From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #380 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 30 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 380 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... [] Hidden Treasures..... ["Peter Holmstedt" ] RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... [] RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... [] Re: Laurie at The Bohemian [Michael Paz ] Re: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... [] Laurie at The Bohemian [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... [] RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... [] Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... [] RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... [] RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... [] Re: Newest Covers [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... [] Re: Joni Heaven [Jeff Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:15:23 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... Well silly me...I seem to remember an album after Clouds and before Blue...yeah it was the one with Big Yellow Taxi on it which you just mentioned! I won't even mention his calling her first album "Joni Mitchell" although I suppose I just did. It was kind of cool to see that the writer utilized my Undercover site, have to say. Bob NP: Moby Grape, "Never Again (Sweet Ride)" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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GREG COPELAND - PRETTY GIRL RULES THE WORLD https://youtu.be/JHaUUfnMKNY From the 50th anniversary tribute album, "Hidden Treasures - Singer Songwriters From Home", featuring Bob Cheevers, Greg Copeland, Keith Miles and Barry Ollman, with liner notes by Elliott Murphy, available September 4th, 2015..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:46:07 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... I hear ya Bob. I get cranky at our tributes when 4 or 5 people do incredible deep tracks and then a phenomenal artist that I've been waiting to hear from does BYT. Waaaahhh! I know they can do better, but hey it's a crowd pleaser, and if you have a packed house they are going to be disappointed if they don't hear their favorite song!!! :) From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 1:28 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... I agree with you that it made me smile when he referenced his Mother in terms of being turned on to Joni. Good on ya, Ma! And of course, millenials' relationship to music is different from ours. The whole "buying physical music - - reading album covers and innersleeves - artwork - listening to music as an act unto itself" has morphed into digital apps and software of streaming instantly available and instantly disposable (and forgettable) music. While folks in their 30's and up may still buy CD's and even vinyl, the milennials have no intention of owning product, at least not in the numbers that were once commonplace. As for BYT, I agree with you and no one has heard as many versions of BYT as many times as me. Luckily it's really faded as a go-to cover; so far this year there have only been 3-4 BYT covers whereas last year brought us around 20. At least with BYT they're spread out through the year - with River they start popping out like Duggars from mid November to mid-January. Every once in a while someone does a different thing with it but not often. I hear that piano Jingle Bells riff and just heave a big sigh. Bob NP: Bright Eyes, "Four Winds" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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I'm not sure, in general, if music means to the younger generations what it meant to us who were kids in the 60s and 70s, even 80s, I guess. There has for a long time been a certain exploitation of youth and their tastes but moreso these days. So many songs sound alike and it's not just because my brain won't accept it. There have been many articles on this: nothing succeeds like success, or maybe nothing succeeds like excess. And everyone/everything has a brand and they even offer courses on the consumer society. If people will stand in line overnight to buy a pair of running shoes for $200, then I think we're doomed. Right now my son is out in Victoria BC and he feels a bit lonely now and then. He's close to the ocean and he likes to go down and watch the waves. I decided to send him some Joni-in-BC type songs to suit that mood. He told me he had wanted to get into listening to her stuff but that he had been so turned off by a music teacher they had back in middle school who kept playing "Big Yellow Taxi" over and over again (I don't know if it was Joni's version, or the Counting Crows one, or if the teacher played it himself on guitar). That is pretty much Joni's only song many of them have ever heard. But then, he went on to say how much he liked Glen Hansard's version of "Coyote", which made him interested in Joni's stuff. I sent him some of the FTR stuff (the title track, "Banquet", "Lesson in survival","Let the wind carry me") as well as some of the "Shine" stuff (once again, the title track, "One week last summer" and "This place.") Any more would be overkill. I'll wait to see if h! e asks for more. Feel free to rant any time. Someone has to! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan E. McNamara To: "Bob.Muller@fluor.com" Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... Yeah, there were a couple of flubs but whenever someone says bmy mom likes Joni Mitchellb I know they are probably millennials with no clue what music during the 70s meant to people. Do you think music means the same thing to people today or are my brain cells different because of the lifestyle I was imbedded in at the time? Anyway, the only thing that really bothers me about how millennials talk about Joni Mitchell today is when the only song they ever mention is Big Yellow Taxi. I am really getting sick of Big Yellow Taxi. I think it should be banned, kind of like how the music store banned Stairway to Heaven on Waynebs World. Clearly itbs a great song, but why donbt we try getting sick of hearing Hejira or Night Ride Home. