From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #939 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, July 19 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 939 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Covering Joni's songs [Jack Merkel ] Covers [Betsy Blue ] Re: Covering Joni's songs [Anita Gabrielle ] Covering Joni's songs [fabiococchi@ymail.com] Re: Attention UK JMDLers [Dave Blackburn ] Re: The New Biography [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Covering Joni's songs ["Richard Flynn" ] New Library item: Joni Mitchell Takes Part in Q&A Interview Event at Toronto Arts Festival; Will Perform at Tribute Shows [] Re: Covering Joni's songs [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Attention UK JMDLers [Jamie Zubairi Home ] Songs of Shadows, Songs of Light [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 22:35:05 -0500 From: Jack Merkel Subject: Re: Covering Joni's songs I had a small music listening party the other night to celebrate finish loading my entire CD collection as FLAC files to my computer. Robin and the MOTP's version of The Jungle Line was one of the highlights of the night! Jack Sent from my iPad > On Jul 18, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > So Fabio, you are sort of saying unless you are good dont bother recording or at least releasing covers that dont properly honor Jonis great songs. Id agree wholeheartedly, except that one then becomes a taste judge for others, and who has the right to be that? Apart from us, of course ;-) > > >> On Jul 18, 2014, at 1:41 PM, fabiococchi@ymail.com wrote: >> >> Dear Dave, >> I'm getting so many messages about this subject! Again, as I already explained, so many artists did a great job covering Joni. You mentioned a few ones, I'll add Glenn Hansard, Cassandra Wilson, Cindy Lauper. As you said Joni reinvented herself many times, but she did it greatly! It'a about good music. It's hard to cover her songs because she is not only a great songwriter but also a beautiful interpreter. For those who want to cover her music with concept albums I would suggest to do it when there is real talent and new ideas, not only for the pleasure to sing/play her music. Honestly I don't know what you did with MOTP. I know the work of some jazz singers ( a couple of Italian ones ad well ). I'll try to listen carefully to your work. Best wishes from sunny ( very sunny and hot ) Milan. >> >> Inviato da iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:50:20 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Covers >some covers...may be spectacular: k.d langs Jericho, Chaka Khan's Ladies Man May I add Chaka Khan's Hejira and k.d. lang's River? It is the rare interpreter who gets more than one right. k.d. is consistently good, while Chaka ranges between brilliant and off-the-mark. The one cover that I feel is really an improvement is Emmylou Harris on Magdalene Laundries. Not even CSN's Woodstock falls into that category for me. Many covers, even Joni's own, are just different. It's always nice to hear a new interpretation. Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:57:58 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Covering Joni's songs Much as Joni's work is extraordinary and brilliant, she simply ain't doing it any more and there is SO much to be gained by hearing new interpretations and different slants on her incredible breadth of work. Herbie had a big commercial advantage of being a mate of Joni's as well as being world famous in his own right, so not a risky project for him. 'River - the Joni Letters' was a good album. But I have heard innovative and emotional takes on Joni songs at Joni Fests and other concerts (Robin, Dave and the Mutts) that, in my view, have surpassed some of Hancock's work by a distance. Of course, taking on an entire album of a Joni songs, like the Mutts and Laurie have done is, as you say, Fabio, risky. That is exactly why I feel these wonderful artists richly deserve our support and admiration. Keeping Joni's music fresh, new and alive is just brilliant! I, for one, want to keep my ears open. Well done and congratulations to them all, Anita > On 18 Jul 2014, at 19:47, fabiococchi@ymail.com wrote: > > Hi everybody! To be honest, there are really very few Joni's songs covered by other artists that I like ( including some famous ones). It's just that Joni's genius is hard to match! It's all right to cover a song and include it in an album. But I believe that an entire project is quite risky. Herbie's Joni'Letters is certainly an exception! But be careful out there... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:47:27 +0200 From: fabiococchi@ymail.com Subject: Covering Joni's songs Hi everybody! To be honest, there are really very few Joni's songs covered by other artists that I like ( including some famous ones). It's just that Joni's genius is hard to match! It's all right to cover a song and include it in an album. But I believe that an entire project is quite risky. Herbie's Joni'Letters is certainly an exception! But be careful out there... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:09:26 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Attention UK JMDLers I see the amazing Richard Bailey is playing drums that night. He was 19 when he played on Jeff Becks Blow by Blow album, and his playing greatly influenced me as I came up as a drummer. Id be there if I could get my transporter beam working reliably. On Jul 17, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Jamie Zubairi Home wrote: > Anyone else thinking of going? I might be able to go on Sunday. There's the > 345 which goes all the way to Peckham from Putney which is great for me! > > Jamie Zubairi > Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. > Agent: Byron's Management 020 72428096 > SpotLight > Showreel > Unbroken Line > > Jamie Zubairi is Associate Artist at Ovalhouse working on new works for 2014 > You can see him soon in: > Lost Theatre Solo Festival 2014 *Three Sides To A Fence* by Atar Hadari, > 7:30pm 9, 11 July 2014 > > Current exhibition > *WaterPlus Colour* at Blend Cafe 587 Green Lanes, N8 0RG until 27 June > > Recent work: > *Cucumber* for Channel 4, by Russell T Davies due Jan 2015 > *Tino Sehgal Unilever Commission "These Associations"* Tate Modern (Turner > Prize Nominated) > *Unbroken Line*' OvalHouse, supported by public funding from the Arts > Council of England. > > > On 17 July 2014 22:51, johnnybgoode@lineone.net > wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> But is it worth the time and cost of getting to Putney, and >> getting back in the wee small hours? >> >> You lucky Londoners,I never have >> the overnights there at the time the things I'm interested in are on. >> >> Roll on HS2 >> >> John >>> ----Original Message---- >>> From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >> >>> Date: 17/07/2014 15:31 >>> To: "joni" >>> Subj: Attention UK >> JMDLers >>> >>> >> http://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/news/11345010.Joni_Mitchell_s_wonderful_soul_music_explored/?ref=var_0 >>> >>> Joni Mitchell fans are in for a treat this month. >>> The Half Moon in >> Putney hosts Jonibs Soul during which vocalist Gina >>> Foster will >> explore the soulful side of Mitchell. >>> She will be joined by guest >> singer Manuela Panizzo from Italy and a band >>> who will recreate some >> of Mitchell's most iconic material from her albums. >>> >>> They will >> explore Mitchellbs music with everything from Coyote, Edith and >>> the >> Kingpin, the Hissing of Summer Lawns to Both Sides Now. >>> Mitchell, a >> Canadian musician, is one of only two women to have made it on >>> to >> Rolling Stone magazinebs 100 Greatest Guitarists of all time, received >> >>> eight Grammys and a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award. >>> The musicians >> promise to draw on their own emotional response to >>> Mitchellbs work as >> they reproduce the starbs hits. >>> Jonibs Soul; Half Moon Putney; >> Sunday, July 20, 8.30pm to 11pm; B#8 >>> advance/B#10 on the door; >> halfmoon.co.uk/event/1204. >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The >> information transmitted is intended only for the person >>> or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain >>> proprietary, business- >> confidential and/or privileged material. >>> If you are not the intended >> recipient of this message you are >>> hereby notified that any use, >> review, retransmission, dissemination, >>> distribution, reproduction or >> any action taken in reliance upon >>> this message is prohibited. If you >> received this in error, please >>> contact the sender and delete the >> material from any computer. >>> >>> Any views expressed in this message >> are those of the individual >>> sender and may not necessarily reflect >> the views of the company. >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:02:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: The New Biography So my question is - will we get some kind of a notification when a new chapter gets installed? I've had this feast all week and now I'm starving! :-) Bob NP: Joni, "I Think I Understand" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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The sample of jazz composer and pianist Billy Childs featuring Alison Krauss and Jerry Douglas is stunning. The CD is produced by Larry Klein. (slight Joni connection) I just don't understand a blanket refusal to listen to covers. I sure will buy this when it comes out in September. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Garret Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 5:20 PM To: Dave Blackburn Cc: fabiococchi@ymail.com; JMDL Subject: Re: Covering Joni's songs In fairness, no one ever said to Monet "paint a starry night" again man. Although I would love to see his interpretation. Garret On 18 Jul 2014 21:31, "Dave Blackburn" wrote: > Fabio, > > To each his own of course, but Joni is a composer first and foremost. > and composers if they are lucky get their compositions performed. No > one detracts from Joni's own versions by presenting them with a new > angle. She herself reinvented several of her tunes many times during > of the course of her career, effectively covering her early material > herself. There is this strange stigma about covers in the rock > world, but in the jazz and classical world it is understood that the > standards and the catalogue of a good composer s work is there to be plumbed and given a fresh presentation. > > That being said there will always be a range of talent from poor to > great, and accordingly some covers may be pale imitations of something > great - which I suspect is what you are referring to - but some may be spectacular: > k.d langs Jericho, Chaka Khan s Ladies Man, James Taylor s River, for > example, and quite a few whole albums that are wonderful, the latest > of which is Laurie s. Tierney Sutton s After Blue is another, Big > Yellow Taxi s Treasures of Joni Mitchell, and perhaps our own Safaris > to the Heart is worthy of a favorable mention alongside them. Apart > from anything else it is killer music to play and audiences flock to > hear it, already enamoured of the music in its original form. > > As Anita says, Joni simply ain t doing it anymore, and I don t think > her legacy is in the least diminished by a new generation of artists > re-imagining her music. > > Dave > > > On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:47 AM, fabiococchi@ymail.com wrote: > > > Hi everybody! To be honest, there are really very few Joni's songs > covered by other artists that I like ( including some famous ones). > It's just that Joni's genius is hard to match! It's all right to cover > a song and include it in an album. But I believe that an entire > project is quite risky. Herbie's Joni'Letters is certainly an > exception! But be careful out there... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:30:50 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell Takes Part in Q&A Interview Event at Toronto Arts Festival; Will Perform at Tribute Shows Title: Joni Mitchell Takes Part in Q&A Interview Event at Toronto Arts Festival; Will Perform at Tribute Shows Publication: classichitsandoldies.com Date: 2013.6.17 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2804 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 16:09:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Covering Joni's songs Yeah, I get that, trust me, I get it. Some people don't like covers and stick with originals. Nothing wrong with that. Me, I've always enjoyed covers and I could go on and on ad nauseam about covers that are way superior to the originals, Joni songs included. That, of course, is subjective - what's better than what and that whole discussion. For me, it's never a question of what's better than what - it's that I have Joni's incredible songs and her lovely versions of them, and then there's this whole other world of artists who are inspired to tackle them, some just putting a karaoke stamp on them and others (like Laurie) who take the melodies, rhythms, arrangements and explore them and expand on them and in some cases bring (to me anyway) a deeper understanding of the song musically as well as lyrically. I guess maybe diehard fans feel like they are cheating on Joni or betraying her by enjoying other artist's versions of her songs? I don't know because to me, it's a kindred spirit, someone who appreciates Joni's work as we do and is led to interpret her work. I don't have to make a choice - I love it ALL. I'm sure that Joni is delighted to know that the vast majority of her covers these days come from the JAZZ community, even those "folk songs" from her early days. Bob NP: The Who, "Behind Blue Eyes" From: fabiococchi@ymail.com To: "joni@smoe.org" , Date: 07/18/2014 02:56 PM Subject: Covering Joni's songs Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Hi everybody! To be honest, there are really very few Joni's songs covered by other artists that I like ( including some famous ones). It's just that Joni's genius is hard to match! It's all right to cover a song and include it in an album. But I believe that an entire project is quite risky. Herbie's Joni'Letters is certainly an exception! But be careful out there... - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:53:14 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Attention UK JMDLers Anyone else thinking of going? I might be able to go on Sunday. There's the 345 which goes all the way to Peckham from Putney which is great for me! Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Agent: Byron's Management 020 72428096 SpotLight Showreel Unbroken Line Jamie Zubairi is Associate Artist at Ovalhouse working on new works for 2014 You can see him soon in: Lost Theatre Solo Festival 2014 *Three Sides To A Fence* by Atar Hadari, 7:30pm 9, 11 July 2014 Current exhibition *WaterPlus Colour* at Blend Cafe 587 Green Lanes, N8 0RG until 27 June Recent work: *Cucumber* for Channel 4, by Russell T Davies due Jan 2015 *Tino Sehgal Unilever Commission "These Associations"* Tate Modern (Turner Prize Nominated) *Unbroken Line*' OvalHouse, supported by public funding from the Arts Council of England. On 17 July 2014 22:51, johnnybgoode@lineone.net wrote: > Bob, > > But is it worth the time and cost of getting to Putney, and > getting back in the wee small hours? > > You lucky Londoners,I never have > the overnights there at the time the things I'm interested in are on. > > Roll on HS2 > > John > >----Original Message---- > >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > > >Date: 17/07/2014 15:31 > >To: "joni" > >Subj: Attention UK > JMDLers > > > > > http://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/news/11345010.Joni_Mitchell_s_wonderful_soul_music_explored/?ref=var_0 > > > >Joni Mitchell fans are in for a treat this month. > >The Half Moon in > Putney hosts Jonibs Soul during which vocalist Gina > >Foster will > explore the soulful side of Mitchell. > >She will be joined by guest > singer Manuela Panizzo from Italy and a band > >who will recreate some > of Mitchell's most iconic material from her albums. > > > >They will > explore Mitchellbs music with everything from Coyote, Edith and > >the > Kingpin, the Hissing of Summer Lawns to Both Sides Now. > >Mitchell, a > Canadian musician, is one of only two women to have made it on > >to > Rolling Stone magazinebs 100 Greatest Guitarists of all time, received > > >eight Grammys and a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award. > >The musicians > promise to draw on their own emotional response to > >Mitchellbs work as > they reproduce the starbs hits. > >Jonibs Soul; Half Moon Putney; > Sunday, July 20, 8.30pm to 11pm; B#8 > >advance/B#10 on the door; > halfmoon.co.uk/event/1204. > > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >The > information transmitted is intended only for the person > >or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain > >proprietary, business- > confidential and/or privileged material. > >If you are not the intended > recipient of this message you are > >hereby notified that any use, > review, retransmission, dissemination, > >distribution, reproduction or > any action taken in reliance upon > >this message is prohibited. If you > received this in error, please > >contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. > > > >Any views expressed in this message > are those of the individual > >sender and may not necessarily reflect > the views of the company. > > >------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:29:59 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Songs of Shadows, Songs of Light Robin and I have been listening to Laurie Antoniolis new CD that arrived this week. In every respect it is a superb album and goes to prove how enduring and malleable Jonis compositions are. Laurie herself has dwelled in them all her life, as have many of us, and so the connection to the music is deep. Her band, which includes my old bassist colleague John Shifflett, is absolutely first class and the recording, made at Fantasy in Berkley, is superlative in itself. Great arrangers find inherent themes and melodic lines in a song, which are not necessarily the songs main melody, and weave new fabric from them. Lauries band members do just this, and so it is not the typical jazz format of stating the melody and then sharply veering off into jazz solo land; the improvising is not over extended and its integration with the compositions is excellent, a difficult balance to achieve. Congratulations to Laurie and her band (wassup John?) on a great record. I encourage listers to order a copy. cheers Dave ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #939 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------