From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #530 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 26 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 530 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and her jewish heart [Catherine McKay ] Joni and her jewish heart [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] Re: Jaco documentary [lesli shadowsandlight ] Re: Forward.com: The Secret Jewish History of Joni Mitchell [Bob.Muller@F] Forward.com: The Secret Jewish History of Joni Mitchell ["Susan E. McNama] Re: Jaco documentary [kbhla@fastmail.fm] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:12:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni and her jewish heart I'm finding it too difficult to find the exact articles where Joni has spoken about religion in general or her religion specifically, but I believe she has mentioned a number of times being, or at least being influenced by, Judaism, Buddhism, native spirituality and likely more. And she was raised as a Christian. And she has read a lot of philosophy, mentioning Nietzsche and Plato if not others. She takes from each what works for her. Just doing a google search on "Joni Mitchell religion", you can find articles defining her work in the contexts of a number of different beliefs. It shows that she does a great deal of thinking, and it just adds to her universal appeal! But, it seems to me that Jewish people like to discuss beliefs and the rightness and wrongness of things (any film showing a group of rabbis together seems to suggest that argument/debate/discussion is a great part of that faith. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ingrid Lochrenberg To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 8:07 AM Subject: Joni and her jewish heart I once heard joni say somewhere, that she wishes that she had every type of blood, so that she could tell everyone off. she is in a category of her own, and judaism is really quite exclusive. i have also "wished i was jewishb. i am under such a strong billusionb that i share almost every describable taste with jonib&maybe she has felt that she belongs to that culture as i have. it makes sense that many people stray from being jewish and that there are progeny that are jewish (in their female ancestry) without knowing it. this is what i feel about myself. i think that very likely joni feels the same.... she also mentioned that a cousin or second cousin of hers believes that they have a jewish ancestor - on the motherbs side, of course, and tthat she had a theory that they, jonibs family and hers, were in fact jewish. i have been gone from this list for a long time, and it was because of joni, not despite her. ibll not go into detail apart from saying that i now really believe that allopathic medicine has a place when everything else fails. i feel that i am in-sane, in itbs many manifestations. i know that joni also felt herself to have had a breakdown in her twenties. oh, and about lauriebs songs of shadow, songs of light, i wonder now if some of the message of the album couldnbt be that people are glib when they read jonibs lyrics. i wonder if she is not making a commentary on how trivial others see jonibs experiencess, as if they do not come from deep and heartfelt experience. i donbt mean to say that laurie is glib, just that she infers that others are. i may be be wrong. i thought of all of the jonifest people at the time of the fest. you were uppermost in my mind, those that attended and those that wished they did. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 14:07:43 +0200 From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: Joni and her jewish heart I once heard joni say somewhere, that she wishes that she had every type of blood, so that she could tell everyone off. she is in a category of her own, and judaism is really quite exclusive. i have also "wished i was jewishb. i am under such a strong billusionb that i share almost every describable taste with jonib&maybe she has felt that she belongs to that culture as i have. it makes sense that many people stray from being jewish and that there are progeny that are jewish (in their female ancestry) without knowing it. this is what i feel about myself. i think that very likely joni feels the same.... she also mentioned that a cousin or second cousin of hers believes that they have a jewish ancestor - on the motherbs side, of course, and tthat she had a theory that they, jonibs family and hers, were in fact jewish. i have been gone from this list for a long time, and it was because of joni, not despite her. ibll not go into detail apart from saying that i now really believe that allopathic medicine has a place when everything else fails. i feel that i am in-sane, in itbs many manifestations. i know that joni also felt herself to have had a breakdown in her twenties. oh, and about lauriebs songs of shadow, songs of light, i wonder now if some of the message of the album couldnbt be that people are glib when they read jonibs lyrics. i wonder if she is not making a commentary on how trivial others see jonibs experiencess, as if they do not come from deep and heartfelt experience. i donbt mean to say that laurie is glib, just that she infers that others are. i may be be wrong. i thought of all of the jonifest people at the time of the fest. you were uppermost in my mind, those that attended and those that wished they did. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 00:09:13 -0700 From: lesli shadowsandlight Subject: Re: Jaco documentary yes, that was fun. we were lucky and there was a q and a afterward. didn't robert trujillo, the producer, call joni a pirate? i thought he said that she could talk him under the table. he loved her and she shines in the interviews. On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:15 PM, wrote: > Lesli and I saw a rough cut of the Jaco documentary at the Grammy Museum > a few months ago. It is really exceptional. There were many surprising > and touching revelations throughout and it made me see him in an > entirely new light. It is definitely a must see. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:25:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Forward.com: The Secret Jewish History of Joni Mitchell Well, just to play devil's advocate (you see that religious reference thrown in there?) I would say that Joni's work cast SUCH a wide net that you could make a case for ANY one group, albeit religious, gender, racial, whatever. Like Catherine said so well, Joni is a hodgepodge of many influences, a patchwork quilt of things, having spent her entire life diving diving diving, diving down to pick up every shining thing. Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "How You Get The Girl" From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "'joni@smoe.org'" , Date: 09/24/2015 05:49 PM Subject: Forward.com: The Secret Jewish History of Joni Mitchell Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Great article connecting how Judaism has influenced Joni's art and relationships ... the author makes a convincing argument, I think! http://tinyurl.com/n9b6q8m Sue Tierney McNamara sem8@cornell.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:45:05 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Forward.com: The Secret Jewish History of Joni Mitchell Great article connecting how Judaism has influenced Joni's art and relationships ... the author makes a convincing argument, I think! http://tinyurl.com/n9b6q8m Sue Tierney McNamara sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 14:09:28 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: Jaco documentary That's right! Haha! He said how he liked to sit up and talk all night but Joni was the champ! ;-) Kakki On Fri, Sep 25, 2015, at 12:09 AM, lesli shadowsandlight wrote: > yes, that was fun. we were lucky and there was a q and a afterward. > didn't robert trujillo, the producer, call joni a pirate? i thought > he said that she could talk him under the table. he loved her and she > shines in the interviews. > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:15 PM, wrote: >> Lesli and I saw a rough cut of the Jaco documentary at the >> Grammy Museum >> a few months ago. It is really exceptional. There were many surprising >> and touching revelations throughout and it made me see him in an >> entirely new light. It is definitely a must see. >> >> Kakki - -- kbhla@fastmail.fm ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2015 #530 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------