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:30:50 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Laurie at The Bohemian I talked to him the other day and advanced the gig. Nice guy Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com The Paz Group Complete Event Production Services Artist, Tour, and Production Management michael@thepazgroup.com Contact-504-382-0343 Home Office-985-764-0395 SKYPE: jmichaelpaz On Jul 30, 2015, at 2:29 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Saw this promo today and it gave me a big ear-to-ear grin. Gene Berger, who I have known for decades and worked with in setting things up is a HUGE Joni fan. He is one of us. http://blog.horizonrecords.net/2015/07/24/saturday-sept-5th-horizon-records-t he-bohemian-cafe-present-laurie-antonioli-performing-the-music-of-joni-mitche ll/ 5 weeks away...the garden awaits. 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If people will stand in line overnight to buy a pair of running shoes for $200, then I think we're doomed. Right now my son is out in Victoria BC and he feels a bit lonely now and then. He's close to the ocean and he likes to go down and watch the waves. I decided to send him some Joni-in-BC type songs to suit that mood. He told me he had wanted to get into listening to her stuff but that he had been so turned off by a music teacher they had back in middle school who kept playing "Big Yellow Taxi" over and over again (I don't know if it was Joni's version, or the Counting Crows one, or if the teacher played it himself on guitar). That is pretty much Joni's only song many of them have ever heard. But then, he went on to say how much he liked Glen Hansard's version of "Coyote", which made him interested in Joni's stuff. I sent him some of the FTR stuff (the title track, "Banquet", "Lesson in survival","Let the wind carry me") as well as some of the "Shine" stuff (once again, the title track, "One week last summer" and "This place.") Any more would be overkill. I'll wait to see if he asks for more. Feel free to rant any time. Someone has to! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan E. McNamara To: "Bob.Muller@fluor.com" Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... Yeah, there were a couple of flubs but whenever someone says bmy mom likes Joni Mitchellb I know they are probably millennials with no clue what music during the 70s meant to people. Do you think music means the same thing to people today or are my brain cells different because of the lifestyle I was imbedded in at the time? Anyway, the only thing that really bothers me about how millennials talk about Joni Mitchell today is when the only song they ever mention is Big Yellow Taxi. I am really getting sick of Big Yellow Taxi. I think it should be banned, kind of like how the music store banned Stairway to Heaven on Waynebs World. Clearly itbs a great song, but why donbt we try getting sick of hearing Hejira or Night Ride Home. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:29:46 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Laurie at The Bohemian Saw this promo today and it gave me a big ear-to-ear grin. Gene Berger, who I have known for decades and worked with in setting things up is a HUGE Joni fan. He is one of us. http://blog.horizonrecords.net/2015/07/24/saturday-sept-5th-horizon-records-the-bohemian-cafe-present-laurie-antonioli-performing-the-music-of-joni-mitchell/ 5 weeks away...the garden awaits. 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It really reminds me a lot of the "controversy" we had there when Katy Perry suggested in her older years she'd just pick up a guitar and be like a Joni Mitchell. As if it (the art) is just a new sweater she can throw on. I think music meant more to me when I was growing up but there are so many things youngsters are brain-controlled on I cannot honestly compare my youth to theirs at all. On Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:50 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: My daughter has Blue in her iphone but her main gal is Brittany Howard of Alabama Shakes!!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:20 PM To: Susan E. McNamara ; Bob.Muller@fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... I'm not sure, in general, if music means to the younger generations what it meant to us who were kids in the 60s and 70s, even 80s, I guess. There has for a long time been a certain exploitation of youth and their tastes but moreso these days. So many songs sound alike and it's not just because my brain won't accept it. There have been many articles on this: nothing succeeds like success, or maybe nothing succeeds like excess. And everyone/everything has a brand and they even offer courses on the consumer society. If people will stand in line overnight to buy a pair of running shoes for $200, then I think we're doomed. Right now my son is out in Victoria BC and he feels a bit lonely now and then. He's close to the ocean and he likes to go down and watch the waves. I decided to send him some Joni-in-BC type songs to suit that mood. He told me he had wanted to get into listening to her stuff but that he had been so turned off by a music teacher they had back in middle school who kept playing "Big Yellow Taxi" over and over again (I don't know if it was Joni's version, or the Counting Crows one, or if the teacher played it himself on guitar). That is pretty much Joni's only song many of them have ever heard. But then, he went on to say how much he liked Glen Hansard's version of "Coyote", which made him interested in Joni's stuff. I sent him some of the FTR stuff (the title track, "Banquet", "Lesson in survival","Let the wind carry me") as well as some of the "Shine" stuff (once again, the title track, "One week last summer" and "This place.") Any more would be overkill. I'll wait to see if h! e asks for more. Feel free to rant any time. Someone has to! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan E. McNamara To: "Bob.Muller@fluor.com" Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What JoniB Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... Yeah, there were a couple of flubs but whenever someone says bmy mom likes Joni Mitchellb I know they are probably millennials with no clue what music during the 70s meant to people.B Do you think music means the same thing to people today or are my brain cells different because of the lifestyle I was imbedded in at the time?B Anyway, the only thing that really bothers me about how millennials talk about Joni Mitchell today is when the only song they ever mention is Big Yellow Taxi.B I am really getting sick of Big Yellow Taxi.B I think it should be banned, kind of like how the music store banned Stairway to Heaven on Waynebs World.B Clearly itbs a great song, but why donbt we try getting sick of hearing Hejira or Night Ride Home. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:27:41 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... I agree with you that it made me smile when he referenced his Mother in terms of being turned on to Joni. Good on ya, Ma! And of course, millenials' relationship to music is different from ours. The whole "buying physical music - reading album covers and innersleeves - artwork - listening to music as an act unto itself" has morphed into digital apps and software of streaming instantly available and instantly disposable (and forgettable) music. While folks in their 30's and up may still buy CD's and even vinyl, the milennials have no intention of owning product, at least not in the numbers that were once commonplace. As for BYT, I agree with you and no one has heard as many versions of BYT as many times as me. Luckily it's really faded as a go-to cover; so far this year there have only been 3-4 BYT covers whereas last year brought us around 20. At least with BYT they're spread out through the year - with River they start popping out like Duggars from mid November to mid-January. Every once in a while someone does a different thing with it but not often. I hear that piano Jingle Bells riff and just heave a big sigh. Bob NP: Bright Eyes, "Four Winds" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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McNamara" Subject: RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... Hi Mark, I related so much to what you said about your feelings on attending your first Jonifest. My first Jonifest, I think, was at the Full Moon in 2003 or 2004 and I didn't know what to expect. I had been on the list from the beginning and of course there was all the guitar stuff, so people were immediately on me (in a nice way) but this sad introvert was kind of taken aback (they think they know you, they don't know you!) I had such stage fright playing, too! But once I started to relax I realized that these were the same wonderful people I had been talking to for years and I started to calm down. The subsequent Jonifests were a lot more fun after the ice was broken. I do my best not to miss one now (wallet permitting!!!) Love, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Scott [mailto:mark.travis@frontier.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:51 PM To: Susan E. McNamara ; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... Agreed, about 'Sweet Bird', Sue. That last quote in the article is practically lifted from that song. What gets me is that Joni was in her early *30s* when she wrote 'Sweet Bird'! At 61 those words 'Out on some borderline, some mark of in-between, I lay down golden in time and woke up vanishing' have gained so much meaning for me. It seems like nothing more than a short nap in the sun since I was in my 20s and the earth spins and the sky rushes faster and faster all the time. To give this post a bit of lightness, I want to say that I certainly never meant to censor anybody's fond memories of Jonifests or any camaraderie that has developed on the JMDL over the years. Someone posted a picture from the one bona fide Jonifest I attended at Ashara's in 1999 and it made me nostalgic. I know how much joy it has brought to many of your lives to be able to gather with like-minded souls in that way. Apart from other practical concerns, I'm afraid 'I'm just living on nerves and feelings with a weak and a lazy mind' in too many ways. I could have been more forthcoming that weekend in Topsfield in 1999 but, mostly because I longed in my heart to be able to get up on stage and perform and because I don't play an instrument I couldn't, I'm afraid I distanced myself. So much for hindsight. Confession time is over. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. McNamara Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:12 PM To: 'joni@smoe.org' Subject: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... Good article, especially since it looks like he did some research on JM.com (especially the covers page). I think the best lesson in aging is Sweet Bird (although BSN is good, too!) http://tinyurl.com/pkfg6tz Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:11:00 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... I agree Clint ... every dog has its day, and who is to say ours is better than theirs. I'm all for them getting the chance to change the world for the better, whatever music they listen to. :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Clint Norwood Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 3:01 PM To: Susan E. McNamara ; Catherine McKay ; Bob.Muller@fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... I understand about today's "new" music. I do of course hear new stuff I like, its just not the stuff that is most popular. Many popular songs these days are so dumb lyrically (Im calling out Beyonce, Nikki Minaj) that it is hard to judge them without laughing out loud or crying depending on the mood. Many lyrics repeated over and over "She a hoe, she a hoe" etc. The thing I notice about some less than impressive millennials is that they treat music like it is something they wear or a "style." It really reminds me a lot of the "controversy" we had there when Katy Perry suggested in her older years she'd just pick up a guitar and be like a Joni Mitchell. As if it (the art) is just a new sweater she can throw on. I think music meant more to me when I was growing up but there are so many things youngsters are brain-controlled on I cannot honestly compare my youth to theirs at all. On Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:50 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: My daughter has Blue in her iphone but her main gal is Brittany Howard of Alabama Shakes!!