From: owner-lilith-fair-fans-digest@smoe.org (lilith-fair-fans-digest) To: lilith-fair-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: lilith-fair-fans-digest V1 #7 Reply-To: lilith-fair-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-lilith-fair-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lilith-fair-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lilith-fair-fans-digest Monday, May 4 1998 Volume 01 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [lilith-fair-fans] milwaukee tickets [JillS55872 ] Re: [lilith-fair-fans] milwaukee tickets [Vndenweinr ] [lilith-fair-fans] Camden, NJ E-Centre [murban ] [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience [Lim7 [sean crabtree [Lndsy [Kathleen Kelly ] [lilith-fair-fans] Pine Knob and more ticket gripes [Juniper423 [LOTSLER ["rainswept@nwu.edu" [sean crabtree [sean crabtree [jason and jill ["just a T-Boy (what's a T-Boy, mum?)" Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] milwaukee tickets hi all, I got tickets to the Columbus show just by calling my local ticketmaster # here in Chicago and telling them that I wanted tickets to an out of town show...it didn't seem to be any problem and since it was only 9 AM here (10 AM ) in Columbus, the phone lines weren't busy at all here... - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-digest ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 22:53:42 EDT From: Vndenweinr Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] milwaukee tickets hmm...good idea....ok, so what's the number for ticketmaster in chicago? - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-digest ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 98 23:16:40 From: murban Subject: [lilith-fair-fans] Camden, NJ E-Centre Can someone please tell me a bit about the setup of the Camden, NJ SONY-Blockbuster E-Centre? Are the stages close together? Are the lawn seats any good? Thanks! - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:50:54 EDT From: Lim7 Subject: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience I need some empathy here, or at least some goddamn pity. Today I woke up early to get in line for Lilith Fair tickets at the Shoreline Amp in Mountain View. Considering I had a very late night, waking up at 8:30am was early for someone who stays in bed until she hears her mom shriek "Dinner time you lazy bum!" Even though I knew tickets wouldn't go on sale until 11, I decided to wait in line anyway (partially because I have no life, so what the hell). I thought Tower would do the stupid lottery thingie, but I was hoping I could circumvent it. Anyway, I got there at 9:30 and there were only 2 guys (who were definitely scalpers, unless Sarah McLachlan fans have suddenly transformed into 30 year old men with goatees and Megadeth t-shirts) and 2 girls ahead of me in line, who informed me that they would be joined by 2 other girls. So I braved a throng of Spice Girls fanatics (who kept muttering about something about Leo and the Spice Girls), and then at 10:30, the Tower dudes came out and told us they were going to do the Lottery thing because there were more than 10 people in line (there were about 25 peeps behind me). I started bitching them out, and the peeps behind me chimed in. The Tower dudes got real flustered (too much estrogen to handle, I suppose), and they said that if we were all in agreement, they'd agree not to do it. So here I am stoked as all hell since I conquered the lottery, and I was real close in line. I figured I could get first level ($53) tickets since it was two nights. Wrong. The two girls in front of me were soon joined by their cronies, and I could hear them yapping about how much they're going to make off these tickets (I had no idea scalpers came in the form of young women). So 11am rolls around, and all 6 scalpers in front of me each buy 6 tickets a piece. When I shuffled up to line, the dude tells me that he's sold out of first level seats on both nights, and all he has left are the $42 second level seats. I was bummed to say the least. I was willing to shell out the ridiculous $53, but now I had to sit in fairly nosebleed seats for only $10 less (I've been spoiled by real good seats in all my Sarah concerts). I started feeling hostility towards scalpers, Ticketmaster, and even Sarah McLachlan. I felt real bad for all the people behind me who wanted good seats but wouldn't be able to get one now because all the scalpers bought them up, and because TicketMaster is the most enigmatic thing since the Cancer Man on "X-Files." Can someone please explain to me how to get the best seats possible because showing up early and getting a good spot in line obviously doesn't help?? So the morale of my garrulous story is: Scalpers need to die, TicketMaster needs some serious reworking, the Lilith organizers need to quit charging an arm and an ovary for tickets, and someone needs to give