From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #941 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, July 20 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 941 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Library item: 10 THINGS you didn't know about...JONI MITCHELL [TheSta] Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places [gpkm6208@comcast.net] the Gaza strip and Ukraine... (way NJC) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places [Bob Muller ] Re: the Gaza strip and Ukraine... (way NJC) [Anita Gabrielle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:01:53 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: 10 THINGS you didn't know about...JONI MITCHELL Title: 10 THINGS you didn't know about...JONI MITCHELL Publication: Globe Date: 2014.07.07 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2805 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:35:39 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places Not sure who specifically Joni refers to in PP, but they sure has hell would have known which foundation and blusher to use, Anita > On 20 Jul 2014, at 06:00, gpkm6208@comcast.net wrote: > > Question listers:B Does anyone know who Joni might be referring to in the > lyrics to peoples parties?B Jack behind his joker and stone cold Grace behind > her fan???B Is it possible reference to Jack Nicholson /Grace Slick?B Just > curious > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dave Blackburn" > To: "Anita G" > Cc: "Lori Renee Fye" , "Catherine McKay" > , "JMDL JMDL" > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:27:31 AM > Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places > > Anita, you must try to let go of the trivial stuff and concentrate on whats > important: The colour of your lips. > > >> On Jul 19, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Anita G wrote: >> >> Quote from the comments: >> >> "There are few things more frustrating than finally finding the right >> colour lipstick, blush, powder, whatever to go with one's skin tones, only >> to have that product promptly discontinued." >> >> And there am I, worrying about the Gaza strip and Ukraine................... >> >> >> On 19 July 2014 23:00, Lori Renee Fye wrote: >> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i28UEoLXVFQ >>>> >>>> Never heard of it! Ha ha ha! >>> >>> Neither had I, but I was never much of a fan of that band or any of that >>> music. B Thanks for solving the mystery though, Catherine! >>> >>> Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:31:29 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Blue Ingrid wrote: > Okay. Know that I don't want to put jmdl'ers on the spot with my > interpretations, and that just expressing then is transformative for me.But I > should try to express it with music I think. That would be better. As I said to you, Ingrid, off list, I know that people will respond to some things we post and not to others and it is up to each of us to accept that. I know I have sometimes struggled with understanding quite where you come at Joni related things from because I can see that her music and who you imagine Joni is is so deeply, deeply profound for you, and, quite honestly, can feel very intense. But I know that you know that, so that has helped me! I think your email explains to Listers that expressing your thoughts and feelings about Joni and her music are helpful to you - which must be a good thing. But you may feel vulnerable if you send something that feels immensely important that gets overlooked, but I hope you will manage that okay. Trust me, we all get that from time to time and we may all all feel vulnerable or angry here at times. I know I do. As for being less intense myself, you mention in your email you "should try to express " yourself through music. Do you play any instruments or hum any tunes or plan to learn? I have started playing guitar again after being inspired by Dave, Robin, Steve and all the wonderful Listers I was blessed to hang out with one glorious Monday in California! Music certainly is a great and healing thing to do. Best wishes on a beautiful Sunday Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:45:30 +0000 (UTC) From: gpkm6208@comcast.net Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places thanks bob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: gpkm6208@comcast.net, "Dave Blackburn" Cc: "Lori Renee Fye" , "Catherine McKay" , "JMDL JMDL" , "Anita G" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 8:41:14 AM Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places Is it possible reference to Jack Nicholson /Grace Slick?> That's always been the conventional wisdom. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:51:00 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: the Gaza strip and Ukraine... (way NJC) Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan said in part, >Even a casual scrutiny of history reveals that we humans have a sad tendency to make the same mistakes again and again. We're afraid of strangers or anybody's who's a little different from us. when we get scared, we start pushing people around. W have readily accessible buttons that release powerful emotions when pressed. We can be manipulated into utter senselessness by clever politicians.> "The Demon-Haunted World", Chapter 25. In the paperback edition, this is on p 424. I love the chapter title, "Real Patriots Ask Questions". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:02:32 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places 'If you had that house car bottle jar Your lovers would look like movie stars Movie stars movie stars movie stars' Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:27 PM To: Anita G Cc: Lori Renee Fye ; Catherine McKay ; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places Anita, you must try to let go of the trivial stuff and concentrate on whats important: The colour of your lips. On Jul 19, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Anita G wrote: > Quote from the comments: > > "There are few things more frustrating than finally finding the right > colour lipstick, blush, powder, whatever to go with one's skin tones, only > to have that product promptly discontinued." > > And there am I, worrying about the Gaza strip and > Ukraine................... > > > On 19 July 2014 23:00, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i28UEoLXVFQ >>> >>> Never heard of it! Ha ha ha! >> >> Neither had I, but I was never much of a fan of that band or any of that >> music. Thanks for solving the mystery though, Catherine! >> >> Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:46:11 -0700 From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Blue (NJC) Absolutely. I couldn't have said this better myself. ________________________________ From: Lori Renee Fye To: Ingrid Lochrenberg Cc: Anita Gabrielle ; "" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:39:52 PM Subject: Re: Blue (NJC) Ingrid, write anything you want to write, and share anything you want to share. The JMDL has always been a space for all, for everything. It's true that not everything you write, or that anyone writes, will garner a response. I personally delete a lot of JMDL posts because I either don't have the time to read everything and participate in a discussion, or because a subject doesn't capture my interest. Of course, I may be deleting and missing something I might find interesting or valuable if I did read it. I have to take that risk because otherwise I would probably be drawn (sucked) even farther into the "interwebs" than I am already. (I do the same thing with lots of music, movies, and books. I can't absorb everything, and it's folly for me to try.) In any case, please don't take it personally if someone doesn't respond to something you've written, however heartfelt or important it is to you. It's not that people don't care so much as it's that people are either busy with their own things and their own lives, or they just can't find the right words for a response. Just keep writing and sharing. Strike every chord that you feel. It resonates somewhere. Trust in that. All the best, Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 05:41:14 -0700 From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places Is it possible reference to Jack Nicholson /Grace Slick?> That's always been the conventional wisdom. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:39:52 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Blue (NJC) Ingrid, write anything you want to write, and share anything you want to share. The JMDL has always been a space for all, for everything. It's true that not everything you write, or that anyone writes, will garner a response. I personally delete a lot of JMDL posts because I either don't have the time to read everything and participate in a discussion, or because a subject doesn't capture my interest. Of course, I may be deleting and missing something I might find interesting or valuable if I did read it. I have to take that risk because otherwise I would probably be drawn (sucked) even farther into the "interwebs" than I am already. (I do the same thing with lots of music, movies, and books. I can't absorb everything, and it's folly for me to try.) In any case, please don't take it personally if someone doesn't respond to something you've written, however heartfelt or important it is to you. It's not that people don't care so much as it's that people are either busy with their own things and their own lives, or they just can't find the right words for a response. Just keep writing and sharing. Strike every chord that you feel. It resonates somewhere. Trust in that. All the best, Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:05:39 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: the Gaza strip and Ukraine... (way NJC) Jim, this is enough to make me scurry away in search of my purple eye liner and matching lipstick, Yours with utter senselessness Anita > On 20 Jul 2014, at 16:51, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan said in part, > >Even a casual scrutiny of history reveals that we humans have a sad tendency to make the same mistakes again and again. We're afraid of strangers or anybody's who's a little different from us. when we get scared, we start pushing people around. W have readily accessible buttons that release powerful emotions when pressed. We can be manipulated into utter senselessness by clever politicians.> > > "The Demon-Haunted World", Chapter 25. In the paperback edition, this is on p 424. I love the chapter title, "Real Patriots Ask Questions". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:27:08 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Where are they now? Title: Where are they now? Publication: Globe Date: 2014.07.14 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2806 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:56:47 -0700 From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places Guess what. I did a search on the title as she wrote it, and it turns out there was something in the 80s by that name, and here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i28UEoLXVFQ Never heard of it! Ha ha ha! ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Lori Renee Fye Cc: JMDL Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:46:19 PM Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places So, by the wikipedia definition of "power ballad," the writer even got that wrong. "BYT" doesn't fit that description at all. And I agree that "Yahoo Beauty" sounds like an oxymoron. Maybe there's some other song that none of us have heard of. ________________________________ From: Lori Renee Fye To: Cc: JMDL Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 4:37:34 PM Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places > and WTF is a "power ballad?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Ballads_(disambiguation) I was thinking maybe Yahoo Beauty (that's funny in itself) columnist Laura Sherman was referring to Janet Jackson's song, "Got 'til It's Gone," but that wasn't released until 1997. I'd like to know WTF Laura Sherman is on about. Lori in smoky (due to the wildfires) Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:58:27 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Blue Hi Ingrid, Thank you for posting this very honest and revealing message. It was a very brave thing for you to do. It helps me to see where you are coming from when you share your feelings about Joni and her music here on the JMDL. Joni's music touches chords of deep feelings that resonate in me as well. I sometimes express my thoughts and describe how her words lead my mind to places that no-one else can trace the paths to but me. Her music is intellectual. It is also full of intense emotions that we absorb and filter through the prisms of our own experience, finding our own truths in Joni's words. I cannot imagine how that intensity affects you. I hope the JMDL feels like a safe place for you to express your interpretations, especially if they are transformative for you. I would advise you not to get too discouraged if no one responds. Frequently after I have written something and sent it to the JMDL, there is no response. I have been told time and again that it doesn't mean people on the list don't read what I write. I wish you well, Ingrid. I read your messages and if writing them is in some way helpful to you, I hope you will continue to send them. Mark Scott in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Blue Dear jmdl'ers. I do not wish to make you feel uncomfortable and uneasy with my communications. I felt intensely in-touch with my mortality the other day and I thought that I would just expose myself as wanting Joni to know that her love and longings were fully approved of by me, should I come to grief. Well I did say it. I know that other jmdl'ers would bestow the same acceptance and love and wholehearted approval I did of Joni. I just sometimes feel that "no-one dares disturb the sound of silence " like Joni did. I couldn't love Joni more than what I do. It's not admiration,rather , it is longing. With my way-out imagination and my need to express myself I am caught between the devil and the deep -blue sea,given my propensity for psychosis. However with the benefit of my communications(off the list) with Anita Gabrielle I see that I can express myself without feeling either too vulnerable or too guilty. I think that many here might feel the same intensity of appreciation of Joni and what she is perceived to have been communicating. For the record, I once said that Joni writes intellectual music...i'd like to restate that as; Joni cannot HELP it that her intellect itself distinguishes her asa musician,but that the music component if her writing also distinguishes her from others. There is uniqueness to all great artists for sure. But listening as I have been to a wide collection if music interspersed with hers has clarified for me how the music sweeps me away before I register in my near-sleep state,who I am listening to. So her music has for me the emotional and esthetic component to match the extreme quality of intelligence. One last thing is that when asked about ten years back if she saw the course of things on this planet changing she replied that the situation was hopeless, and that she nevertheless had hope:....saying amid her own laughter that you have to be irrational to believe in miracles... So, I think that Joni will yet be crowned and anchored. That is my understanding if her:that she is half of the equation if the miracle that she has experienced and hopes to see unfold. Okay. Know that I don't want to put jmdl'ers on the spot with my interpretations, and that just expressing then is transformative for me.But I should try to express it with music I think. That would be better. Okay,thanks for tuning in to this particular writing. Ingrid Sent from my Windows Phonese ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #941 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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