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:20 PM To: Susan E. McNamara ; Bob.Muller@fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... I'm not sure, in general, if music means to the younger generations what it meant to us who were kids in the 60s and 70s, even 80s, I guess. There has for a long time been a certain exploitation of youth and their tastes but moreso these days. So many songs sound alike and it's not just because my brain won't accept it. There have been many articles on this: nothing succeeds like success, or maybe nothing succeeds like excess. And everyone/everything has a brand and they even offer courses on the consumer society. If people will stand in line overnight to buy a pair of running shoes for $200, then I think we're doomed. Right now my son is out in Victoria BC and he feels a bit lonely now and then. He's close to the ocean and he likes to go down and watch the waves. I decided to send him some Joni-in-BC type songs to suit that mood. He told me he had wanted to get into listening to her stuff but that he had been so turned off by a music teacher they had back in middle school who kept playing "Big Yellow Taxi" over and over again (I don't know if it was Joni's version, or the Counting Crows one, or if the teacher played it himself on guitar). That is pretty much Joni's only song many of them have ever heard. But then, he went on to say how much he liked Glen Hansard's version of "Coyote", which made him interested in Joni's stuff. I sent him some of the FTR stuff (the title track, "Banquet", "Lesson in survival","Let the wind carry me") as well as some of the "Shine" stuff (once again, the title track, "One week last summer" and "This place.") Any more would be overkill. I'll wait to see if h! e asks for more. Feel free to rant any time. Someone has to! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan E. McNamara To: "Bob.Muller@fluor.com" Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What JoniB Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... Yeah, there were a couple of flubs but whenever someone says bmy mom likes Joni Mitchellb I know they are probably millennials with no clue what music during the 70s meant to people.B Do you think music means the same thing to people today or are my brain cells different because of the lifestyle I was imbedded in at the time?B Anyway, the only thing that really bothers me about how millennials talk about Joni Mitchell today is when the only song they ever mention is Big Yellow Taxi.B I am really getting sick of Big Yellow Taxi.B I think it should be banned, kind of like how the music store banned Stairway to Heaven on Waynebs World.B Clearly itbs a great song, but why donbt we try getting sick of hearing Hejira or Night Ride Home. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:30:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Newest Covers This does sound particularly intriguing; I think I'm going to make the effort to download this tomorrow. > Thanks Jeff - the links are good for a week so it'll expire Saturday. Used to be 2 weeks, but I changed to the free version of Hightail/YouSendIt. The paid version also told me how many folks had downloaded the file, now I have no idea but I do hear from folks every so often so I know that some of you are. I love Barangrill as well and it's one of the few FTR tracks that seeme to be gaining in traction. It will probably never catch You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio as the most-covered song on the record but it has been done more in the last 2 years including Laurie Antonioli's version. Bob NP: Dinosaur Jr, "It's Me" (celebrating music of 2007 today) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:46:35 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... Yeah, there were a couple of flubs but whenever someone says bmy mom likes Joni Mitchellb I know they are probably millennials with no clue what music during the 70s meant to people. Do you think music means the same thing to people today or are my brain cells different because of the lifestyle I was imbedded in at the time? Anyway, the only thing that really bothers me about how millennials talk about Joni Mitchell today is when the only song they ever mention is Big Yellow Taxi. I am really getting sick of Big Yellow Taxi. I think it should be banned, kind of like how the music store banned Stairway to Heaven on Waynebs World. Clearly itbs a great song, but why donbt we try getting sick of hearing Hejira or Night Ride Home. Sue From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:15 AM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Noisey.vice.com: Both Sides, Now and Then: What Joni Mitchell's Songs can teach us about the art of aging ... Well silly me...I seem to remember an album after Clouds and before Blue...yeah it was the one with Big Yellow Taxi on it which you just mentioned! I won't even mention his calling her first album "Joni Mitchell" although I suppose I just did. It was kind of cool to see that the writer utilized my Undercover site, have to say. Bob NP: Moby Grape, "Never Again (Sweet Ride)" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:13:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Joni Heaven <> Yes. She's like aural accupuncture. She restores and equalizes all my inner systems and chakras, lol. Jeff On Monday, July 20, 2015 11:14 AM, Anita G wrote: Jeff, here's my take: "Still I sent up my prayerB Wondering where it had to go" In desperation, still praying......but to where and To whom? No longer any stars in Heaven but astronauts. The Lord on Death Row because I think Joni doesn't believe in Him.B Then we have: "While the millions of his lost and lonely ones Call out and clamour to be found" They are still seeking the Lord (whom we know to be on Death Row) whilst being competitive in Life and at the same time, longing for Love, "Caught in their struggle for higher positionsB And their search for love that sticks around" Ain't she brilliant, whatever it means?AnitaB On 20 July 2015 at 14:56, Jeff Clark wrote: Trudie wrote: <> Well, is it full of astronauts? Is the Lord on death row? Thinking about it, I never understood what those lines meant. Why is the Lord on death row? JeffNP: CSN, Southern Cross ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2015 #380 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------