From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #31 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, May 31 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 031 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2015 #30 [woconnor ] Joni Covers, Volume 220 - Gone, just as lonely as before, There's his smoke against the ceiling [Bob Mull] Re: Update on Joni (aneurism v. stroke) ["mep@chorus.net" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2015 #30 Well, I guess it doesn't hurt to speculate and ruminate on that news report; however it must be fully understood that this is generalized information. B If they are saying that a person did not have a stroke; what they most probably mean is that they did not infarct brain tissue. B A stroke is usually considered a blood clot that blocks blood flow and kills brain tissue. B When they report that a person had an aneurysm, it only says there was a ballooning out of the structure. B Aneurysms are dilations of arteries in the brain. B Just having an aneurysm is usually not a damaging event unless it ruptures. B In that event, it bleeds into the brain and displaces it. B The pressure damages brain matter and can put a person on life support for a time while the blood is evacuated or is absorbed but not necessarily permanent damage. B The fact that a person is requiring rehabilitation implies that some type of damage occurred, either by the bleed or the attempt to repair it. B As a personal aside, I had a patient who suffered an aneurysmal bleed and her recovery after 6 months was so complete that it could not be recognized that she had any damage. B So, that is a very hopeful consideration for anyone who had an event caused by an aneurysm. B Usually, until six months have passed, it is premature to make statements about the degree of disability or residual deficit. B Undoubtedly, when a person requires rehabilitation, some damage has occurred; but it is way too early to comment on how that will effect their future function. B Regardless, the act of making it to rehab is a great achievement, and every reason to celebrate, because that is the darkest time and having made it through that gives every real reason to believe a recovery is highly probable.B The state of the art of medical sciences and the people who make that reality which can bring a person through that calamity is something of which a society can be proud. B It is their song that is sung to ageing children, of which we all are one. With continued ! good car e, there is every reason for optimism. B It would be a nice gesture if people would send a thank you note to her hospital and staff for giving us some more time with Joni. Will the Druid. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone - -------- Original message -------- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Date: 05/30/2015 12:00 AM (GMT-08:00) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #30 JMDL DigestB B B B B B B B B Saturday, May 30 2015B B B B B B B B B Volume 2015 : Number 030 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- B Fwd: Re: Update on Joni (aneurism v. stroke)B ["David J. Phillips" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 18:25:21 -0400 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Fwd: Re: Update on Joni (aneurism v. stroke) I tried to post this this morning, but it bounced ("greylisting in effect") trying again... djp - - -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: Update on Joni (aneurism v. stroke) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 09:19:01 -0400 From: David J. Phillips Reply-To: djp@davidjphillips.org CC: JMDL Doing the google so you don't have to.... I was confused by the aneurism but no stroke. I thought a brain aneurism was a stroke.B But, no! A stroke (death of brain cells) might be caused by lack of blood due to a hemorrhage (bleeding) which might be caused by an aneurism (weakened and distended blood vessel). This research is, I think, my way of putting off any emotional reaction. djp On 29/05/15B B B 07:0418, Moni Kellermann wrote: > Am 29.05.2015 um 09:54 schrieb Sally: >> Anyone else hear anything about this info or the validity thereof: >> >> http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/05/29/update-joni-mitchell-moved-to-rehab-improving-after-brain-aneurysm >> >> >> Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > > > Sounds legit enough! > > This is actually a piece of information that I wish the public had been > given from an official source (whoever that is these days). It states in > short terms what happened (she had a brain aneurysm) and what the > current situation is (she has been moved from the hospital to a rehab > facility). I don't see any deep privacy issues here. I would have > preferred to have a more precise information right away which would have > prevented those ridiculous "Morgellons" stories. Anyway, she appears to > make progress which is good news. > > > moni k. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 10:50:34 -0400 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Just saw this update on Joni this morning I can't help but wonder, if this news is true, whether there's any connection between brain aneurysm and post polio syndrome. I only say that because of Neil Young having also had polio in the same outbreak as Joni and having suffered a brain aneurysm 10 years ago. I'm hoping for the best for Joni. lots of love, Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 22:37:51 -0400 From: josephbmcgowan@aol.com Subject: Pat Boland Hi Joni Group, I had exchanged several dozen E-mails with Pat over the Years. I actually spoken with him once as well. He lived overseas but a Five Dollar Phonecard gave us about a half hour conversation. He had told me back then that he was very I'll and I suspect he was certainly expecting to depart this Sphere far earlier then now. What was so cool was that he remembered all these old forgotten Joni Songs and I felt so Privileged when I eventually found recordings of Joni performing them, and was able to again allow Him to hear them once more. I recall how thrilled he was to have the Complete three verse version of "Just Like Me", the enchanting "Moon in the Mirror" and "Strawflower Me" ( which Joni Hardly ever played) As Heaven surely has Open Stages for all the Great Artists still wishing to play, Then I believe Pat will likely be the first to greet Joni whenever her spirit chooses to return home. B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B Goodbye Pat, - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 07:36:25 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Pat Boland remembrance As I read through the posts about Pat, I'm thinking his family should know how dear he was to this community. Does anyone know who we might reach out to and how? I'm honestly still in such shock. You really don't know what you've got til it's gone. His posts and pix always made me smile. Lots of love, Anne - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2015 #30 **************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 14:14:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 220 - Gone, just as lonely as before, There's his smoke against the ceiling The lyric in the subject line seems appropriate as we remember and mourn Pat Henry Boland. It comes from a 19966 Joni song titled "Sad Winds Blowin'". Pat may have heard Joni perform it. We had many discussions about the old unreleased songs - an obsession we both shared.B So here's Volume 220, a FRESH collection of covers. Mostly from 2014, the oldest of these is from 2008. Slouching Towards Bethlehem is seldom done and only Kadoos bring it in Dutch. Olga Konkova's LOTC is lovely. Will Taylor and Strings Attached are big Joni fans, going back to their studio version of 'Black Crow' and continuing on through their tribute CD in 2007. The (4) cuts here are from a "Strings On Grass" concert they did last September. Two of the songs in this set are songs that Joni never released. https://www.yousendit.com/download/bXBic0wrUzc4NVZESjhUQw 1. Jillette Johnson - River 2. Kadoos - Slepend (Slouching Towards Bethlehem/Dutch) 3. Margot Macdonald, Lea, Deeme Katson& Grace Griffith - Carey 4. Big Yellow Taxi - Winter Lady 5. Nirosta Steel - River 6. Olga Konkova - Ladies Of The Canyon 7. Erik Archbold & Laura Schopen - Woodstock 8. Phil Moseley - Urge For Going 9. Joanie Samra & Jesse Green - River 10. Tasha Bond - Big Yellow Taxi 11. Tony Voltaggio - Both Sides Now 12. Renee Forrester - The Last Time I Saw Richard 13. Sinai Vessel - River 14. Molly Venter with Strings Attached - Favorite Color 15. Molly Venter with Strings Attached - Chelsea Morning 16. Molly Venter with Strings Attached - A Case Of You 17. Karen Mal with Strings Attached - Both Sides Now 17 songs, 17 hits. Enjoy. Bob NP: Joanie Samra & Jesse Green - River ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 19:03:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "mep@chorus.net" Subject: Re: Update on Joni (aneurism v. stroke) As I understand it, there are two kinds of strokes: ischemic, caused by blockage within a blood vessel and consequent interruption of blood flow to the brain, and hemorrhagic, caused by bleeding into the brain. The latter may be by a occasioned by a ruptured aneurysm. That said, I'm glad we have some idea now about what's been going on with Joni, and how she's doing. Mary. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J. Phillips" To: joni@smoe.org, mep@chorus.net Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 5:25:21 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Update on Joni (aneurism v. stroke) I tried to post this this morning, but it bounced ("greylisting in effect") trying again... djp - -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: Update on Joni (aneurism v. stroke) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 09:19:01 -0400 From: David J. Phillips Reply-To: djp@davidjphillips.org CC: JMDL Doing the google so you don't have to.... I was confused by the aneurism but no stroke. I thought a brain aneurism was a stroke. But, no! A stroke (death of brain cells) might be caused by lack of blood due to a hemorrhage (bleeding) which might be caused by an aneurism (weakened and distended blood vessel). This research is, I think, my way of putting off any emotional reaction. djp On 29/05/15 07:0418, Moni Kellermann wrote: > Am 29.05.2015 um 09:54 schrieb Sally: >> Anyone else hear anything about this info or the validity thereof: >> >> http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/05/29/update-joni-mitchell-moved-to-rehab-improving-after-brain-aneurysm >> >> >> Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > > > Sounds legit enough! > > This is actually a piece of information