card > system works and this music-copying thing that we're talking about. I'm betting one dissimilarity is that the back of the card spells out your legal rights and obligations in teensy print. No such notice attends CDs - people will assume* that their ownership of the CD entitles them to use it however they wish. * And I believe there's some legal principle whereby if property rights are knowingly left unenforced for a sufficient period of time, the owner has been granted less leeway in subsequently enforcing them. The example I have in mind has to do with people cutting across property as a shortcut, for years at a time, and then the owner trying to enforce his property rights and calling down trespassing statues against the users of the resulting path. But hey - I took one undergrad "philosophy of law" course 20 years ago, so my memory's a bit fuzzy. I've been thinking more about this issue, and here's some of what I came up with: First, Dana wrote: It's always interesting to see where our moral stances begin and end. Apparently he's opposed to stealing music unless he himself is stolen from, in which case it's ok. What a tangled web we weave. Since he says "moral" not "legal," apparently it's only of secondary relevance if the club's licensing pays a blanket fee for *any* music (which would seem to cover the DJ's using MP3s if needed). But here's the more important part: Dana implies that morals shouldn't be a matter of convenience, or of harm to oneself. Yet it's precisely the weighing of various, competing claims of harm that makes morality or ethics difficult. If all we had to do was consult a rulebook, we'd never have to think about any of these questions. For example, I've never heard of any culture that lacks a strong prohibition against killing human beings. And I've never heard of a culture that doesn't make any number of accepted exceptions to this stricture, ranging from the nearly universal (in the case of self-defense) to the less commonly accepted (to defend one's honor, say). And most of us would agree that lying is wrong - yet surely, if it's Germany in the early forties and you're hiding a Jewish family in your basement, and the Gestapo comes to the door and asks whether you're hiding any Jews, we'd agree that lying is certainly the correct course of action. In the case of our unlucky DJ, to me the issue works out like this: what harm is done by his (nominally illegal) copying CDs to make MP3s for temporary use in his job as DJ; versus what harm would be done if he did not do this? (And: what alternatives are there to making the MP3s?) I would argue that no harm is done by making the MP3s. They're not depriving any copyright holders of income, since the DJ is either going to replace them eventually or regain his already-purchased copies. Now, what harm would be done if he didn't make the copies? Plenty: he would be unable to do his job; the clubs where he works would be out one DJ; the patrons of the clubs would lack entertainment; the bar staff at the clubs would like clientele and thereby income and tips.... What alternatives does he have? As suggested, he *could* merely borrow the CDs from others - but this seems, on the one hand, a distinction without a difference (the niggling over whether one can make a tape for one's own use from someone else's copy of a CD one owns is truly...well, let's just say that if the next post were a series of equations calculating exactly how many angels could dance on the head of a turntable stylus, I wouldn't be surprised) and on the other, a logistical nightmare. Again the harm (in the form of inconvenience to self and others of the borrowing and keeping track of a thousand CDs) in this course outweighs the minimal, strictly legalistic harm of the other course. And since we're talking about limited, personal use and not mass duplication, the relevance of MyMP3.com or whatever is rather limited. Instead, it's exactly the same situation, in terms of harms, as buying used CDs or albums, making a cassette dub of tracks you don't own, etc. And unless none of these things are being indulged in by a critic of the MP3 usage in this case (and by his own admission, they are), there's a much greater harm than any of the above going on: that of hypocrisy. Oh yeah: the next Loudfans tape swap goes out in about ten days. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:06:26 -0500 From: Tim Victor Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Yabba Dabba Do On Friday, March 23, AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: > William Hanna, creater of Tom & Jerry, and The Flinstones, died today at 90. > All his cartoons, all favorites of mine when I was young, were great. How sad. > Scooby Doobie Doo > Andrea Bill Hanna was semi-retired during the time I worked at Hanna-Barbera, and he and Joe Barbera had sold the company to a larger entertainment group many years before, but I still saw him around the building fairly often. I had the good fortune to work with him on a couple of brief occasions, and I really admired him as a professional and as a person. He dressed like one of the production staff, drove his truck to work as often as not, said hello and remembered your name. Bill would have been the first to tell you that he wasn't trying to create art. He was about getting shows out on schedule and within budget. Hanna-Barbera was the first company to produce half-hour-long cartoons as weekly television episodes, and it was mainly due to Bill's good sense and hard-nosed attitude that the company was able to succeed for as long as it did. Best wishes, Tim Victor TimVictor@csi.