From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #784 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 27 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 784 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shooting in California, njc [Lori Renee Fye ] Shooting in California (NJC) [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Shooting in California (NJC) [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Shooting in California (NJC) ["motitan75@yahoo.com" ] =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Looking_back:_Hal=E2=80=99s_co-?= =?UTF-8?Q?owner_reflects_on_25_years_on_Abbot_Kinney?= [] Re: vocal range [Laurie Antonioli ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #783--CA killings [BarbaRent7@aol.com] Re: vocal ranges [Jamie Zubairi Home ] New Library item: Dylan and Friends Drift Along on Bus Tour [TheStaff@Jon] Re: Shooting in California (NJC) ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] Re: Shooting in California (NJC) ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 02:20:41 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Shooting in California, njc More on this story. Killer's family tried to intervene before rampage http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Killer-s-family-tried-to-intervene-before-rampage-5504560.php ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 21:16:47 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Shooting in California (NJC) My daughter was a freshman at her school and had some problems with a boy who exhibited some exact traits of this shooter. I called and called the school trying to get them to do something, writing emails, trying to get my daughter to contact whom she needed to. It was a run-around from one place to the next. I can only guess that because of this boy's right to privacy, etc., he too had to be protected. I kept saying to them, "But you can call his parents, call him in and ask him questions  something!" The answer was always, "Well, if he hasn't done anything" I wish there were an easier answer. It does seem that everyone in Elliot's case dropped the ball. I completely agree that some alarm somewhere should have been in place that one person buying three guns is a red flag. But this boy also stabbed his three roommates which I can't understand. So if he hadn't had access to guns, would he have just stabbed and perhaps driven into people in his car? A person this unhinged is going to find a way to "seek revenge." So, so sad. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 08:39:16 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Shooting in California (NJC) This is one of the best articles I've ever read that addresses the cultural shift in the USA regarding guns: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/25/i-was-the-nra/ An excerpt: As I grew older I began to notice a different breed of hunter; men who showed up with multiple shotguns as if they were golf clubs needed for specific shots. While most of us wore jeans, t-shirts and hunting vests, these newcomers dressed like they were going on safari, wearing bush hats, shooting jackets (in the 100 degree heat), and cargo pants with more pockets than there existed implements to fill them. You would see them walking the fields; shotgun draped over one arm, can of beer in the other hand. We learned to stay away from them. For these men hunting was a manhood thing, a way to get in touch with their alpha male, a way to prove they weren't soft city dwellers and what better way to do that than to get together with some buddies and shoot some guns at whatever moved. It was no coincidence that, at this same time (this being early seventies), the NRA changed their focus from hunting programs to promoting gun ownership and defending the 2nd Amendment from imaginary enemies. Each trip afield meant running into more men concerned with the idea of shooting but unburdened with any concept of the etiquette of hunting. For an adult, all you needed was the cash to purchased a gun and a hunting license and you were good to go forth and kill. - ----- Lori, soon to be off for a peaceful motorcycle ride to Shoshone Falls, Idaho today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 07:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "motitan75@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Shooting in California (NJC) Ultimately the mental health field needs to evaluate the use of social media for its assessment purposes. At this time, there's not really a clear "this is what you do" when it comes to hateful, violence messages written online or spewed in a video. The Police mean well when they are asked to do welfare checks but they are not mental health professionals. They couldn't do anything if he was being respectful at the time. However, all these videos and writings/videos existed that should have been brought to light in a therapy session and I think considered just as serious of a threat as someone saying it in an office during a therapy session. Mon Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:38:08 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: vocal range One interesting point to mention is that Jonis voice never was naturally a soprano (despite the Rainy Night House lyric). Her voice on the first two albums is agile and youthful but not yet helium, an effect she adopted really only on Ladies of the Canyon, and then subsequently abandoned. Listen to I Had a King or Tin Angel for example for how alto she sang before LOTC or All I Want after it. On May 26, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Thanks, Dave. Vocal range is really an uninteresting topic unless you're into acrobatics. An important person that was left off that list was Bobby McFerrin - his vocal range is one that he uses in the most creative ways, singing bass lines while also singing melodies - at the same time - and his range allows this remarkable feat. > > I agree with what others say on this topic here in this discussion group - this is a sophisticated group of listeners - I'm afraid the "general public" is less so. I love the term "helium days" describing Joni's young voice - and thanks again, Dave, for all the work you've done transcribing and researching Joni - very valuable information on one of the most important artists of the 20th century!! > > Laurie > > > On ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 07:29:38 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Looking_back:_Hal=E2=80=99s_co-?