From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #938 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 18 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 938 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Covering Joni's songs [Dave Blackburn ] Re: The New Biography [Catherine McKay ] Thank you Anita [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] Re: The New Biography [Shadows and light ] songs of shadow, songs of light [Shadows and light ] Re: Songs of Shadows, Songs of Light [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Covering Joni's songs [Dave Blackburn ] Re: The New Biography ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:59:03 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Covering Joni's songs So Fabio, you are sort of saying unless you are good dont bother recording or at least releasing covers that dont properly honor Jonis great songs. Id agree wholeheartedly, except that one then becomes a taste judge for others, and who has the right to be that? Apart from us, of course ;-) On Jul 18, 2014, at 1:41 PM, fabiococchi@ymail.com wrote: > Dear Dave, > I'm getting so many messages about this subject! Again, as I already explained, so many artists did a great job covering Joni. You mentioned a few ones, I'll add Glenn Hansard, Cassandra Wilson, Cindy Lauper. As you said Joni reinvented herself many times, but she did it greatly! It'a about good music. It's hard to cover her songs because she is not only a great songwriter but also a beautiful interpreter. For those who want to cover her music with concept albums I would suggest to do it when there is real talent and new ideas, not only for the pleasure to sing/play her music. Honestly I don't know what you did with MOTP. I know the work of some jazz singers ( a couple of Italian ones ad well ). I'll try to listen carefully to your work. Best wishes from sunny ( very sunny and hot ) Milan. > > Inviato da iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 05:10:11 -0700 From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The New Biography So glad you're doing this and I can't think of a better person for the job. ________________________________ From: Mark To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; joni Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:44:19 PM Subject: Re: The New Biography Thank you, Bob and thank you to everybody else who has sent kind words my way. [..] Anyway, I hope I'm adding something of some value that is unique to the website that people can enjoy and maybe learn something from. I'm learning a lot in the process of writing it. Mark (Scott) in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:06:46 +0200 From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: Thank you Anita ...for your encouragement...I am so grateful. and also look forward to the 20th, Bob. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:29:04 -0700 From: Shadows and light Subject: Re: The New Biography thank you les and mark. listers never cease to amaze me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:36:11 -0700 From: Shadows and light Subject: songs of shadow, songs of light laurie, i'm so thrilled that you completed this project. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 22:19:41 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Covering Joni's songs In fairness, no one ever said to Monet "paint a starry night" again man. Although I would love to see his interpretation. Garret On 18 Jul 2014 21:31, "Dave Blackburn" wrote: > Fabio, > > To each his own of course, but Joni is a composer first and foremost. and > composers if they are lucky get their compositions performed. No one > detracts from Joni's own versions by presenting them with a new angle. She > herself reinvented several of her tunes many times during of the course of > her career, effectively covering her early material herself. There is this > strange stigma about covers in the rock world, but in the jazz and > classical world it is understood that the standards and the catalogue of a > good composer s work is there to be plumbed and given a fresh presentation. > > That being said there will always be a range of talent from poor to great, > and accordingly some covers may be pale imitations of something great - > which I suspect is what you are referring to - but some may be spectacular: > k.d langs Jericho, Chaka Khan s Ladies Man, James Taylor s River, for > example, and quite a few whole albums that are wonderful, the latest of > which is Laurie s. Tierney Sutton s After Blue is another, Big Yellow Taxi > s Treasures of Joni Mitchell, and perhaps our own Safaris to the Heart is > worthy of a favorable mention alongside them. Apart from anything else it > is killer music to play and audiences flock to hear it, already enamoured > of the music in its original form. > > As Anita says, Joni simply ain t doing it anymore, and I don t think her > legacy is in the least diminished by a new generation of artists > re-imagining her music. > > Dave > > > On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:47 AM, fabiococchi@ymail.com wrote: > > > Hi everybody! To be honest, there are really very few Joni's songs > covered by other artists that I like ( including some famous ones). It's > just that Joni's genius is hard to match! It's all right to cover a song > and include it in an album. But I believe that an entire project is quite > risky. Herbie's Joni'Letters is certainly an exception! But be careful out > there... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:14:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Songs of Shadows, Songs of Light Amen and amen...I got my copy on Monday, along with some BONUS goodies (thanks Laurie!!) and it's been captive in my car CD player since. Makes me wish my commute was longer. I'm still not to the point where I'm ready to write my long drawn out OMG-how-much-longer-is-he-going-to-drone-on review and I really want to do this album justice. All I'll say is that after about 5 spins my favorites are This Flight Tonight and Eastern Rain but ALL the tracks are exquisite in their own way. Parts of it (like the intro to WOHAM) remind me of Steely Dan's masterpiece Aja (a high compliment from me). As Grand Funk would say - "Good Singing Good Playin'" Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Walking On Thin Ice" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:23:46 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Covering Joni's songs Fabio, To each his own of course, but Joni is a composer first and foremost. and composers if they are lucky get their compositions performed. No one detracts from Joni's own versions by presenting them with a new angle. She herself reinvented several of her tunes many times during of the course of her career, effectively covering her early material herself. There is this strange stigma about covers in the rock world, but in the jazz and classical world it is understood that the standards and the catalogue of a good composers work is there to be plumbed and given a fresh presentation. That being said there will always be a range of talent from poor to great, and accordingly some covers may be pale imitations of something great - which I suspect is what you are referring to - but some may be spectacular: k.d langs Jericho, Chaka Khans Ladies Man, James Taylors River, for example, and quite a few whole albums that are wonderful, the latest of which is Lauries. Tierney Suttons After Blue is another, Big Yellow Taxis Treasures of Joni Mitchell, and perhaps our own Safaris to the Heart is worthy of a favorable mention alongside them. Apart from anything else it is killer music to play and audiences flock to hear it, already enamoured of the music in its original form. As Anita says, Joni simply aint doing it anymore, and I dont think her legacy is in the least diminished by a new generation of artists re-imagining her music. Dave On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:47 AM, fabiococchi@ymail.com wrote: > Hi everybody! To be honest, there are really very few Joni's songs covered by other artists that I like ( including some famous ones). It's just that Joni's genius is hard to match! It's all right to cover a song and include it in an album. But I believe that an entire project is quite risky. Herbie's Joni'Letters is certainly an exception! But be careful out there... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:22:16 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: The New Biography I guess I'd better get my arse in gear! Up to Joni's first pilgrimage to New Mexico to meet Georgia O'Keeffe. Mingus comes along not long after that. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 6:02 AM To: Catherine McKay Cc: joni ; Mark Subject: Re: The New Biography So my question is - will we get some kind of a notification when a new chapter gets installed? I've had this feast all week and now I'm starving! :-) Bob NP: Joni, "I Think I Understand" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #938 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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