me front row tickets NOW (and while they're in such a generous mood, a new car wouldn't hurt either). Thanks for hearing me out fellow Lilithians. - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 06:56:06 -0400 From: "Charlie Byrne" Subject: [lilith-fair-fans] Re: My shitty Lilith ticket experience What an interesting letter from "LIM7": > Considering I had a very late night, waking up at 8:30am was early Why did you stay out so late if you knew you had to get up early to buy tickets? > I thought Tower would do the stupid lottery thingie, but I was hoping... > So 11am rolls around, and all 6 scalpers in front of me each buy 6 tickets a piece. If Tower would have done "the stupid lottery thingie" this would not have happened. > unless Sarah McLachlan fans have suddenly > transformed into 30 year old men Sounds like prejudice, stereotyping, and agism on your part. I know a 43 year old man who is a biog Sarah fan. > So I braved a throng of Spice Girls fanatics Presumably these creatures are inferior to Lilith fanatics, right? > The Tower dudes got real flustered (too much estrogen to handle, I suppose) Sexist > (I had no idea scalpers came in the form of young women). More sexism, stereotyping and prejudice. > I felt real bad for all the people behind me who wanted good seats > but wouldn't be able to get one now because all the scalpers bought them up If Tower would have done "the stupid lottery thingie" this would not have happened. > Can someone please explain to me how to get the best seats possible because Show up with several friends, get in line for the lottery drawing in diferent positions, and hope that one of you gets a good lottery number. It is pretty simple really. Plus you only need to get there a few minutes before the drawing, not early in the morning. ON AVERAGE, this system works out BETTER FOR EVERYBODY (except scalpers) IN THE LONG RUN. > showing up early and getting a good spot in line obviously doesn't help?? Congratulations, now you have figured that out. - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:06:18 -0400 From: sean crabtree Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] milwaukee tickets I got tix for polaris too! where are yours???? i was so excited i can't remember i just know 39 & 40 left center Leslee JillS55872 wrote: > hi all, > I got tickets to the Columbus show just by calling my local ticketmaster # > here in Chicago and telling them that I wanted tickets to an out of town > show...it didn't seem to be any problem and since it was only 9 AM here (10 AM > ) in Columbus, the phone lines weren't busy at all here... > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans > -or-- > unsubscribe lilith-fair-digest - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:18:16 -0400 From: sean crabtree Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience hey i understand both you and charlie! i would be dissapionted if i was in your shoes but you could've been a little more lighthearted! yes it's ignorant for men or women young or old to scalp tickets but you really can't stop this from happening. and to say you want front row tix....wouldn't you have to go through a scalper at this point to get them? if you really want to stop scalpers don't give them business! be happy that you got what you did because if you would've stayed in bed longer maybe you would have been one of the unfortunate peeps who was told tix are all gone??!!!!! i mean, after all you said you have had good seats at all other sarah events so maybe now you should give someone else that oppurtunity! i really don't want to sound harsh and again i do understand your points to some extent........Leslee Lim7 wrote: > I need some empathy here, or at least some goddamn pity. Today I woke > up early to get in line for Lilith Fair tickets at the Shoreline Amp in > Mountain View. Considering I had a very late night, waking up at 8:30am was > early for someone who stays in bed until she hears her mom shriek "Dinner time > you lazy bum!" Even though I knew tickets wouldn't go on sale until 11, I > decided to wait in line anyway (partially because I have no life, so what the > hell). I thought Tower would do the stupid lottery thingie, but I was hoping > I could circumvent it. Anyway, I got there at 9:30 and there were only 2 guys > (who were definitely scalpers, unless Sarah McLachlan fans have suddenly > transformed into 30 year old men with goatees and Megadeth t-shirts) and 2 > girls ahead of me in line, who informed me that they would be joined by 2 > other girls. So I braved a throng of Spice Girls fanatics (who kept muttering > about something about Leo and the Spice Girls), and then at 10:30, the Tower > dudes came out and told us they were going to do the Lottery thing because > there were more than 10 people in line (there were about 25 peeps behind me). > I started bitching them out, and the peeps behind me chimed