= =?UTF-8?Q?owner_reflects_on_25_years_on_Abbot_Kinney?= Title: Looking back: Halbs co-owner reflects on 25 years on Abbot Kinney Publication: Argonaut Date: 2012.12.13 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2790 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 11:07:55 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: vocal range Thanks, Dave. Vocal range is really an uninteresting topic unless you're into acrobatics. An important person that was left off that list was Bobby McFerrin - his vocal range is one that he uses in the most creative ways, singing bass lines while also singing melodies - at the same time - and his range allows this remarkable feat. I agree with what others say on this topic here in this discussion group - this is a sophisticated group of listeners - I'm afraid the "general public" is less so. I love the term "helium days" describing Joni's young voice - and thanks again, Dave, for all the work you've done transcribing and researching Joni - very valuable information on one of the most important artists of the 20th century!! Laurie On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Laurie, > > It might be cheating to talk about a big range over the course of your > lifetime (but not at any one time!) When we were screaming infants to grown > men singing baritone for example is a pretty big pitch range. Then you have > to kind of filter out bpossibleb notes from busefulb notes; most of us can > grumble into our chest and shriek when you find a tarantula in your shoe > but those extremes are not that musically useful unless you have a punk > band! > > In her helium days Joni could comfortably hit A above A above middle C and > in her last orchestra recordings she would sing down to about E below > middle C, so thatbs about two and a half octaves of controlled pitch, but > over the course of thirty years. Thatbs pretty good. Whatever that silly > article claims, most decent singers have under two octaves of useful > musical range. The Stars and Stripes anthem has a range of a 12th (an > octave plus a fifth) and it is famously hard to sing as you have so little > wiggle room as to key. > > Having more pitch range of course does not make you a better singer, as we > all know. More emotional range does. > > Dave > > > > On May 24, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Laurie Antonioli > wrote: > > > Re: the vocal range thing - I think someone like Dave Blackburn could > step > > in and let us know - I don't know for sure, but, Joni's range from her > > early years to the later was really significant. Dave...some of those > > background things she sang were sky high, weren't they? You've done so > > much transcribing you surely know her range from top to bottom. > > > > Laurie > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM, JMDL Digest >wrote: > > > >> > >> JMDL Digest Saturday, May 24 2014 Volume 2014 : Number > >> 778 > >> > >> > >> > >> ========== > >> > >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > >> -------- > >> Re: vocal ranges [Corey Blake < > >> coreyblake@gmail.com>] > >> vocal ranges ["ron" < > >> rong@mweb.co.za>] > >> Joni Covers, Volume 189 [Bob Muller < > >> scjoniguy@yahoo.com>] > >> Re: vocal ranges ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" < > >> johnnybgoode@lineone.net>] > >> Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #777 [SusanBTaylorBand < > >> susanbtaylorband@prodigy.ne] > >> Re: Tori Amos River (live) May 8th [Betsy Blue < > >> betsyblue82@gmail.com>] > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 12:06:10 -0700 > >> From: Corey Blake > >> Subject: Re: vocal ranges > >> > >> I saw that too and have been meaning to post it here. I m curious what > >> some of the more musically-inclined think of this. Is this right? I > thought > >> it should be a wider range, considering how high she sang in the very > early > >> days compared to her most recent work. But maybe not. > >> > >> > >> On May 24, 2014, at 8:38 AM, ron wrote: > >> > >>> I came across this site on another forum. > >>> > >>> http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges > >>> > >>> purports to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a > little > >>> surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared > to > >>> some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) > >>> > >>> > >>> ron > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 17:38:33 +0200 > >> From: "ron" > >> Subject: vocal ranges > >> > >> I came across this site on another forum. > >> > >> http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges > >> > >> purports to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little > >> surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared to > >> some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) > >> > >> > >> ron > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 07:07:21 -0700 (PDT) > >> From: Bob Muller > >> Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 189 > >> > >> Howdy all, and Happy Memorial Day weekend to those of us in the USA. Got > >> another NEW batch of covers to lay on y'all today...most of these are > from > >> 2011-12 with the oldest being from the 2002 Steve Klink and Rachel Z > >> tributes. > >> And speaking of Steve Klink, this volume kicks off with his instrumental > >> version of "Cotton Avenue" which is incidentally the only one so far > that > >> I'm > >> aware of. > >> > >> 189 also features a nice mini-set from Florencia Otero - she's got > >> a great voice and has a fine band backing her up and contributing some > >> lovely > >> solos. We also get a cover of "The Arrangement" which is another one we > >> don't > >> hear very often. Kevin Sandbloom gives us another of his covers from his > >> Blue > >> tribute. I love his voice and the twist he puts on these songs. Marge > >> Weber, > >> not