From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #786 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 29 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 786 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Philomena (VLJC) [Lindsay Moon ] Re: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 18:49:03 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL Bob, I love this thread! It's so interesting to see the progression from FTR, where Tom Scott and others sneak on to some of the songs, and then full blown sound on Court & Spark ... If you include FTR in the progression songs, Rainy Night House and Judgement of the Moon and Stars could show inklings of Car on a Hill and Down to You, plus the couplets of Lesson In Survival and Let the Wind Carry Me lead in to the couplets of People's Parties and The Same Situation ... and it suddenly intrigues me how those four songs express much the same longing, isolation and sadness ... I see the transition from Court and Spark to Hissing not as linear ... I agree that IFTKOMS (which is a very fun song to play!) could have been on C&S, but there is a different theme to Hissing ... what I call the existential boredom of suburban blight ... Jungle Line to Harry's House all play up this theme to the tune of smooth jazz ... but then comes Sweet Bird and Shadows and Light where I really see the first clouds of Hejira forming ... Take care, Sue Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:46 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL Wow, how's that for a subject line that only a Joni fan could decipher? Anyway, I'm hoping to hear a Joni song on the radio today to keep my streak alive. Sunday I heard "Love Or Money" on Sirius/XM, Monday I heard the MOA version of BYT on Radioparadise.com, and yesterday I heard "In France..." on an NPR internet station. (NPR has a great phone app for those of you who may not know with a plethora of radio options, World Cafe, All Songs Considered, great great stuff). Anyway, I've always loved In France, and it was the most obvious thought for a single even if it didn't really chart. I do think it was closer to C&S in terms of sound and structure than most of the other songs, especially with her choice of following it with the out-of-left-field-didn't-see-that-coming "Jungle Line". I've always considered HOSL to be a radical departure from C&S, but now I'm not so sure. After all, both albums incorporate a lot of the same players, both albums have portrait songs as well as autobiographical songs, both have an old-school Lambert, Hendricks & Ross cover on them. you could maybe make a case that HOSL is a much more cryptical album lyrically. I think that Hejira was definitely a change in audio and even lyrical direction, but now I'm not so sure that HOSL was as much. Now I would be tempted to pair C&S with HOSL and Hejira with DJRD. Wondering what y'all think. Bob NP: Leonard Cohen, "So Long, Marianne" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 10:47:57 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Philomena (VLJC) Bob, I agree! And it so tells Joni's story from Magdalene Laundries Love Dame Judi in it. And what a difference one hairstyle makes. In that move, in that role, she looks every bit her age and then some. In real life, after a stylist team has gotten ahold of her, she looks radiant and so youthful! I too highly recommend it. Lindsay Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 13:12:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Philomena & The Magdalene Laundries I'm sure that someone has had to have mentioned this, but I don't recall it. I watched the Oscar-nominated Stephen Frears-directed Philomena last night and loved it. It's a true story about a young woman in Ireland who gets pregnant and shipped off to the nunnery to serve penance. She labors in the Laundry while her child is sold to an American couple. After 50 years she begins the search for her child. Dame Judi Dench is her always-amazing self in the lead role; just watching her eyes and her facial expressions change is a wonder to behold. Doesn't go where you think it will and it helped me to understand just how unfair and brutal this scenario was for these young women. SCJoniguy gives it 2 thumbs up. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 18:44:40 +0100 (BST) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL Bob, I'd definitely agree. Max Bennett and Jaco, being the biggest change. John >----Original Message---- >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >Date: 28/05/2014 14:45 >To: >Subj: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL > >Wow, how's that for a subject line that only a Joni fan could decipher? > >Anyway, I'm hoping to hear a Joni song on the radio today to keep my >streak alive. Sunday I heard "Love Or Money" on Sirius/XM, Monday I heard >the MOA version of BYT on Radioparadise. com, and yesterday I heard "In >France..." on an NPR internet station. (NPR has a great phone app for >those of you who may not know with a plethora of radio options, World >Cafe, All Songs Considered, great great stuff). > >Anyway, I've always loved In France, and it was the most obvious thought >for a single even if it didn't really chart. I do think it was closer to >C&S in terms of sound and structure than most of the other songs, >especially with her choice of following it with the >out-of-left-field-didn't-see-that-coming "Jungle Line". I've always >considered HOSL to be a radical departure from C&S, but now I'm not so >sure. After all, both albums incorporate a lot of the same players, both >albums have portrait songs as well as autobiographical songs, both have an >old-school Lambert, Hendricks & Ross cover on them. you could maybe make a >case that HOSL is a much more cryptical album lyrically. > >I think that Hejira was definitely a change in audio and even lyrical >direction, but now I'm not so sure that HOSL was as much. Now I would be >tempted to pair C&S with HOSL and Hejira with DJRD. Wondering what y'all >think. > >Bob > >NP: Leonard Cohen, "So Long, Marianne" >------------------------------------------------------------ >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >proprietary, business- confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > >Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:32:58 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL Thanks for that, Sue - that's really insightful and actually expands the thread, tracking the progress from FTR to Hejira. And what an amazing progression that was. Most artists don't make that kind of progress in a lifetime let alone in 3 years! Bob NP: Conference Call blah blah blah... - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 10:45:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL Wow, how's that for a subject line that only a Joni fan could decipher? Anyway, I'm hoping to hear a Joni song on the radio today to keep my streak alive. Sunday I heard "Love Or Money" on Sirius/XM, Monday I heard the MOA version of BYT on Radioparadise.com, and yesterday I heard "In France..." on an NPR internet station. (NPR has a great phone app for those of you who may not know with a plethora of radio options, World Cafe, All Songs Considered, great great stuff). Anyway, I've always loved In France, and it was the most obvious thought for a single even if it didn't really chart. I do think it was closer to C&S in terms of sound and structure than most of the other songs, especially with her choice of following it with the out-of-left-field-didn't-see-that-coming "Jungle Line". I've always considered HOSL to be a radical departure from C&S, but now I'm not so sure. After all, both albums incorporate a lot of the same players, both albums have portrait songs as well as autobiographical songs, both have an old-school Lambert, Hendricks & Ross cover on them. you could maybe make a case that HOSL is a much more cryptical album lyrically. I think that Hejira was definitely a change in audio and even lyrical direction, but now I'm not so sure that HOSL was as much. Now I would be tempted to pair C&S with HOSL and Hejira with DJRD. Wondering what y'all think. Bob NP: Leonard Cohen, "So Long, Marianne" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 19:36:08 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL Yeah and then throw in a live album in the middle!!! :) GENIUS! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:33 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL Thanks for that, Sue - that's really insightful and actually expands the thread, tracking the progress from FTR to Hejira. And what an amazing progression that was. Most artists don't make that kind of progress in a lifetime let alone in 3 years! Bob NP: Conference Call blah blah blah... - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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