in. The Tower > dudes got real flustered (too much estrogen to handle, I suppose), and they > said that if we were all in agreement, they'd agree not to do it. So here I > am stoked as all hell since I conquered the lottery, and I was real close in > line. I figured I could get first level ($53) tickets since it was two > nights. Wrong. The two girls in front of me were soon joined by their > cronies, and I could hear them yapping about how much they're going to make > off these tickets (I had no idea scalpers came in the form of young women). > So 11am rolls around, and all 6 scalpers in front of me each buy 6 tickets a > piece. When I shuffled up to line, the dude tells me that he's sold out of > first level seats on both nights, and all he has left are the $42 second level > seats. I was bummed to say the least. I was willing to shell out the > ridiculous $53, but now I had to sit in fairly nosebleed seats for only $10 > less (I've been spoiled by real good seats in all my Sarah concerts). I > started feeling hostility towards scalpers, Ticketmaster, and even Sarah > McLachlan. I felt real bad for all the people behind me who wanted good seats > but wouldn't be able to get one now because all the scalpers bought them up, > and because TicketMaster is the most enigmatic thing since the Cancer Man on > "X-Files." Can someone please explain to me how to get the best seats > possible because showing up early and getting a good spot in line obviously > doesn't help?? So the morale of my garrulous story is: Scalpers need to die, > TicketMaster needs some serious reworking, the Lilith organizers need to quit > charging an arm and an ovary for tickets, and someone needs to give me front > row tickets NOW (and while they're in such a generous mood, a new car wouldn't > hurt either). Thanks for hearing me out fellow Lilithians. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans > -or-- > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:31:06 -0700 From: cherubug@juno.com (Michele M McPherson) Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] buying tickets (ticketmaster, etc.) I plan on going to the Shorline show in No. Cal...... but Sunday i was sick and besides that i can't afford to get tix RIGHT NOW....i don't own a credit card either...does anyone think/know if this is going to sell out real real soon??? To Chris: (in No. Cal) I don't think Ticketmaster charges a service charge. That is the company Pearl Jam is affiliated with....they didn't like the idea of Bass charging extra... If this isn't the same co. and he did forget to charge you...lucky you!!!!! If Ticketmast did get more phone lines....then they'd probably start charging us a service charge :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of the dreams" ~Willy Wonka "Don't think cuz I'm talkin', we're friends" ~Sneaker Pimps "Been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding " ~Harvey Danger On Sat, 2 May 1998 13:26:12 -0700 "den-E" writes: >-----Original Message----- >From: dana wagner > >>is there any way to convince the venues in charge of distributing >tickets >>to agencies such as ticketmaster to sell through maybe 2 or 3 >companies, so >>that people can actually get tickets? >>i'm not exactly sure how it works between venues and ticket agencies, >but i >>really think that this system needs to be remedied. > > >An interesting idea, even if they wouldn't do that, (I don't know what >the >business arrangements are either) you'd think that ticket master could >atleast get more phone lines and more ticket outlets to better serve >the >public. > >:-) >.den-E _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:20:47 -0500 From: dwagner@sas.upenn.edu (dana wagner) Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] buying tickets (ticketmaster, etc.) >To Chris: (in No. Cal) >I don't think Ticketmaster charges a service charge. That is the company >Pearl Jam is affiliated with....they didn't like the idea of Bass >charging extra... >If this isn't the same co. and he did forget to charge you...lucky >you!!!!! > >If Ticketmast did get more phone lines....then they'd probably start >charging us a service charge :) you got it mixed up... ticketmaster *does* charge a service fee and a handling fee, something like $4.50 per ticket and an additional $3 total (depends on the concert, though). it's really horrible. i don't think bass charges service fees.. i can't remember from when i got tix from them. pearl jam boycotted *ticketmaster*, not bass. they have so few phone lines as it is-- they might as well make the service fee worth something and get more lines! - -dana - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:45:05 EDT From: Lndsy Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience whoa people!!!! (in my opinion) i don't think there is any need to attack someone for giving an account of her ticket buying experience. flames like that