so much. Many other tasty nuggets to be found in this sampler. > >> > >> Zzip it! > >> http://ow.ly/xdB85 > >> > >> 1. Steve Klink - Cotton Avenue > >> 2. Mary Jane Alm - A Case > >> of You > >> 3. Leila Thigpen - Both Sides Now > >> 4. Florencia Otero - I Had A King > >> 5. > >> Florencia Otero - River > >> 6. Florencia Otero - Little Green > >> 7. Florencia Otero - > >> A Case Of You > >> 8. The Redbird Duo - Circle Game > >> 9. Will Taylor & Strings > >> Attached - Chelsea Morning > >> 10. Kamilla Kovacks - All I Want > >> 11. Nereide - The > >> Arrangement > >> 12. Sally Barker - Real Good For Free > >> 13. Lissa Schneckenburger - > >> River > >> 14. Elisa Peimer, Jon Sobel - Little Green > >> 15. Keiko Utoku - Both Sides > >> Now > >> 16. Rachel Z Trio - Big Yellow Taxi > >> 17. Kevin Sandbloom - A Case Of You > >> 18. Marge Weber - The Circle Game > >> > >> 18 songs, 18 hits - enjoy. > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> NP: > >> Florencia Otero, "A Case Of You" > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 21:08:06 +0100 (BST) > >> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > >> Subject: Re: vocal ranges > >> > >> Ron, > >> > >> This sounds ridiculous Mariah and Whitney not at the Top Lennon > >> similar to McCartney Winwood and Elton John not the highest males. > >> > >> > >> Idon't believe it. > >> > >> John > >> > >>> ----Original Message---- > >>> From: rong@mweb.co. > >> za > >>> Date: 24/05/2014 15:38 > >>> To: "JMDL JMDL" > >>> Subj: vocal > >> ranges > >>> > >>> I came across this site on another forum. > >>> > >>> http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges> > >>> purports > >> to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little > >> > >>> surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared > >> to > >>> some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) > >>> > >>> > >>> ron > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 08:22:25 -0500 > >> From: SusanBTaylorBand > >> Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #777 > >> > >> After watching the MuchMusic Intimate and Interactive video presented > here > >> a few days ago by another Digest member, Joni stated in the video that > she > >> had about two years of piano lessons, said something about getting > through > >> the second grade book, so she did have music training - and most likely > >> learned theory and sight reading. If it was a course like John Thompson > >> (very popular in that era) then the second grade book affords a lot of > >> theory and sight reading opportunities. > >> > >> Susan > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >>> On May 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> JMDL Digest Saturday, May 24 2014 Volume 2014 : > Number > >> 777 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ========== > >>> > >>> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > >>> -------- > >>> Re: The Last Waltz (alternate b/w recording) [" > >> johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] > >>> Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #172 [Paul Ivice < > >> ivpaul42@aol.com>] > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 21:53:20 +0100 (BST) > >>> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > >>> Subject: Re: The Last Waltz (alternate b/w recording) > >>> > >>> Monica, > >>> > >>> Many thanks for posting this.I love the Shadows & Light Jam. > >>> The two drummers and Garth and Robbie's contributions, wow, you don't > >>> need the fretless bass. > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) > >>> From: Paul Ivice > >>> Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #172 > >>> > >>> And then there was Vari-speed, a control on analog tape machines that > >> adjusted > >>> the motor speed by small amounts. Before digital recording it was > common > >>> practice to slow the tape machine a little for extra fatness on a track > >> or > >>> speed > >>> it up a little for extra pep, without regard for the poor student > trying > >> to > >>> play > >>> along to it. The A440 reference, then, has been disregarded many many > >> times > >>> since it was adopted. Those who cite 432Hz as a better pitch reference > >> are in > >>> fact hearing a little more fulness and low end than if the same music > is > >>> played > >>> at A440; I dont think theres anything celestial, spiritual or political > >>> whatsoever going on, though we love a good mystery when science is > >> involved! > >>> > >>> Remember that all this discussion is about a woman who cannot or does > >> not read > >>> music,so some of the things being discussed about Joni ascribe to her > >> much > >>> more careful thought than the instinct I believe she relies on for most > >> of > >>> these decisions. > >>> > >>> > >>> Paul Ivice ;>) > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #777 > >>> ***************************** > >>> > >>> ------- > >>> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > >>> Unsubscribe by clicking here: > >>> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > >>> ------- > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 15:05:51 -0700 > >> From: Betsy Blue > >> Subject: Re: Tori Amos River (live) May 8th > >> > >> River was on the set list (Berlin) again today. > >> On May 19, 2014 1:03 PM, "Betsy Blue" wrote: > >> > >>> Here's the link to Tori singing River. If you click directly on the > River > >>> play button, you get an older version with video. The new audio is with > >> the > >>> I Knew You Were Trouble play button and starts at 40:45 into that > video. > >>> > >>> http://bit.ly/1kiMEtv > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #778 > >> ***************************** > >> > >> ------- > >> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: > >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > >> ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 11:25:52 -0400 (EDT) From: BarbaRent7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #783--CA killings For years now, children have been killing their elders and besides the 22-yr old killing those around him in CA was a 16 yr old in PA shooting a cab driver; That Rodgers kid killed people