From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #840 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 13 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 840 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Your notches, liberation doll [Anne Sandstrom ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:31:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Your notches, liberation doll At first I groaned when I saw the subject. But then I decided to start doing a little research. Joni doesn't say things idly. I wondered about "Ethiopian wall." Enter the city known as Harar. It's a walled city in Ethiopia. According to http://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/12063/ET, "Women make up a solid force in Harari culture. Unlike the women of many other Muslims cultures, the Harari women lead vigorous and visible-although separate-social lives. They are not required to wear the traditional Muslim veil." Do you suppose Joni was referring to the women of Harar, albeit obliquely? Looking at the references to drinking later in the song, I do think the "room full of glasses" refers to drinking - but I'm thinking it's HER drinking. (I'm thinking of the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where Marian drinks all the guys under the table. Although HOSL predates Raiders by 6 years.) He says "A roomful of glasses. Your notches, liberation doll." But then he chains her with a serpent (sex and/or guilt for sin?) to the Ethiopian wall. The other thought I've had is that this is an obscure reference of some kind. If I could meet Joni, I think it's the one thing I'd ask. What does "your notches, liberation doll" refer to? lots of love,Anne on Jun 12, 2014, Shari wrote: Suddenly I understood that to mean 'you are driving me to drink' Referring to the roomful of glasses as the notches in her belt. AKA the beating he's taken from struggling with the question of women gaining power. Thoughts? Lots of Joni, Shari ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #840 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------