keep everyone from not wanting to share... lets be a little kinder eh? - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: jodiolio Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] buying tickets (ticketmaster, etc.) > To Chris: (in No. Cal) > I don't think Ticketmaster charges a service charge. That is the company > Pearl Jam is affiliated with....they didn't like the idea of Bass > charging extra... > If this isn't the same co. and he did forget to charge you...lucky > you!!!!! Ticketmaster _does_ charge a service charge...my $37.50 tickets ended up costing well over 47$ each!...maybe it's different in other areas, but here in the NW, there is a charge and now, a word from our sponsors..... Jodio - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Christian God is alive and well and I usually go out with him every six weeks. Just for a good binge." - - Tori Amos - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:16:09 -0700 From: Kathleen Kelly Subject: RE: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience I agree. I went to Ticketmaster on Sat. I arrived at 7:00 am. I was surprised there wasn't much of a line, but at 8:30am they proceeded to do the "lottery thingee". I wish I had been like the previous mailer and raised a fit because I was 10th in line. I drew #52 which was obviously a grave dissapointment. Standing way, way, back in line, the radio station "elfin boy" walked around to interview people then stated that all golden circle tickets for June 20th were sold and the ones for the 21st, going fast (those were the ones I wanted). I finally became #3 in line (9:45 a.m.) when the lady 2 places in front of me 'accidentally' bought tickets for the wrong day and asked to return to the front of the line to exchange them. Someone told her all sales were final and informed her that we'd been waiting a long time and that wasn't cool. She didn't listen - just went up to the counter in front of everyone. 9:50 am, I got my 17th row golden circle tickets, but the stress put on me by Ticketmaster and the elfin boy and the dingy lady was alot to endure. Also, I was not happy with the $16 service charge. Next time I will bring my cell phone, many friends and try to find a place that doesn't do the lottery thingee. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lndsy [SMTP:Lndsy@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 1:45 PM > To: lilith-fair-fans@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket > experience > > whoa people!!!! > (in my opinion) i don't think there is any need to attack someone for > giving > an account of her ticket buying experience. flames like that keep > everyone > from not wanting to share... > lets be a little kinder eh? > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans > -or-- > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:39:50 -0700 (PDT) From: jodiolio Subject: [lilith-fair-fans] June 20/21 i've read a lot of posts from people who are going to either the show on 6-20 or on 6-21, and i think we should all make plans to meet up before the show/s...i'm going to both, and will be camping out on friday and saturday nights...anyway, i'd be willing to co-ordinate it if no one else wanted to...anyway, that's all and now, a word from our sponsors..... Jodio - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Christian God is alive and well and I usually go out with him every six weeks. Just for a good binge." - - Tori Amos - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:02:58 EDT From: Juniper423 Subject: [lilith-fair-fans] Pine Knob and more ticket gripes Don't read this if you don't like hearing about people's ticket misfortunes or are going to flame me for complaining a bit.... Anyway, to all of you who are upset that you didn't get good seats, you should at least be glad that your venues didn't start selling tickets before they even went on sale. As some of you may know, Pine Knob, in Clarkston, Michigan, had a "Package Deal" where you could buy three shows from one column and get three shows from another column free...yada yada yada...anyway, this meant that the pavillion seats for our three Lilith shows were already partially sold out by the time tickets went on sale on Saturday. I got to the Ticketmaster outlet like FOUR HOURS early, hoping it would give me a better chance of getting good seats. Well, I'm going to make a long story shorter by skipping stuff and saying that I ended up third in line. After waiting (in the rain) for awhile, they finally opened the door and we started buying tickets, but the guy selling them was SO SLOW. The FIRST person in line ended up getting row GG (the pine knob pavillion goes from A-Z, to AA-ZZ, and the last 5 rows aren't covered by the pavillion roof) for July 7th, the day I wanted to go to, the day with the best lineup, IMHO. I don't know if it was because the Ticketmaster guy was so slow, or because