From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #809 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 6 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 809 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 Ingrid, I wouldn't go so far as to say in effect date or domestic rape. If anything "he" is using social convention to control "her". If anything it is a dilemma faced by some women today; is it better to have a bad and possibly abusive boyfriend or not at all? Do women have to appear unchallenging to attract rich and successful men? I take anima rising to be female self-respect self-expression and strength, standing up for what they believe in rather than pregnancy, and I see the relationships themselves representing "death and birth" without evolution. I think that societal mores including marriage and stereotypical fashion roles "rebel loves a cause" are the targets? If read the petrification bit as alongside the more normal if not traditional marriage roles are head-headed logical man and expressive emotive women . This does then rather degenerate into Rich man with Trophy chattel women. Man makes the money to quote the J Brown song, and all the horrible results, (think professional sportsmen, celebrities). Financial Dependence "Bring that bottle kindly And I'll pad your purse" And finally a common Joni theme, being attracted to selfish unreliable men. Bad boys in black. John >----Original Message---- >From: low-tide@outlook.com >Date: 06/06/2014 19:31 >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Subj: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 > >Thanks John. What would you think of my suggestion that it describes being >raped and then being back in the pub setting....possibly falling pregnant >(anima rising, uprising in me tonight )...him saying "we walked on the moon, >be polite" and the other lines are about disillusionment -"the truth going up >in vapors"... and "God goes up the chimney"....(I thought she sang " the good >slaves LEFT the good book"?)...possibly the rape is a death, that leads to a >birth...there are many phrases I don't understand, for instance" petrified >wood process, tall timber down to rock)...then it ends of by saying , you need >a heart like Mary when your man gets weak.......after being raped, either >there is capitulating terror, and/or all love focusses on the child. > >I am slightly anxious to present such a way-out interpretation-no doubt it >will be unwelcome to some...I simply must and have to a degree learnt not to >be too affected by what others may think of me( I think Joni would approve >though). So here I present this interpretation,..... and I will just 'let the >wind carry me'. > > >> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:53:44 -0400 >> From: owner-joni-digest@smoe. org >> To: joni-digest@smoe.org >> Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 >> >> >> JMDL Digest Friday, June 6 2014 Volume 2014 : Number >807 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Don't interrupt the Sorrow ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> >> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 19:53:08 +0100 (BST) >> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> Subject: Don't interrupt the Sorrow >> >> Ingrid, >> >> In rough terms I see it as being about: >> >> Relationships and >> male and female roles, Sexism and feminism. >> >> Religion, Power over >> others, and desire for Freedom. >> >> The endless cycles of personal >> frustration without real progress or improvement, >> >> and the need to take >> personal responsibility, despite temptation, disappointment and >> personal weakness. >> >> Lyrics below >> >> John >> >> http://jonimitchell.com/music/song.cfm?id=105>> >> - ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #807 >> ***************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #809 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------