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:00:38 -0600 (CST) From: "BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" Subject: [loud-fans] self-inflicted audio neuralgia Last night we went to see Guided by Voices. If they're touring anywhere near you, I probably don't have to tell you to go see them. The evening started out less than promisingly, as the venue is a big old barn with two or three clubs and pisspoor signage, so that we wandered about trying to figure out how to get to where we were going... Then, upon arriving and hearing openers Creeper Lagoon having already started, we decided to make our way to the bar. Impressively, for Milwaukee as such a beer-drinking city, the bar had a stunning selection of two (2) beers: MGD and Lite. (I'm not even sure either of those actually *count* as beers, but anyway...). Creeper Lagoon being at full throttle, and neither of us having our concert ears well-practiced, we hand-signalled two MGDs to the bartender, making the best of our limited choice - only to find, after the beers were drawn, that the admittedly generous plastic glasses (about 16 oz) were freakin' $5 each. Now I don't know what beer prices are like elsewhere, but in Milwaukee, this is outrageous: even at relatively expensive restaurants, even imports are rarely going to be marked up as high as $4.75. And we're talking about MGD here... Grumbling, and thinking we would have been better off struggling to the front row and scamming beers from Unca Bob, we made our way to roughly the center of the barn - err, hall - and listened to Creeper Lagoon, who despite being enthusiastic didn't quite translate live for us. We were in a bad mood, though... Between shows, the club starts playing - of all things - Pink Floyd's _Animals_. I found myself thinking that it'd probably been fifteen years since I'd listened to that record. Of course, since I misspent my teen years gobbling in Pink Floyd (among others), I *still* had nearly every note memorized. After the entire second side of _Animals_ played, the PA played some nicely executed '70s style hard rock (sad to say, couldn't ID) - - and...someone crept onstage and turned on the neon THE CLUB IS OPEN sign. Chaos ensued, eventually followed by GBV and several cases of...dammit, Miller Lite. So much for the scamming beer plan. Bob and co. had clearly been at the beers for a while, although Pollard still had that strange, off-center grace of his, with stage moves borrowed half from Roger Daltrey and half from vogueing night at a military bar. I'm terrible with titles, and I don't have the new one _Isolation Drills_ yet (out 4-3), which they seemed to play about half of - but they reached as far back as "Back to Saturn X" and a generous sampling of tracks from _Bee Thousand_ ("Tractor Rape Chain," "Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory," "I Am a Scientist") and _Alien Lanes_ ("Watch Me Jumpstart," "Motor Away," "Game of Pricks," "Closer You Are," and "Salty Salute" as part of one of the encores). They also played a number of songs from Pollard's "solo" albums, suggesting that the difference between GBV and Pollard solo these days is more a matter of marketing than anything else. Despite only moderate onstage beer consumption (I think he's the Bender of rock), Pollard was nearly spot-on throughout, climaxing the first encore with a cover of "Baba O'Riley" that reminded you what a brilliant singer he is. And Doug Gillard is a monster: not flashy, but everything was exactly in its place. I'm an idiot, so I don't know who the smiling bass player is - but he enlivened a number of songs with some nice high-register filigree as well as playing with a gigantically round sound throughout. They played for probably a little over two hours, not that I was checking my (non-existent) watch (although it must be said that, approaching 40, I'm grateful that I remembered to bring earplugs: about ten songs into GBV's set, I started experiencing the wonderful phenomenon of inside-ear feedback, as if the band had suddenly morphed into early Jesus and Mary Chain. The damned things make everything sound like, uh, the very earliest GBV records - but I can still hear music today.) The second encore ended with a version of Bowie's "Five Years," and we left the venue sweaty, smoky, and happy. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::glibby glop gloopy nibby nobby noopy la la la la lo:: np: Alison Faith Levy _My World View_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:15:53 -0600 (CST) From: "BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chemistry On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: > pictures on the cover/booklet--ironic, but in a fun way. You'll never think > about a test tube the same way once you look at them. As the Milwaukee-area band Mrs. Fun (two women) say, in an aside on their cover of "She Blinded Me with Science," "Is that a test-tube in your pocket, or are you happy to see me?" - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ np: Jetenderpaul _The Modal Lines_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:13:44 -0500 From: "David Raposa" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] self-inflicted audio neuralgia (GBV) ** Last night we went to see Guided by Voices. If they're touring anywhere ** near you, I probably don't have to tell you to go see them. They're hitting the East Coast with Spoon for a couple of dates, I think. You should buy Spoon's latest album, _Girls Can Tell_. It's superb. Merge Records put it out. http://www.mrg2000.com. They have tour dates, too, I believe. I can't stress its superbness enough, except by using improper grammar. cvantes, daver. http://www.popshots.