half the pavillion was already sold out, but I thought row GG for the FIRST person in line was pretty bad. Anyway, I ended up getting tickets for the show I wanted, July 7th, but they are NOT good seats. They are row *YY* which means they are practically on the lawn, and not only that, but they aren't even covered by the roof. I just hope it doesn't rain. I am happy though, that I get to go to the show I wanted, since I heard (on this list, among other places) that the pavillion was completely sold out. Luckily it wasn't. Oh, and the service charge for the tickets was $3.75, in case anyone was wondering. :) ~Beth~ - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:21:14 EDT From: LOTSLER Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience In a message dated 98-05-04 16:50:30 EDT, Lndsy@aol.com writes: << whoa people!!!! (in my opinion) i don't think there is any need to attack someone for giving an account of her ticket buying experience. flames like that keep everyone from not wanting to share... lets be a little kinder eh? >> Amen! I just joined this list and I was surprised to see someone "attacked". I understand both points of view but I was a little taken aback by the reponse. I think that when someone posts something like the first person did and it may contain ideas that someone else doesn't agree with...isn't it obvious that it was that person's opinion? They shouldn't have to say, "In my opinion..." But hey...that's just MY opinion :) Amy - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 16:14:48 PDT From: "Ben-Zion Caspi" Subject: [lilith-fair-fans] I'm scared now... Hello all you stressed out ticket buyers! I think there should be a support group for this :) I just need to clarify some stuff... I'm pretty scared with all this talk of scalpers, package tix, phone lines...etc..etc..etc....Please give me some reasurance :) First of all, what's this "lottery thingee" and do you think they'll have it in Ottawa? All these nasty package ticket things and such, do those apply to Canadian venues too? Nobody seems to be talking about the Canadian shows so I'm pretty clueless! :) I'm not an experienced ticket buyer :) When I bought tix for the Sarah concert I called in 5 mins before and got great seats for the price I paid (not ever making the same dumb mistake of buying cheap seats when I could've had AWESOME expensive ones! :P) so I don't know what to do. I don't have a cell phone, I don't even know anyone who does but I can see where having one would rock! If this lottery thing happens I could scatter friends in line...whatever it is...what's a good time to lineup? Or is calling better? grrrr... *sigh* Anyway, does anyone know if the 23rd for Ottawa has been confirmed? I'll be happy with anything I get but I really need reserved seats cuz I can't get there till 4 :( Please help a poor, confused girl :) Even tho I know you guys are sick of the ticket gripes...just think, a few more weeks and we'll all be holding the precious pieces of paper in our possession, Thanx! Shawna =) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:19:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "rainswept@nwu.edu" Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience If, by the first person, you mean my post on saying "In my opinion," it was HARDLY an "attack." If you thought that that was an attack, then anyone who gives you a suggestion would be attacking you. Based on other lists that I have been on --the more civil ones that is-- it is a common practice to include "In my opinion" just to be fair and so that it doesn't sound as though you are "attacking" someone else's opinion. This is just out of kindness. By the way, Sharon --who's post I replied about-- wrote me a very nice private e-mail thanking me for writing what I did as she certainly wouldn't want to offend anyone. So what is the big deal to say "In my opinion" when it can make a difference to the tone of the post? There isn't any big deal. Second, concerning the person who wrote back about the ticket buying experience, while I did think it was kinda funny, it probably did hurt the person's feelings and I certainly wouldn't have been so harsh. I hope that it was all meant in jest and to point out that stereotypes are a decieving thing. An 80-year old grandmother of ten could easily like the people playing the Lilith Fair if she hears a grandchild playing the music all the time. Oh, and yes, some things don't need an "In My opinion" such as this post. but when you are criticizing or making a comment about something, it's best to add that for good measure. It certainly doesn't hurt. On Mon, 4 May 1998, LOTSLER wrote: > In a message dated 98-05-04 16:50:30 EDT, Lndsy@aol.com writes: > > << > whoa people!!!! > (in my opinion) i don't think there is any need to attack someone for giving > an account of her ticket buying experience. flames like that keep everyone > from