that I wish the public had been > given from an official source (whoever that is these days). It states in > short terms what happened (she had a brain aneurysm) and what the > current situation is (she has been moved from the hospital to a rehab > facility). I don't see any deep privacy issues here. I would have > preferred to have a more precise information right away which would have > prevented those ridiculous "Morgellons" stories. Anyway, she appears to > make progress which is good news. > > > moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 17:10:52 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: Pat Boland Nope, I don't recall one negative moment from Pat, Catherine. Then Mark wrote: > I never met him but I know he was a sweet and loving soul. I will never > forget the joy he expressed when his sister or somebody else close to him > sent him that photo that was taken of him and Joni and, I think, Chuck, > back when Pat knew them both. There at last was tangible proof, along with > flyers and ticket stubs, that he really did perform on the same stage > with her. It is amazing to read of so many people on Facebook who have related that Pat kept up a regular private correspondence with him I checked my history of FB messages from him today and saw the past was just on May 6th. I was so used to seeing him there everyday and had been concerned when he went missing the past week. I remember when he first came on the list (As "P. Henry" and a few people were dubious and challenged him that he had known Joni so far back. Last December he sent me this old post from the JMDL archives in Dec. 1998 where I wrote my little defense of him and asked me if I remembered it. We had a good laugh about it all and I was somewhat embarrassed because that was back when I was much more wordy in my posts (a habit I improved somewhat but not entirely over the years - haha!) As some will recall, he also found two old friends from back in the Cellar days who joined the list for awhile - Brian Moss and Cul Heath - and who corroborated Pat's posts and even added more great detail to those days. Here is the old post he sent me on FB. The person challenging him hasn't bee here in years and I've omitted his name ;-) Hi Kakki, I was just digging through the old list archives since someone asked about them and was reading my first grumblings there and I thought perhaps you too might like to indulge in a little nostalgia... This is what you wrote on our first meeting... kinda cool. ps - Thank you for this artful defense. I bet you were awesome on the debate team! wink emoticon Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:48:59 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: P. Henry PENs (long) **** ****** wrote: >Now if you do the math, this would make P Henry approx 47 years old >today ... 7 years joni's junior. Now admittedly the 60s were a freer >generation, but would a college-grad aged joni have been hanging out >with a high-school kid? I leave this question open ... but I for one, >will remain skeptical. The 60s were a very unique time in history. Being 17 today bears no resemblance to 30 years ago, in my opinion. The typical 17 year old male in 1968 lived with the ever-present prospect of being drafted and shipped off to Vietnam. 17 year old females also grew up a lot faster, too, and many married young because their boyfriends were being shipped out to the war. That is why the teenagers of that time fought for, and won, the right to vote at age 18 instead of 21. If an 18 year old was old enough to fight for one's country, then he or she was certainly old enough to vote. Consider that Laura Nyro had written most of the songs for her first album by the time she was 17. Joni left school alone and pregnant when she was 19 and struggled on her own as a singer-songwriter thousands of miles from home in Toronto. The Beatles were 17 and 18 when they started out in Hamburg. Back then, when I was 16 and 17, I was routinely hanging out with musicians and artist friends in their 20s. We also participated in songwriting and jam sessions on a regular basis. Two of those friends had record contracts in their teens. If any of my friends had become as famous and revered as Joni, I would find it hard now to resist posting some of my reminiscences to their discussion lists. I've been on this list for almost two years and have read many personal stories, reminiscences and revelations from listers and have enjoyed them all. I've also posted a few of my own. I also know there have been other listers who are still here who have posted stories of contact with Joni back in the 60s. Why do personal stories involving Joni trouble some of us? Are some afraid they will suffer embarassment at being "hoaxed?" So far, I have not found any offensive or objectionable content in what P. Henry has said about Joni, so why the outrage? There has been some dispute about the timing of her writing Both Sides Now, but I have read at least 3 "official" versions of when she wrote it anyway, so it's plausible to me that the song evolved over time. I hope P. Henry can give us some more stories once he is finished defending and proving himself here. At any rate, he *has* contributed some brand new acronyms to the collection wink emoticon Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2015 #31 **************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------