with his BMW car, knives and gun---hopefully they won't be banning all 3 weapons since it was the kid's evil self which did these horrid things. If someone hangs himself upon a tree do we then cut down all trees? (altho greedy developers do their best with destroying as much as they can) its all in the book of Revelations. "and I looked and beheld a pale horse and his name was Death...the moon will be as blood and sun made black" Joni's music gives me hope that we're not all done for yet. Her words can show us the very best of people, not the worst. All children should be raised with her music, they'd turn out better, I think. God bless you all and peace, Barbara of SoCal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 15:34:48 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: vocal ranges "flageolet register"? Little Bean? On 24 May 2014 17:06, "ron" wrote: > I came across this site on another forum. > > http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges > > purports to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little > surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared to > some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 21:53:41 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Dylan and Friends Drift Along on Bus Tour Title: Dylan and Friends Drift Along on Bus Tour Publication: Ironwood Daily Globe (Michigan Newspaper) Date: 1975.12.26 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2789 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 11:48:46 +0100 (BST) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: Shooting in California (NJC) All, I agree, Lionel Shriver's book is harrowing, and illustrates that it is not just the availability of weapons, but two other reasons that are important: First the mindset that allows someone to kill out of resentment or even less reason amounting to indifference. Secondly, the cultural aspect: if something is an established in a culture others will try to emulate it (copycat). Teenagers have stronger emotions and less wisdom, and a teenage psychopath can be even less rational than an adult, who is more likely to protect himself and less likely risk his liberty with a engaging in a bloodbath like this. There are two UK examples Dunblane and Hungerford in the last 27 years. Both were committed by adults. Hopefully there hasn't and will not be emulation of these. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 09:37:09 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Kathy Moser does Big Yellow Taxi Klesmer-style Listening to it at http://ckua.org right now. Kate b?b 1b.b?b 1b.b?b 1b. Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 23:46:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #180 From: SusanBTaylorBand Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #777 After watching the MuchMusic Intimate and Interactive video presented here a few days ago by another Digest member, Joni stated in the video that she had about two years of piano lessons, said something about getting through the second grade book, so she did have music training - and most likely learned theory and sight reading. If it was a course like John Thompson (very popular in that era) then the second grade book affords a lot of theory and sight reading opportunities. Susan In an article for Downbeat magazine in the mid-'70s, Joni told the interviewer that she could not read music and was famously quoted saying, "Ignorance is bliss." Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:42:03 +0100 (BST) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: Shooting in California (NJC) All, Sorry I forgot Monkseatton and Cumbria. Again adults having some form of mental breakdown, giving in to their frustation and emotions with shotguns and rifles. John >----Original Message---- >From: johnnybgoode@lineone.net >Date: 26/05/2014 10:48 >To: "Joni List" >Subj: Re: Shooting in California (NJC) > >All, > >I agree, Lionel Shriver's book is harrowing, and illustrates >that it is not just the availability of weapons, but two other reasons >that are important: > >First the mindset that allows someone to kill out >of resentment or even less reason amounting to indifference. > >Secondly, >the cultural aspect: if something is an established in a culture others >will try to emulate it (copycat). > >Teenagers have stronger emotions and >less wisdom, and a teenage psychopath can be even less rational than an >adult, who is more likely to protect himself and less likely risk his >liberty with a engaging in a bloodbath like this. > >There are two UK >examples Dunblane and Hungerford in the last 27 years. Both were >committed by adults. > >Hopefully there hasn't and will not be emulation >of these. > >John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:38:08 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: vocal range One interesting point to mention is that Jonis voice never was naturally a soprano (despite the Rainy Night House lyric). Her voice on the first two albums is agile and youthful but not yet helium, an effect she adopted really only on Ladies of the Canyon, and then subsequently abandoned. Listen to I Had a King or Tin Angel for example for how alto she sang before LOTC or All I Want after it. On May 26, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Thanks, Dave. Vocal range is really an uninteresting topic unless you're into acrobatics. An important person that was left off that list was Bobby McFerrin - his vocal range is one that he uses in the most creative ways, singing bass lines while also singing melodies - at the same time - and his range allows this remarkable feat. > > I agree with what others say on this topic here in this discussion group - this is a sophisticated group of listeners - I'm afraid the "general public" is less so. I love the term "helium days" describing Joni's young voice - and thanks again, Dave, for all the work you've done transcribing and researching Joni - very valuable information on one of the most important artists of the 20th century!! > > Laurie > > > On ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #784 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------