not wanting to share... > lets be a little kinder eh? > >> > > Amen! I just joined this list and I was surprised to see someone "attacked". > I understand both points of view but I was a little taken aback by the > reponse. I think that when someone posts something like the first person did > and it may contain ideas that someone else doesn't agree with...isn't it > obvious that it was that person's opinion? They shouldn't have to say, "In my > opinion..." > But hey...that's just MY opinion :) > > Amy > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans > -or-- > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest > - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 19:48:37 -0400 From: sean crabtree Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience is this about the review from Allstar or about the chic without good tix??? i commented on both subjects! the one about the review was that guys opinion but i was assuming everyone on the list was a lilith fan and would agree that it was absurd (my opinion) not the actual review but the way he tore it a part! i didn't initially post that review but i've gotten to know more about the girl who did. i don't think she had intentionally planned to make anyone mad or to get "attacked" and neither did i. i posted a 2nd review that seemed less biased and pointed out both good and bad. no i shouldn't have to say "in my opinion" but it does change the way a post is read! now as for the girl who was unhappy, i do feel for her. i didn't have to go through that to get tix because the phone happened to ring at TM! maybe if i had to stand in line i'd understand even more but what upset me about that was the way she put a few things. as for charlie who posted a comment to her, i feel that was too harsh because he bluntly pointed out her mistakes or whatever you wanna call them. maybe we should all try to get along but then again this is the real world with a wide variety of opinions and beliefs etc. what would this list be like with out that??.....opinionated, Leslee LOTSLER wrote: > In a message dated 98-05-04 16:50:30 EDT, Lndsy@aol.com writes: > > << > whoa people!!!! > (in my opinion) i don't think there is any need to attack someone for giving > an account of her ticket buying experience. flames like that keep everyone > from not wanting to share... > lets be a little kinder eh? > >> > > Amen! I just joined this list and I was surprised to see someone "attacked". > I understand both points of view but I was a little taken aback by the > reponse. I think that when someone posts something like the first person did > and it may contain ideas that someone else doesn't agree with...isn't it > obvious that it was that person's opinion? They shouldn't have to say, "In my > opinion..." > But hey...that's just MY opinion :) > > Amy > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans > -or-- > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 19:59:47 -0400 From: sean crabtree Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience hi, leslee again getting tired of me yet! thanks for this letter in light of this commotion! i did feel "attacked" but maybe my other post will explain that. sharon is a nice girl from what i get and it is so nice to hear that she PMed you! this letter better explains your first. and yes you do have some good points. it's sad that were all being so crucial because this is a celebration-not one just of women but i have to say people because you can't have one w/o the other-that is if you beleive in that kind of creation! and rainswept did you read the one i posted after that? what did you think? leslee rainswept@nwu.edu wrote: > If, by the first person, you mean my post on saying "In my opinion," it > was HARDLY an "attack." If you thought that that was an attack, then > anyone who gives you a suggestion would be attacking you. Based on other > lists that I have been on --the more civil ones that is-- it is a common > practice to include "In my opinion" just to be fair and so that it doesn't > sound as though you are "attacking" someone else's opinion. This is just > out of kindness. By the way, Sharon --who's post I replied about-- wrote > me a very nice private e-mail thanking me for writing what I did as she > certainly wouldn't want to offend anyone. So what is the big deal to say > "In my opinion" when it can make a difference to the tone of the post? > There isn't any big deal. > > Second, concerning the person who wrote back about the ticket buying > experience, while I did think it was kinda funny, it probably did hurt the > person's feelings and I certainly wouldn't have been so harsh. I hope > that it was all meant in jest and to point out that stereotypes are a > decieving thing. An 80-year old grandmother of ten could easily like the > people playing the Lilith Fair if she hears a grandchild playing the music > all the time. Oh, and yes, some