From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #185 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, June 29 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 185 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Chris Squire passed on @ 67 years ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Chris Squire passed on @ 67 years [Clint Norwood ] Re: Chris Squire passed on @ 67 years ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:56:28 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Chris Squire passed on @ 67 years Yeah, probably so. Before you showed up, someone asked why there are so many Yes fans among Joni fans. Someone said, "blonde sopranos". :) I said, "I think Stravinsky is the straight line between those two points." Jim PS, I have a theory, which I call "theory #1". And the theory (that I have), is mine. > On Jun 29, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > I have a theory... that Joni was influenced by English Prog music... Anyone else like the theory? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:46:11 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Chris Squire passed on @ 67 years I have a theory, which is based on no evidence whatsoever, that Joni was influenced by English Prog music. Consider: starting in 1972 she began writing songs with orchestral cadenzas and complex interludes (Judgement, Let the Wind Carry Me, Down to You) culminating in 1977 with Paprika Plains whose entire middle movement is piano and orchestra. Those were almost exactly the ascent and descent years of Prog music in terms of its inventiveness and popularity. Furthermore we know Joni was a fan of several English artists, Peter Gabriel, The Police, Sting, Seal. Isnbt it plausible that she heard something like Yes at the time of Close to the Edge? She was back in L.A and FM stations were no doubt playing it. Anyone else like the theory? cheers Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 22:01:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: Chris Squire passed on @ 67 years Funny you mention "Going for the One." That is solidly my favorite all time Yes album. Top to bottom it has the best of both worlds in terms of good radio songs and great epic pieces. As far as 90125 and Big Generator goes, I used to greatly denigrate these because as some said "its not real Yes." Currently I am undergoing a great change in my view of Rabin Yes. I love it and Rabin wasn't trying to be Yes. Trevor Rabin is a really great guy and musician. As the years go by I like him more and more.Funny how maturity and careful listening overcomes ignorant knee jerk emotions one has. But to your question, I really liked "Open Your Eyes" but I was able to hear that one a lot more and in depth than some others. Love Squire's "time to face reality." ;) From Big Generator's "Almost Like Love" "Who was it organizing the right To follow my leader? Seems we look and stand around waiting For a sign from GodSpeaking for myself The Christian need, the Muslim need The Buddhist need To testify the need for brotherly love" AMEN!! On Monday, June 29, 2015 4:49 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: I have a theory, which is based on no evidence whatsoever, that Joni was influenced by English Prog music. Consider: starting in 1972 she began writing songs with orchestral cadenzas and complex interludes (Judgement, Let the Wind Carry Me, Down to You) culminating in 1977 with Paprika Plains whose entire middle movement is piano and orchestra. Those were almost exactly the ascent and descent years of Prog music in terms of its inventiveness and popularity. Furthermore we know Joni was a fan of several English artists, Peter Gabriel, The Police, Sting, Seal. Isnbt it plausible that she heard something like Yes at the time of Close to the Edge? She was back in L.A and FM stations were no doubt playing it. Anyone else like the theory? cheers Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 22:03:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: Chris Squire passed on @ 67 years My theory is we love artists who are artists first. Of course Yes is/was a commercial band and yes they had legal fights but I never thought they put out records just to make money. Joni ALWAYS champions art over anything else and is rough and rude about it. We need more of these. All of the new "artists" talk about marketing first and then music second. Cardinal sin in my mind.-Clint On Monday, June 29, 2015 5:01 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Yeah, probably so. Before you showed up, someone asked why there are so many Yes fans among Joni fans. Someone said, "blonde sopranos".B :) I said, "I think Stravinsky is the straight line between those two points." Jim PS, I have a theory, which I call "theory #1".B And the theory (that I have), is mine. > On Jun 29, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > I have a theory... that Joni was influenced by English Prog music... Anyone else like the theory? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:56:28 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Chris Squire passed on @ 67 years Yeah, probably so. Before you showed up, someone asked why there are so many Yes fans among Joni fans. Someone said, "blonde sopranos". :) I said, "I think Stravinsky is the straight line between those two points." Jim PS, I have a theory, which I call "theory #1". And the theory (that I have), is mine. > On Jun 29, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > I have a theory... that Joni was influenced by English Prog music... Anyone else like the theory? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:14:29 -0400 From: Rebecca Alexander Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2015 #179 I was most angry at him calling Joni his old lady. How arrogant!!! Sent via the Samsung Galaxy NoteB. 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone - -------- Original message -------- From: JMDL Digest Date: 06/28/2015 4:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #179 JMDL Digest Sunday, June 28 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 179 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- =?utf-8?B?UmU6IDogUmU6IERhdmlkIENyb3NieSBvbiBKb25pJ3MgaGVhbHRo? = ["=?utf] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:41:39 -0400 From: "=?utf-8?B?Z3BrbTYyMDhAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ=?=" Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IDogUmU6IERhdmlkIENyb3NieSBvbiBKb25pJ3MgaGVhbHRo? = Another great piece of news in an especially eventful news week. Sent from my HTC - - ----- Reply message ----- From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "Stephen Clifton" Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Subject: Re: : Re: David Crosby on Joni's health Date: Sun, Jun 28, 2015 4:00 PM Hi Stephen! Thanks for de lurking! Since there has been a response from Leslie Morris about Joni's condition, (thanks Les!) I can say honestly that I am even more pissed at Crosby ... I'm not sure if Joni wrote the line or he did but "a loud mouth is stricken deaf and dumb" I wonder if he will do another interview now apologizing. Well I guess I should just calm down and be happy that Joni is speaking and feeling better every day. Yeah!! I also think you are right that if TMZ hadn't caught the info about the ambulance or broke the news about the court filing we may have known much less, except for the fact that she cancelled her appearance at the SF Jazz tribute. Sue Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 28, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Stephen Clifton wrote: > > Susan and all, > I don't post much here but read everything (been a member since late 90's) > and I must agree with you on the Crosby comments on Joni. I think this would > piss her off as it did me, it just rubbed me the wrong way I suppose because > he has always rubbed me the wrong way - he is sort of a blowhard...always > saying "she was my old lady, man". I know she wrote "My old Man" 40 years > ago but anyway I don't think Crosby is in her tight circle and I know she > has one and obviously by her wishes she wants things quiet and on her terms. > Also, I think if TMZ had not had a lucky ambulance tracker day in Hollywood > we might know very little of this or nothing as health and crisis has been a > part of her private life for her whole career. He has gotten tons of press > off of her and I doubt these interviews would be covered as they are without > her reference. Malka's comments were much more encouraging and respectfully > vague. Crosby's comments may be true - I don't know but I wait for something > official beginning (hopefully) with the words "contrary to..." but now we > have "Joni can't Speak" everywhere. Sorry for the rant. Also, Crosby has > graciously and constantly praises Joni as better than the best, even him, I > acknowledge that and his talent, his gift as well. And I think she had the > best care possible. > Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:00 AM > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #176 > > > JMDL Digest Sunday, June 28 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 176 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: David Crosby on Joni's health ["Susan E. McNamara" > ] > Joni Covers, Volume 222 - That was just a dream some of us had [Bob > Mulle] > RE: Saturday thoughts about Joni [Barbara Sullivan > ] > Re: Saturday thoughts about Joni [Catherine McKay > ] > Re: David Crosby on Joni's health [Michael Paz > ] > Re: David Crosby on Joni's health ["mep@chorus.net" > ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:05:27 +0000 > From: "Susan E. McNamara" > Subject: Re: David Crosby on Joni's health > > The big question I need answered for my own peace of mind is ... Can she > communicate and does she feel loved and cared for? I feel very sad and > slightly pissed at Crosby, but I guess I shouldn't shoot the messenger. > > I know Crosby has been a good friend and big part of her life and career, > but he's really opinionated and a bit of a blabber mouth. Has Larry Klein > made any announcements or Kilauren? The remarks by James Taylor and Graham > Nash seemed more guarded. > > Continuing to pray .... Sue > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 27, 2015, at 8:43 AM, "mep@chorus.net" wrote: >> >> Mary M. Morris wrote: >> >> "Forgive me if this was