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:20:01 -0800 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Crime and Punishment, Yuji >>I'm betting one dissimilarity is that the back of the card spells out your legal rights and obligations in teensy print. No such notice attends CDs - people will assume* that their ownership of the CD entitles them to use it however they wish. i'm fully expecting the day to come when, at the beginning of each track of a cd, we get the audio equivalent of that ridiculous FBI warning that's at the beginning of every video tape. >>Oh yeah: the next Loudfans tape swap goes out in about ten days. i'm gonna have to back out of this one. i have a feeling i may have been 'backed out' of the last one, which is perfectly alright, and i still owe 2 tapes. moving - moving - moving.... as for the Yuji content - my crime was moving and overcommiting. my punishment is not being able to go to the show tonight. too damn tired. np - Motorcycle - Love and Rockets. *i just got my license!* - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 17:22:41 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] self-inflicted audio neuralgia "BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" writes: | Last night we went to see Guided by Voices. If they're touring | anywhere near you, I probably don't have to tell you to go see them. As a double treat, Spoon is opening for them on a lot of the shows. | They also played a number of songs from Pollard's "solo" albums, | suggesting that the difference between GBV and Pollard solo these | days is more a matter of marketing than anything else. Yeah; Pollard has said that if he had his way, he'd release GBV records all the time, but the record companies only want him to put out one a year so as not to glut the market. So we get one GBV album every year or so, and everything else gets released as Pollard solo, or with Doug Gillard, or Lexo and the Leapers, etc (he has the Fading Captain series now just for this). He's said that he doesn't save the good songs for GBV albums; it's just whatever songs are lying around at the time. | And Doug Gillard is a monster: not flashy, but everything was | exactly in its place. I'm an idiot, so I don't know who the smiling | bass player is - but he enlivened a number of songs with some nice | high-register filigree as well as playing with a gigantically round | sound throughout. Yeah, Gillard is great. Lots of monster riffs on the new album. As Jeff said, prepare for a long set, and bring earplugs! - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:32:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] self-inflicted audio neuralgia On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs wrote: > Between shows, the club starts playing - of all things - Pink Floyd's > _Animals_. I found myself thinking that it'd probably been fifteen years > since I'd listened to that record. Of course, since I misspent my teen > years gobbling in Pink Floyd (among others), I *still* had nearly every > note memorized. Sounds like GBV/Bob's taste is impeccable. ANIMALS is by far my favorite PF record, oozing with the rich-and-bored contempt and detachment that would unfortunately mutate into the self-pity of THE WALL. Are the songs too long? Then you're too young! Ha ha charade you are, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:33:58 -0600 (CST) From: "BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Here Comes Everybody/Kid A(dorno) On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Jeff Downing wrote: > Also, I'm not sure how many Context readers there are in the bunch, but > the latest edition features a Curtis White essay on Radiohead, pop as art, > and the inadequacies of Nick Hornby as a reviewer. > > http://www.centerforbookculture.org/context/no6/white.html As long as we're on the subject, I'll flog my essay on a two of the above three, parts of which originated as a post in this very forum: http://www.milkmag.com/features/kida1.html (that's a "one" after "kida" for those of you lacking cutting & pasting abilities.) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Let's quit talking about it and start watching it on TV:: __Susan Lowry__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:43:55 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] an entertainment i've been working on a mix-enigma: a puzzle based on songs. this one was designed with the loud-list in mind, though if you enjoy it i'll be encouraged to make more for a wider audience. if people get into it but it just turns out to be too baffling, i'll add more clues, so let me know if you're intrigued but stumped. http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/mystery/ since the music is in mp3 form (and i didn't create any of it), i beseech you to do the right thing -- support people who make music you like. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:05:54 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crime and Punishment, or a long, sad story, a plea >I'm betting one dissimilarity is that the back of the card spells out >your >legal rights and obligations in teensy print. No such notice attends >CDs - >people will assume* that their ownership of the CD entitles them to >use it >however they wish. >>>>>>>>>. You lose this bet. You can take me out for Sushi next time you're in the neighborhood : ) I would argue that no harm is done by making the MP3s. They're not depriving any copyright holders of income, since the DJ is either going to replace them eventually or regain his already-purchased copies. >>>>>>>>>> Since you feel that way, please send me $5,000 immediately. Don't worry, it won't deprive you of income: I'll replace it eventually. Now, what harm would be done if he didn't make the copies? Plenty: he would be unable to do his job; the clubs where he works would be out one DJ; the patrons of the clubs would lack entertainment; the bar staff at the clubs would like clientele and thereby income and tips.... >>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the entire economic sub-structure of California would collapse. Did someone just compare the plight of a goth DJ whose CDs were stolen to the plight of the Jews during WWII? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] an entertainment I beg of everyone - if you know the answer to the puzzle, *please* do not post it on the list! Give everyone a chance to play... On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Aaron Mandel wrote: > i've been working on a mix-enigma: a puzzle based on songs. this one > was designed with the loud-list in mind, though if you enjoy it i'll be > encouraged to make more for a wider audience. > > if people get into it but it just turns out to be too baffling, i'll add > more clues, so let me know if you're intrigued but stumped. > > http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/mystery/ > > since the music is in mp3 form (and i didn't create any of it), i beseech > you to do the right thing -- support people who make music you like. > > a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:13:10 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chemistry Chris and aaron dislike, respectively, these rhymes: iting" and "anticipating", my personal least-fave Chris > > on the other hand, i don't think they rhyme "fire" with "desire", or > "heart" with "apart". > > a I say "girl" and "world" takes it for the lousy rhyme olympics. The use of this is one of the only plausible arguments for the death penalty I can think of. - --Dennis bo-bennis banana-etc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, Mar 23 2001 16:21:41 GMT-0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crime and Punishment, or a long, sad story, a plea "ButtServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" on Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:20:05 -0600 (CST) wrote: >Oh yeah: the next Loudfans tape swap goes out in about ten days. Has this morphed into an all-CD-R swap yet? If so, I may have to join finally. R.Win don't do tapes. I do most of my listening in the car these days, and there ain't no tape deck in thar. And now I have a CD-R burner! Hooray. Later. --Rog Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane ``Not every candle burns'' http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:24:05 -0800 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Crime and Punishment, or a long, sad story, a ple a <> yes, and that has me more amused than any of the rest of this. if anyone's feeling particularly adventurous, you're welcome to join me in SF at said DJ's club saturday night. nice place, good drinks, very friendly people. scary bathrooms - it's part of the maritime, so it's no surprise. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:12:44 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] self-inflicted audio neuralgia and Roxy Music >Sounds like GBV/Bob's taste is impeccable. ANIMALS is by far my favorite >PF record, oozing with the rich-and-bored contempt and detachment that >would unfortunately mutate into the self-pity of THE WALL. Are the songs >too long? Then you're too young! My brother and I took great pleasure to find something one of us requested, and received, for Christmas, actually contained the "f-word." Or, okay, my brother took great pleasure and I squirmed and hoped against hope my parents wouldn't notice. Was that before or after I got caught singing "Dangerous Jade" under my breath under the Christmas tree... Andy p.s. Cellophane Square has a limited supply, limited selection, of Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry solo albums in the Japanese 20-bit remastered incarnations. $10.99 each, plus sales tax. Both copies of AVALON were long gone, sad to say, but I notice FLESH + BLOOD, TAXI, THESE FOOLISH THINGS, MAMOUNA, and a few others. Anyone interested in a long-distance transaction, mail me off-list. "Throughout this review, please keep in mind that the man who is writing this strongly feels that Queen's finest album was the soundtrack to 'Flash Gordon.'" - --Jason Josephes, from his review of Tangerine Dream's THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (1969-1973), at http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/t/tangerine-dream/analogue-space-ye ars.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:28:42 -0500 From: "David Raposa" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] rhyme crime ** I say "girl" and "world" takes it for the lousy rhyme olympics. The ** use of this is one of the only plausible arguments for the death penalty I can think of. Ah, but I think all of these rhyme pet peeves should be taken in with a caveat - even if the rhyme (superficially) might be duff, it really depends on the song. For instance, I know that the "girl" / "world" rhyme was dropped by Big Star - "I'm in love with a girl / Prettiest (?) girl in the world". Whether, in that instance, it was meant as a rhyme, I can't say, but hey, let's not usher Mr. Chilton into the stocks for this. I think at least 3 Spinanes songs utilize the "fire" / "desire" rhyme as well. To paraphrase Alan Licht (via Run On's "Bring Her Blues") - tonight, and every night, it should be the song. This could be a given, though. And kudos to Aaron for the puzzle idea - if anything, it gives me something to ponder while I smack my brain against this dang Systems Analysis project I've been saddled with. project THIS, daver. http://www.popshots.org ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #7 *****************************