things don't need an "In My opinion" > such as this post. but when you are criticizing or making a comment about > something, it's best to add that for good measure. It certainly doesn't > hurt. > > On Mon, 4 May 1998, LOTSLER wrote: > > > In a message dated 98-05-04 16:50:30 EDT, Lndsy@aol.com writes: > > > > << > > whoa people!!!! > > (in my opinion) i don't think there is any need to attack someone for giving > > an account of her ticket buying experience. flames like that keep everyone > > from not wanting to share... > > lets be a little kinder eh? > > >> > > > > Amen! I just joined this list and I was surprised to see someone "attacked". > > I understand both points of view but I was a little taken aback by the > > reponse. I think that when someone posts something like the first person did > > and it may contain ideas that someone else doesn't agree with...isn't it > > obvious that it was that person's opinion? They shouldn't have to say, "In my > > opinion..." > > But hey...that's just MY opinion :) > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans > > -or-- > > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans > -or-- > unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:58:19 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience On Mon, 4 May 1998, sean crabtree wrote: > hi, leslee again getting tired of me yet! thanks for this letter in light of this > that? what did you think? leslee Personally, I that if y'all don't start trimming your posts a little I'm gonna start axing subscribers. ;) Seriously, folks, some of these freakin' replies are quoting so much crap that they're bigger than the list's spam filters will let through and they get bounced to me for approval. Please, cut the quoted material in replies to just the text you are replying to. The next time I see someone quote the list footer four times.... Jason - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:27:36 -0700 From: "just a T-Boy (what's a T-Boy, mum?)" Subject: Re: [lilith-fair-fans] My shitty Lilith ticket experience Kathleen Kelly wrote: > > radio station "elfin boy" walked around to interview people then stated > that all golden circle tickets for June 20th were sold and the ones for > the 21st, going fast (those were the ones I wanted). > > Next time I will bring my cell phone, many friends and try to find a > place that doesn't do the lottery thingee. Judging from the people in line for the Shoreline Lilith all trying *vainly* to dial in from their cell phones, and my 3 friends from out-of-state who could only get a "all circuits are busy" message after an hour of repeated dialing (one of them had 3 phones with auto speed redial features, but it didn't help!), I'd have to venture that phoning in for big-ticket events tends to have the odds stacked against you getting a premium seating...but then again, the Spice Girls went on sale an hour earlier, which may have explained the tied-up phone lines... Another approach which has worked for me occasionally in the past is to keep checking the Ticketmaster online purchase site every once in a while, you never know when you might get lucky :o) For example, last winter, I decided at the last moment to try to get tickets to Sarah's concert at the Universal Amphitheatre a few weeks after it was sold out. Acting on the tip of a fumbler (thanks Jess!), I managed to locate a seat about 8 rows back!!! Similarly, I looked online today for a couple of Gorge Lilith tickets and found some in Section B of the Gold Circle (centre section), Row 12! Your chances of a good seat appear to be better if you look for only 1 ticket, or at most 2 together... :) *fumblecheers!* Edward Uh, sorry, no cute or clever signatures to be found here. So there ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:14:49 -0400 From: DEBBIE LOETZ <103334.63@compuserve.com> Subject: [lilith-fair-fans] milwaukee tickets >did the tickets for the milwaukee lilith fair go on sale today?? i live in >chicago, i have no clue how to go about getting tickets for another >city...help!! >hol Hi hol, Being a fellow chicagoan, I know that you can buy tickets to the Milwaukee show at any Ticketmaster in town. That's how we did it last year. This year however we drove up to Kenosha on Saturday moring to avoid the block. they generally will block the sale of tickets to another city for 15 minutes, and since we wanted to get as close as possible we just drove to the nearest WI location. I would hurry though because I know that this show SOLD-OUT last year and with the lineup there this year you probably won't want to miss it. maybe I'll se ya there !!! Debbie - -------------------------------------------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans - -or-- unsubscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest ------------------------------ End of lilith-fair-fans-digest V1 #7 ************************************