posted already, but I just saw it. Not great >> news, but it could be worse. >> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/26/david-crosby-joni-mitchell_n_ >> 7673682 >> .html" >> >> Mary, thanks for posting this segment: B I hadn't seen it. The >> interview is listed as being posted on 6/26/15 (yesterday), so it's >> one the most recent statements on Joni's health that we have. B >> >> Crosby confirmed that Joni "isn't talking yet"; B that's she's at home and > recovering; that she suffered an aneurysm, and also, what some probably > suspected: B that she wasn't found for a while. B Other than that, he didn't > say much new factually, which B is likely in keeping with what he knows Joni > would want. B What struck me, though, was his clear affection and admiration > for her, even after all these years. B That came through loud and clear. >> >> Mary P. >> >> P.S. B We have a radio station called Triple M in my town! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:59:21 +0000 (UTC) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 222 - That was just a dream some of us had > > Well well well...one week later and my state is going to take down their > racist flag from the Statehouse grounds, the ACA is locked in and everyone > gets to get married. My my my.Meanwhile here in coverville, things are > choogling along as always and just like America we are MOVING ON with Volume > 222. The late Etta James gets us started with her Amelia that was never > released and is quite nice. Several names you'll recognize on this one; > Idina Menzel, Heart, Brian Kennedy, and lots of great recordings from them > and others. A couple of really rare vinyl tracks (Just Like This Train & The > Circle Game) and all the rest. > A mighty mighty thanks to Allan and Paul for sending me a couple of these. > https://www.hightail.com/download/bXBaOGNVdkc4Q1NjZDhUQw > 1. Etta James - Amelia2. Shanti - Both Sides Now3. Idina Menzel - River4. > Irma Schultz - This Flight Tonight5. Brian Kennedy - Michael From > Mountains6. Catherine Miles - The Last Time I Saw Richard7. Aled Jones - > Both Sides Now8. Measha Brueggergosman - River9. Rock Kids Biz - Big Yellow > Taxi10. Josephine Sanges - Twisted11. Bill Overton - A Case Of You12. Edith > van den Heuvel & Frank Harrison - Both Sides Now13. Heart - The River14. > Mike Agranoff - Urge For Going15. John Lehmann-Haupt - Just Like This > Train16. Geri Childs - I Don't Know Where I Stand17. The Black Diamond Folk > Group - The Circle Game18. Phil Christie - River > 18 songs, 18 hits - enjoy! > Bob > NP: Alice In Chains, "Down In A Hole" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:55:37 -0400 > From: Barbara Sullivan > Subject: RE: Saturday thoughts about Joni > > Thanks for your thoughts, they made me feel better.I was in tears yesterday > when Crosby said she could not talk.Barb >> From: mjsentance@gmail.com >> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:52:44 -0400 >> Subject: Saturday thoughts about Joni >> To: joni@smoe.org >> >> With David Crosby's statement, it appears that what I expected may be > true. >> I can only image her anger and frustration. Several years ago, an IV >> was inserted in my hand and struck a nerve. I lost my ability to >> undertake any fine-motor skills - like gripping and manipulating a >> pen. I had to relearn to print and write. I once was an editorial >> cartoonist and used to do calligraphy so I found this loss to be > embarrassing and frustrating. >> >> Further, the attention that all of this has brought must trouble her >> greatly. I was re-reading Malka Marom's conversations with Joni. In >> the first set of conversations, Joni talked about the public scrutiny >> of Sandra Dee's break-up with Bobby Darin and how the paparazzi >> photographed her pain. She said "I thought that would be unbearable to >> me -- to be looked at like a bug." Her response to the press sparked her > poem, "The Fishbowl". >> >> One can imagine an updated version evolving even now. >> >> Two other thoughts: song is sometimes used as a therapy for people who >> have lost speech through a brain injury. That would be a nice development. >> >> Also I feel certain that we will hear from Joni again, that she will >> recover her ability speak. And the reason that I feel that way is >> because I think she will want to yell at Crosby one more time. >> >> Best to all. >> >> Michael > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 20:02:42 +0000 (UTC) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: Saturday thoughts about Joni > > My thoughts exactly, Michael. > From: Michael Sentance > To: "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:52 PM > Subject: Saturday thoughts about Joni > > > > Also I feel certain that we will hear from Joni again, that she will > recover her ability speak. And the reason that I feel that way is because I > think she will want to yell at Crosby one more time. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:09:38 -0500 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: David Crosby on Joni's health > > IT sounded to me like he was not really sure about it... > > > > On Jun 27, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > The big question I need answered for my own peace of mind is ... Can she > communicate and does she feel loved and cared for? I feel very sad and > slightly pissed at Crosby, but I guess I shouldn't shoot the messenger. > > I know Crosby has been a good friend and big part of her life and career, > but he's really opinionated and a bit of a blabber mouth. Has Larry Klein > made any announcements or Kilauren? The remarks by James Taylor and Graham > Nash seemed more guarded. > > Continuing to pray .... Sue > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 27, 2015, at 8:43 AM, "mep@chorus.net" wrote: >> >> Mary M. Morris wrote: >> >> "Forgive me if this was posted already, but I just saw it. Not great news, > but >> it could be worse. > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/26/david-crosby-joni-mitchell_n_767368 > 2 >> .html" >> >> Mary, thanks for posting this segment: B I hadn't seen it. The interview > is listed as being posted on 6/26/15 (yesterday), so it's one the most > recent statements on Joni's health that we have. B >> >> Crosby confirmed that Joni "isn't talking yet"; B that's she's at home and > recovering; that she suffered an aneurysm, and also, what some probably > suspected: B that she wasn't found for a while. B Other than that, he didn't > say much new factually, which B is likely in keeping with what he knows Joni > would want. B What struck me, though, was his clear affection and admiration > for her, even after all these years. B That came through loud and clear. >> >> Mary P. >> >> P.S. B We have a radio station called Triple M in my town! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:24:00 -0400 (EDT) > From: "mep@chorus.net" > Subject: Re: David Crosby on Joni's health > > Mark: > > Trusting more what Malka Marom has said occurred to me after I posted my > comment this morning, as did uncertainty as to how much Crosby has actually > been in contact with Joni. B On the other hand, I wouldn't put too much > stock in the phrasing: B "To my knowledge she is not speaking yet" may have > just been Crosby's way of attempting to be guarded (hard as that is for > him!), or acknowledging that change was possible between his last contact > with anyone about Joni's health and the time of the interview. B > > Bottom line: B we still don't know much, and may not for a while. B Sue's > idea of praying (or meditating, or sending love to Joni, or whatever feels > right) is the one I'm sticking with. > > Mary P. > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Scott" > To: "Michael Paz" , "Susan E. McNamara" > > Cc: mep@chorus.net, joni@smoe.org, joni2city@hotmail.com > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:39:03 PM > Subject: Re: David Crosby on Joni's health > > That was my impression, too, Paz. B Crosby said 'To my knowledge she is not > speaking yet'. B Personally, I would trust what Malka Marom has to say more > than Crosby's speculation. > > Mark in Seattle > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Paz > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 9:09 AM > To: Susan E. McNamara > Cc: mep@chorus.net ; joni@smoe.org ; joni2city@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: David Crosby on Joni's health > > IT sounded to me like he was not really sure about it... > > > > On Jun 27, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > The big question I need answered for my own peace of mind is ... Can she > communicate and does she feel loved and cared for? I feel very sad and > slightly pissed at Crosby, but I guess I shouldn't shoot the messenger. > > I know Crosby has been a good friend and big part of her life and career, > but he's really opinionated and a bit of a blabber mouth. B Has Larry Klein > made any announcements or Kilauren? The remarks by James Taylor and Graham > Nash seemed more guarded. > > Continuing to pray .... Sue > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 27, 2015, at 8:43 AM, "mep@chorus.net" wrote: >> >> Mary M. Morris wrote: >> >> "Forgive me if this was posted already, but I just saw it. Not great news, > >> but >> it could be worse. > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/26/david-crosby-joni-mitchell_n_767368 > 2 >> .html" >> >> Mary, thanks for posting this segment: B I hadn't seen it. The interview >> is listed as being posted on 6/26/15 (yesterday), so it's one the most >> recent statements on Joni's health that we have. B >> >> Crosby confirmed that Joni "isn't talking yet"; B that's she's at home and > >> recovering; that she suffered an aneurysm, and also, what some probably >> suspected: B that she wasn't found for a while. B Other than that, he >> didn't say much new factually, which B is likely in keeping with what he >> knows Joni would want. B What struck me, though, was his clear affection >> and admiration for her, even after all these years. B That came through >> loud and clear. >> >> Mary P. >> >> P.S. B We have a radio station called Triple M in my town! > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2015 #176 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2015 #179 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2015 #185 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------