From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #1 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, March 20 2001 Volume 01 : Number 001 Today's Subjects: ----------------- test message [Dennis ] test of the new loud-fans list [Dennis ] [loud-fans] list info [Dennis ] Re: [loud-fans] list info [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] Re: video games (was list stuff) (ns) [Dennis] [loud-fans] Re: Carolyn's CD software question [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] SMOE! [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] some (no scott, just smoe) [Sue Trowbridge ] RE: [loud-fans] SMOE! [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] list stuff [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] cd burning Q [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] New Sam? [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] New Sam? [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] some (no scott, just smoe) [MarkWStaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] some (no scott, just smoe) [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] cd burning Q [Stewart Mason ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:03:21 -0500 From: Dennis Subject: test message test ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:04:56 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis Subject: test of the new loud-fans list This is a test of the new loudfans list. - -- - --- Dennis Sacks dennis@illusions.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:12:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis Subject: [loud-fans] list info A reminder: the archived loud-fans list is located at http://www.escribe.com/music/loudfans/ - -- - --- Dennis Sacks dennis@illusions.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, Mar 19 2001 13:28:05 GMT-0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] list info Dennis on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:12:43 -0500 (EST) wroet: >A reminder: the archived loud-fans list is located at > >http://www.escribe.com/music/loudfans/ Good to see that we have a functioning list again. I'm assuming that the address to post to is "loud-fans@smoe.org", though the introductory message didn't actually say so. Well, we'll see if this works... I have nothing of actual interest to say, as usual. Hey, how about those Broncos? Later. --Rog Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane ``Not every candle burns'' http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:32:55 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] Re: video games (was list stuff) (ns) Jeff writes: I think it's just pronounced "meem" but I could be wrong.... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> You are correct, but only because the original pronunciation "MAY-may" never caught on. - --D, considering multiply repositng this several times ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:38:00 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Carolyn's CD software question I was in the middle of answering this when the address changed, so... At 11:52 PM 3/18/01 -0800, dorseycc wrote: >A question- >I just got this cd burner that came built into my new computer. Making >cds is really fast and easier in some ways than making tapes but I'm >finding I don't have as much control over volume and I can't edit endings >the same way I could with tapes. Volume levels between different cds vary >tremendously and I could compensate for that making tapes. In some of these >cds I've made some of the songs are so loud and others aren't which is kind >of jarring. Does anyone know if there is a good software program that would >allow me to edit a little more? Any information would be helpful. Thanks! I've been playing with Cool Edit 2000 (http://www.cooledit.com) lately, and there's no end of cool things you can do with that, including standardizing volumes of tracks, creating fade-outs and -ins, cross-fading, recording and cleaning up old vinyl (which is the main thing I use it for) and adding effects (vibrato, flanging, reverb, tremolo, compression, reversal, bringing the vocals forward, burying them, wiping them almost completely--you can basically make a Lee Perry-style dub mix out of anything with this). Very quick learning curve and tutorials that are actually helpful--I was doing the basics in about 20 minutes--and it's more than powerful enough to do pretty much anything you want to do. Drawbacks: The 30-day evaluation version is set up so that you can only do two things at a time, with one of them being the ability to save your work. So if you want to do noise reduction on a track and then amplify it, for example, you have to do the noise reduction, save it, close the program, and restart the program choosing "amplify" as your new functionality. Also, you can't save things as MP3s in the eval version. (Not a problem, really--CD-Rs made from WAV tracks sound better, and there's literally dozens of good free WAV to MP3 converters out there if you need MP3s.) Another potential drawback is that the full-functionality version is mildly expensive--$69--but if you're going to be doing a lot of this, especially if you want to start doing vinyl-to-CD conversions, I highly recommend it. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:39:44 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] some (no scott, just smoe) Call me sensitive, but I feel so lame and embarrased typing in "smoe." You've got to admit that it's awfully nerdy sounding, especially compared to the streamlined elegance that was loud-fans@loufans.com. How about "loud-fans@rockzilla.com" or "loud-fans@bloodyguitarz.com" or "loud-fans@2funky4u.com" next time we change names. smoefully yours, - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:35:03 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] SMOE! On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > Call me sensitive, but I feel so lame and embarrased typing in "smoe." > You've got to admit that it's awfully nerdy sounding, especially compared > to the streamlined elegance that was loud-fans@loufans.com. smoe has a long and distinguished history as probably the premiere server devoted to hosting music-related mailing lists. and it measures its down time in minutes/year. i'm very happy about the move. - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:45:40 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! At 05:35 PM 3/19/01 -0500, dmw wrote: >On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > >> Call me sensitive, but I feel so lame and embarrased typing in "smoe." >> You've got to admit that it's awfully nerdy sounding, especially compared >> to the streamlined elegance that was loud-fans@loufans.com. > >smoe has a long and distinguished history as probably the premiere server >devoted to hosting music-related mailing lists. and it measures its down >time in minutes/year. > >i'm very happy about the move. Uh-oh. It's a *fancy* mailserv! Do we have to lift our pinkies while we type now? Put on our Sunday-go-to-meetin' clothes before we argue over the correct ways to file compilations? Personally, I just think it's fun to say "smoe." Smoe! Smoe! Smoe! Stewart (P.S.--Alphabetized by title, mixed in with the single-artist albums. it promotes mental acuity to have to remember what song is on what comp and what the album's called.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:01:57 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! > Alphabetized by title, mixed in with the single-artist albums. Don't taunt the new people. As we all agreed the last time this came up, the proper way to file compilations is to purchase as many copies as there are participating artists, and file one with each artist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, Mar 19 2001 16:04:43 GMT-0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! Stewart Mason on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:45:40 -0700 wrote: >Personally, I just think it's fun to say "smoe." Smoe! Smoe! Smoe! Yes, but how is it pronounced? "Smo" or "Smoey"? Hey Stewart, can you use that Cool Edit program to actually burn the CDs too, or do you need a separate program for that? Will finally have my first CD-R burner in a few days, Later. --Rog Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane ``Not every candle burns'' http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > Yes, but how is it pronounced? "Smo" or "Smoey"? I think it's pronounced "smoh", as in the first syllable of "smoking". J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:16:01 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: [loud-fans] some (no scott, just smoe) - --- Dana L Paoli wrote: > Call me sensitive, but I feel so lame and > embarrased typing in "smoe." > You've got to admit that it's awfully nerdy > sounding, especially compared > to the streamlined elegance that was > loud-fans@loufans.com. Sure, smoe is a stupid name but there are a heck of a lot of fine music lists hosted there. Check out http://www.smoe.org/lists/ BTW, only a small handful of people know what smoe means. I believe the term was coined at a Happy Rhodes concert many years ago, and the folks who were there at that primal moment have never told anyone else, ever, what inspired it. I couldn't even begin to hazard a guess. Maybe eventually smoe will take on "all your base are belong to us" type cultural significance. BTW2, Roxy Music tour dates have been announced!!!!! They are playing the Concord Pavilion here in NorCal. Lots of big outdoor sheds. I haven't been to a shed show in like 5 years, but I wouldn't miss this one for the world. Check out pollstar.com for the scoop. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:07:21 -0000 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! > I think it's pronounced "smoh", as in the first syllable of "smoking". > > J. Mallon Joe - this is not a good time to remind me (albeit inadvertently) about my recent failure of willpower... jeez, I do pick my moments to return to the list! Apologies to all those to whom apologies are due for my inability to keep up with loud-fans over the last few months - Personally, I like 'smoe', particularly in combination with '.org', and there's an obvious Scandinavian pun to be worked out if somebody could just construct a sentence also containing the words 'as' and 'board', but I'm way too tired to do so at present, and I guess I've now blown the joke for anybody who was thinking of making it... sorry! BTW, you folks *have* been in my thoughts over the last few months, as can be evinced by the recent expansion of my record collection to include the collected works of Dramarama & John Easdale (mainly thanks to Bill Holmes & Andrea Weiss) and You Am I (mainly thanks to John Bartlett). Interested to know, 'cause I don't think I've seen anything on-list yet (in the few weeks I've been keeping up, anyway), what have people's reactions been to what they've heard of GBV's 'Isolation Drills'? Everything I've picked up from gbv.com, including the downloads, has suggested that this may be *the* classic hi-fi GBV album that the last two promised but didn't quite deliver, however good they may have been. Sorry for the ramble, but anyway peace & love phil 'Who talks of victory? To endure is all.' - Rilke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:20:53 -0800 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] SMOE! > Yes, but how is it pronounced? "Smo" or "Smoey"? >I think it's pronounced "smoh", as in the first syllable of "smoking". you know, it could be "smoooo", like shoe. hm... - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:01:30 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! In a message dated 3/19/01 5:57:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmw@radix.net writes: > smoe has a long and distinguished history as probably the premiere server > devoted to hosting music-related mailing lists. and it measures its down > time in minutes/year. > > i'm very happy about the move. > > So am I. I'm on some Smoe lists, and I've never had trouble with them. Sometimes the old address would bounce, not too much fun if your trying to send a swap review. For instance. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:06:53 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! In a message dated 3/19/01 7:17:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, snarkynagee@cwcom.net writes: > BTW, you folks *have* been in my thoughts over the last few > months, as can be evinced by the recent expansion of my record > collection to include the collected works of Dramarama & John > Easdale (mainly thanks to Bill Holmes & Andrea Weiss) and You > Am I (mainly thanks to John Bartlett). > > Thanks Phil, I'm honered. For real. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:20:38 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! At , Roger Winston wrote: >Hey Stewart, can you use that Cool Edit program to actually burn the CDs >too, or do you need a separate program for that? Ummm...good question, hang on. Nope, doesn't look like it. On the other hand, pretty much all CD-R burners come with the standard Adaptec software already bundled in, and I haven't heard of anything that's better. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:26:54 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! Roger Winston wrote: > Stewart Mason wrote: > >Personally, I just think it's fun to say "smoe." Smoe! Smoe! Smoe! > > Yes, but how is it pronounced? "Smo" or "Smoey"? I've been on a handful of announcements-only lists hosted at smoe.org (now including Sue T's loud-news list) for a long time, and have been curious where the word "smoe" originated. The smoe.org FAQ contains the following circular reference.. +++ What is smoe.org? Smoe.org is the domain operated by SMOE. Who is SMOE? SMOE are the people who operate smoe.org. +++ I think it's pronounced with a long O, rhymes with "schmoe".. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:33:37 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Re: [Loud-fans] list stuff On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > <><><><><><><><><><><><><> > To: FF-prime > From: Engineering and Maintenance > Re: Bot control > > Jeff, Perhaps a bit of readjustment is in order on the Mark-bot. This > line of reasoning wherein it asks for visual evidence of other bots has > approximately a 1 in 93.667 chance of leading to questioning the > existence of the other bots, such a reflexive eddy current of reasoning > having (as previously demonstrated, as I'm sure you recall the > "Descartotron" near fiasco) an almost certain (1 in 1.00000368894) > chance of eventually leading, however briefly, to the "do I exist?" > question. And I need not add that we in maintenance are still not sure > how or when we will be able to finish cleaning up after the "LET THERE > BE LIGHT!" incident, with annual engineering and control costs in the > billions. Such queries are well within the ontological parameters for safe operation. In order to function properly, some of the higher-level bots must occasionally indulge in such pondering. But the neural feedback system incorporated in all bots makes it all but certain they will rely, in the end, on what seems clear sensory evidence of their existence. Except for those pesky BuddhistBots - turns out you set the ontological parameters *too* broad, there's a feedback loop and you start doubting your own existence... - --Jeff, who chuckles at the notion that the McGreevyBot thinks he's in "Engineering and Maintenance"... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::glibby glop gloopy nibby nobby noopy la la la la lo:: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:37:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! > On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > > > Call me sensitive, but I feel so lame and embarrased typing in "smoe." > > You've got to admit that it's awfully nerdy sounding, especially compared > > to the streamlined elegance that was loud-fans@loufans.com. Yeah, but the problem with "loufans.com" was all those Reed, Rawls, Prima, Armstrong, etc. fans who mistakenly kept gatecrashing. - --Jeff, who thinks no typo is not worth milking J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:44:11 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] cd burning Q On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > I've been playing with Cool Edit 2000 (http://www.cooledit.com) lately, and > there's no end of cool things you can do with that, including standardizing > volumes of tracks, creating fade-outs and -ins, cross-fading, recording and > cleaning up old vinyl (which is the main thing I use it for) Okay - I know this has come up before, but my excuse is that the technology probably obsolesces every six months anyway. Since I'm actually considering acquiring a CD burner w/in six months, I'll ask now: What's the best method of getting noise from vinyl or cassette "into" one's computer to burn CDs therefrom? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: ps: solemn monkeys order enchiladas? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:33:55 -0600 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] New Sam? Someone on the Audities list thinks there is a new Sam Phillips album due tomorrow. No listing on CDNow or Amazon, anybody know what's up? - - Steve __________ If they know our secrets, why can't we know theirs? - Dana Scully ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:33:48 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! Steve Holtebeck: >I think it's pronounced with a long O, rhymes with "schmoe".. Now I'm on three smoe lists! Anyway, smoe is cool - and well liked enough by smoeites that they donated enough money to buy a couple of SPARCs a while back. - - Steve __________ Well, Jesus ain't no astronaut And Buddah, he's no fool Cathedral bells don't ring in hell 'cos cats down there don't think that's cool. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:02:01 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Sam? In a message dated 3/19/01 9:40:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, schiavo@home.com writes: > Someone on the Audities list thinks there is a new Sam Phillips album due > tomorrow. No listing on CDNow or Amazon, anybody know what's up? > > > > The Sam list was wondering too, since we'd heard tomorrow too. As far as I know, no it's isn't, and I don't know why ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:13:33 EST From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] some (no scott, just smoe) In a message dated 3/19/01 5:04:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, dana-boy@juno.com writes: << Call me sensitive, but I feel so lame and embarrased typing in "smoe." >> Yeah, "Smoe" sounds like the name of some lame band that would cite the Presidents of the United States of America or Nerf Herder as an important influence, but if the list works, then I can get used to it. - -Mark np Smoe TOUCH ME I'M SMOE (Subpop) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:36:45 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] some (no scott, just smoe) MarkWStaples@aol.com wrote: > > Yeah, "Smoe" sounds like the name of some lame band that would cite the > Presidents of the United States of America or Nerf Herder as an important > influence, but if the list works, then I can get used to it. i thought he hung out with slarry and scurly. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:53:03 -0600 (CST) From: "BotServerCentral-Sector:Mail a/k/a 2 Fs" Subject: [loud-fans] actual on-topic conversation? On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > FROM RITUAL TO ROMANCE - The Loud Family. The Loud Family the way they > were meant to be experienced - live and nasty. (No, wait, that's Humble > Pie.) Tracks from the INTERBABE & DAYS FOR DAYS tour-closing San > Francisco shows - hard-rockin', kick-ass, and meant to be played loud. > > We're hoping for a May-June release of all three CDs. There will be good > deals for multiple purchases. The Web site will be up soon. Also in the > works is a release party some time in June to feature all three > acts. More details as they erupt. Yeesh, folks - we get this planet-shattering, or at least soil-shifting, news that's actually relevant to the nominal topic of the list, and it's nearly ignored? We want information (Joe in a black suit with little white lines around the outside: "you won't get it!") By hook or by crook, we will! So I'm assuming the reason no _Attractive Nuisance_ tour tracks is no closing SF show on that tour? Too bad... Any advance word re track selection? Who's choosing? Scott? other band members? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ np: Grasshopper & the Golden Crickets _The Orbit of Eternal Grace_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:37:57 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SMOE! At Monday 3/19/01 06:20 PM -0700, Stewart Mason wrote: >At , Roger Winston wrote: > >Hey Stewart, can you use that Cool Edit program to actually burn the CDs > >too, or do you need a separate program for that? > >Ummm...good question, hang on. Nope, doesn't look like it. On the other >hand, pretty much all CD-R burners come with the standard Adaptec software >already bundled in, and I haven't heard of anything that's better. Thanks for the info. Ack, I think you're talking about "Easy CD Creator". I've used that at work in the past, and didn't like it much. Hopefully it's improved over the years. My bandmate John uses a really great program called "CD Architect", which was made by Sonic Foundry. You can do some really wonderful things with it (cross-fades and such). Alas, they don't appear to carry it as a separate product anymore; it's been rolled into Sound Forge 5.0. Which makes it very expensive. Not that it was cheap before. Well, we'll see what software my drive comes with... Later. --Rog Roger Winston/Reign delle Rane "Not every candle burns" http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:04:01 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd burning Q At 07:44 PM 3/19/01 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > >> I've been playing with Cool Edit 2000 (http://www.cooledit.com) lately, and >> there's no end of cool things you can do with that, including standardizing >> volumes of tracks, creating fade-outs and -ins, cross-fading, recording and >> cleaning up old vinyl (which is the main thing I use it for) > >Okay - I know this has come up before, but my excuse is that the >technology probably obsolesces every six months anyway. Since I'm actually >considering acquiring a CD burner w/in six months, I'll ask now: What's >the best method of getting noise from vinyl or cassette "into" one's >computer to burn CDs therefrom? It's simpler than you might think. What I do for vinyl (basic Windows 98 setup): 1. Get a turntable and preamp. (If you don't have a preamp, which costs about $40 at Radio Shack, the turntable will sound rumbly and distant and generally crappy. In my case, I had to buy a new turntable anyway, and I found one, the Sony LX250, that has an internal preamp you can switch on and off, and it only cost about $77 at my local discount appliance dealer.) 2. Get this adapter: stereo phono plugs into 1/4-inch jack. They'll know what you're talking about at Radio Shack, and it'll cost about $3. 3. Plug the phono plugs from the turntable or preamp into the adapter. Plug the adapter into the "line in" on your computer's sound card. (Not "mic," because on most sound cards, "mic" only records in mono and you'll only get one channel, especially bad for '60s stuff with a wide stereo field.) 4. Double-click on the speaker icon in your system tray to bring up the Master Volume display. Under "Options," click "Properties." Select "Adjust volume for Recording" on the pop-up menu. The Recording display will appear. Make sure there's a check in the box next to "Select" under "Line in," and that the volume slider is at a reasonable level. You may have to experiment to find out what that reasonable level is, but I have mine even with the second tic-mark from the top. That's it, now you're ready to use the sound recording software of your choice. For cassette-to-CD, just substitute the output jacks of your cassette player (you don't need a preamp for cassette players) for the output jacks of your turntable. To give you an idea of what the software's like, here's the recording procedure for Cool Edit: 1. Open the Cool Edit program. 2. Click the "Record" button at the bottom of the screen. 3. Select the quality of the soundfile you're recording (higher quality=bigger file size) and click OK. The program will start recording immediately. 4. Put the needle on the record and let it play. It's best to start it at the end of the song before the one you want and let it play through to the beginning of the one after; that way, you have plenty of room to edit the file later. 5. Click the "Stop" button. Under "File," choose "Save As," type in the title, choose what you want it saved as (WAV, MP3, etc.), click "OK" and you've got a soundfile. Now you can trim the top and tail, edit out the clicks and pops, amplify it, and just generally futz with it. It's fun! Stewart >ps: solemn monkeys order enchiladas? pps: Uh-uh. Smudgy mascara obviates eyeliner. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #1 *****************************