From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #164 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, June 21 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 164 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- in-case- NJC [ingrid lochrenberg ] Pope possibly closet Joni fan [Jeff Clark ] Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #138 ["Autumn Scott" ] Bland -njc [ingrid lochrenberg ] Re: Labor Day Fest njc [lawntreader@googlemail.com] A Joni fan [Michael Sentance ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 16:42:50 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: in-case- NJC Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton are the only one could could possible win the presidential race. Everyone likes blondes. Don't come and pretend that you even have a fighting chance if your hair is not blond. Everyone else might as well throw in the towel. No use to start complaining now at this late stage of the game about appearances....about it being skin-deep or anything like that. It's not like anything else has more reliability.....principles, morals, policies, personality......how will we know if you leave the room what your personality is going to be like next door??? At least if you look blonde we know full well that you'll be blonde whether you're with Jamie Dimon, Elizabeth Warren,anyone and everyone.And if you're with Elizabeth Warren at least we know there's sense that going to be spoken, her hair being blonde and all that. Jamie Dimon is simply not blond enough anymore, if he ever was. Even if you age overnight you'll still be more or less blonde the next day. Just do a proper job and make it even blonder Donald, or you know you're not going to have a fair chance. No complaints about policies or anything else unless you're not at least qualifying.....It's no good trying out your silver or black hair here. We know it's all about appearances so don't start complaining now. We've heard it all. We want to know what we're in for. Don't come and try out your woodwork marks on over there just because Julius Malema over here in South Africa has shown himself to be a genius. No-one will buy that there. Everyone is far too educated to be able to recognize brilliance when they see it. Don't pretend it's unfair to anyone. Whether you're black, Asian American, African American....you know it's a question of dying your hair blonde. If you can't figure that out we're not interested in your values. Everybody wants to know what they're in for, and everyone has had enough of illusions and pretenses. Everyones eyes are wide open at last. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:02:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Pope possibly closet Joni fan Mary wrote: <> I do recall seeing that and thinking, what odd bedfellows that makes! That's a more unlikely duo than Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga. The four of them would make quite a supergroup. They could go on some sort of tour promoting peace and diversity amidst all this polarization. I'm also a one foot in, one foot out Catholic and thought of Shine particularly when I heard of the Pope's latest (I forget the word) edict. JeffNP Tony Bennett, These Foolish Things ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 00:08:32 -0700 From: "Autumn Scott" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #138 Thanks for taking the time to write your thoughtful comments, Catherine. I've been pondering this question, as have so many others. Occasionally, I've found articles about a person who has changed their ways after having spent several years as part of a White supremacist group. It's always fascinating to me. I've been a big fan of the work that Southern Poverty Law Center does for several decades. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 02:52:37 +0000 (UTC) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #128 > > I think there is a certain type of person who can't or won't take > responsibility for their own inability to get on in life and who feel the > need to blame someone else, or, more usually, a group of others, whether > it's women, or black people, or someone who is somehow different from > them. I don't know if that's mental illness, or a personality disorder > (which may or may not be a form of mental illness), or whether "being an > asshole" is a category unto itself, but there does seem to be an asshole > quotient in most societies. Maybe it's narcissism, maybe it's denial of > reality, maybe it's an inability to accept that they have some sort of > responsibility to do what they can with whatever talents they may have and > not to expect to be handed things. It's not an excuse for their actions, > since there are also many people, in fact, the vast majority who do NOT do > these things, even if they are angry. But, I do think that this is > definitely a form of terrorism, since the acts this type! > of person commits is very much like what terrorists do. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 17:23:03 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: Bland -njc Oh! I only wrote that in-case Joni could read it. We know her music made it because she was blonde, and for no other reason. We know what it takes. No need for anyone else to read it unless they're bored. No complaints about being delusional to wonder if Joni might read it. Maybe she will. Not that it matters anyway. It's bland enough for a lazy Sunday. Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:51:38 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Labor Day Fest njc Victor, well said. Whilst there times to boycott (South Africa for one) to stay and tackle bigotry is what we all need to do all the time. To be honest, I experienced Lori's email as quite abusive of your home, Bob. All I could remember how kind you were along with other JMDL folk when Steph and I had some homophobic abuse going on and were being harassed. Our house was being pelted with unpleasant stuff some years ago and we were being followed down the streets. It was so scary. You were so concerned for us and so supportive. To have someone be so rude about where you live, Bob, and knowing you......well, I found it painful to read. I am really sorry that came your way. I know you tackle racism,sexism and homophobia - any injustice, where you find it. May your Joni Fest be the beautiful, peaceful and loving place that your spirit deserves, Anita > On 20 Jun 2015, at 23:47, Victor wrote: > > But in my opinion, Lori didn't do anything...except make a big production about not going to the SC Jonifest and withdrawing from the list. I see that more as self-serving and a way to draw attention to one's self than making any meaningful statement. > > The person I admire is Bob Muller for standing up to the bigots and backwards yokels in South Carolina and holding a Jonifest right in the middle of all of that wicked state. Fuck all of those rednecks and confederate assholes. Jonifest cannot be stopped. Jonifest rules! Hell yes there will be a Jonifest in Greenville, SC and that's the gospel truth!!!! > > Victor in Bend > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 20, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mark Scott wrote: >> >> While I agree that South Carolina doesn't have the market cornered on bigotry and hate and I also admit that I do pretty much nothing to try and make a difference, I do have to admire Lori for taking a stance and speaking her mind. There is a huge, ugly conflict brewing in this country. The tragedy in Charleston is just the latest to make the evening news. It follows on the heals of all of the reports of abuses of power coming to light in police forces all around the nation, including here in the city of Seattle which is known for its liberal political stance on most issues. As I said, I have a tendency to wring my hands and do nothing. Travis gets irritated with me for not reading the newspaper or paying attention to the television news. So I am guilty of some burying of my head in the sand. The news is depressing so I don't like to read or hear it. But it doesn't make the ugliness go away. >> >> Jon Stewart had some pertinent things to say about Charleston if anybody is interested. He makes some very valid points: >> >> https://tinyurl.com/oenrkms >> >> Sorry to see you go again, Lori, but I will keep tabs with you on Facebook. >> >> Since this post isn't really about the Labor Day Fest which I just want to say, in my mind, has nothing to do with racism, and there is no Joni content, I have marked it njc. >> >> Mark in Seattle >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz >> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 6:09 AM >> To: Lori Renee Fye >> Cc: Laura Stanley ; Joni List >> Subject: Re: Labor Day Fest >> >> breathe babee breathe... >> Wishing you peace... >> >> Michael Paz >> michael@thepazgroup.com >> >> The Paz Group >> Complete Event Production Services >> Artist, Tour, and Production Management >> michael@thepazgroup.com >> Contact-504-382-0343 >> Home Office-985-764-0395 >> SKYPE: jmichaelpaz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 19, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Lori Renee Fye wrote: >> >> Nope. Sorry. There are other places to have a Jonifest. South Carolina, >> with its fucked up Confederate flag flying over the state house, isn't one >> of them. I boycott most of the Southern states anyway for various reasons, >> along with a few non-Southern states. The people who live in those states >> allow the shit that goes on to continue, and I have an ever-decreasing >> tolerance for it. >> >> And yes, Idaho is fucked up too. I'll be making some decisions about >> staying in Idaho as well. >> >> Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 09:07:37 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: A Joni fan I was following a link then a link on the web and came across this interview with Zac Brown on the Grammy web site: "When I saw [the Band's 1978 concert movie] The Last Waltz for the first time, that changed my life. I was a fan of everybody who came up there with them. Joni Mitchell: I named my fourth daughter Joni." Just thought I would pass it along. 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