From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #782 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, May 25 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 782 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shooting in California, njc [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Shooting in California, njc [Lori Renee Fye ] New Library item: BREAKING NEWS [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Tori Amos plays Circle Game in Hamburg [Betsy Blue ] Re: vocal range [Catherine McKay ] Show me yours [Sally ] Re: vocal range ["Mark" ] Re: vocal range [Catherine McKay ] Re: vocal range [Dave Blackburn ] Covers 189 - New link [Bob Muller ] Re: vocal range ["Mark" ] Re: vocal ranges [Michael Paz ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #780--shootings in CA [BarbaRent7@aol.com] Re: Shooting in California (njc) [kbhla@fastmail.fm] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 14:54:03 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Shooting in California, njc Here is what is REALLY wrong with the most recent situation: From http://time.com/113948/elliot-rodger-ucsb-santa-barbara/ ... - --- Headline: Authorities checked up on Elliot Rodger after a call from a concerned family member about his YouTube videos, but they did not determine that he needed to immediately go to a mental health facility - --- First two paragraphs of story: The suspected killer in a murderous rampage in Santa Barbara, Calif. reportedly sent a detailed manifesto outlining his plans to his parents shortly before stabbing and shooting six people and taking his own life. A friend of Elliot Rodger's family told CNN that the 22-year-old emailed a 141-page document explaining his motives to a few dozen people, including his parents and a therapist. - ------------- Threatening YouTube videos and a ONE HUNDRED FORTY-ONE page manifesto are sufficient to determine that someone needs to immediately be committed to a mental health facility and have any guns taken from him. Who dropped the ball? Everyone. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 14:45:19 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Shooting in California, njc Laura asked: > Why didn't anybody stop this murderer after he shot the first person? > Didn't anybody have any training in self-defense? Wasn't anybody armed to > defend themselves? Where were the police? Why did this guy have time to > go to three different places to kill people? Why are people sitting ducks > like this? Because, for one thing, it's California and believe it or not most people there do not walk around with firearms on their person or in their purse. It's a different culture. Regardless of the numbers of shootings that have occurred in California and elsewhere, people still do not anticipate that a place like Santa Barbara is going to become a war zone. Everyone expects everyone else to be somewhat civilized, and not for a guy to start shooting people because he can't get a date. Where were the police? All of this stuff can happen in a matter of minutes, especially with a semiautomatic pistol. This is one of the reasons I would personally limit ammo clips to no more than five rounds, although of course it takes no time to drop a clip and reload if one is properly prepared. It's too bad that guns with ammo clips replaced revolvers, because it takes a little more time to load a revolver, although I supposed you could carry three or four revolvers if you were that intent upon killing a number of people. Derek wrote, wisely but perhaps with some naovety: > Why not learn from what has happened in the past. Your nation is awash > with over-the-counter advanced lethal weapons. The statistics are > inevitable and many are getting hurt. Get rid of the guns and you will > reduce the statistics. Because most Americans DO NOT LEARN. Or they just don't care. Or they're so convinced that "Obama is coming to get the guns!" that they refuse to do anything at all to reduce the numbers and types of weapons and ammo clips that can be purchased legally. They sure as hell don't pay attention to what's actually going on around them. You'd think someone would have turned the shooter into the police for writing the things he was writing on that online forum. But no ... can't get involved. It's really our apathy that's going to kill us. We only care when it's already too late. Lori, in gun loving Idaho (although to be fair it's really about hunting here, not that I like that any better) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 16:31:04 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: BREAKING NEWS Title: BREAKING NEWS Publication: juliensauctions.com Date: 2014.05.19 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2788 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 18:15:38 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Tori Amos plays Circle Game in Hamburg For all the Ears With Feet: It looks like Joni is "making an appearance" every few Tori shows on this tour. I suspect the audiences have been approving. Here's a quote from a few years ago: bJoni Mitchell influenced bands of that time. It wasnbt as if she had to be as loud as the band she inspired. They understood. It was about how powerful her content was.b Betsy NP Brute (Ferry Corsten vs. Armin van Buuren) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 23:17:24 -0400 From: Sally Subject: Re: Tori Amos plays Circle Game in Hamburg Hey Betsy! Tori is astounding and she's always paid tribute to Joni in her live shows. Here's a quote from her concerning Joni: "So I'll listen to some song and say, 'Why didn't I write that?'...I could name five songs, right off the top of my head, that I would have given my right arm to write. Joni Mitchell's "Case of You", don't get it any better. A better song hasn't been written. I don't care what female singer/songwriter you throw up in my face. None has done anything in the league of Case of You, me included. I sing Case of You almost every night in concert because of that. For a woman to be able to say what that says, with that kind of addiction and yet that kind of grace, is just not done. Even Zeppelin and those guys listened to Joni. They were TOTALLY influenced by Joni. Tori- Keyboard Mag/Nov 1994 Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > On May 25, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Betsy Blue wrote: > > For all the Ears With Feet: > > It looks like Joni is "making an appearance" every few Tori shows on this > tour. I suspect the audiences have been approving. > > Here's a quote from a few years ago: > > bJoni Mitchell influenced bands of that time. It wasnbt as if she had to > be > as loud as the band she inspired. They understood. It was about how > powerful her content was.b > > Betsy > NP Brute (Ferry Corsten vs. Armin van Buuren) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 14:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: vocal range Amen to that. I can't stand the really high-pitched shrieking that people like Mariah Carey do. To me, that's just vocal acrobatics and maybe it's good vocal exercise (or maybe not) but it hurts my sensitive, shell-like ears. Maybe it's the fact that I'm part dog, I dunno, but make it go awaaaaayyyy! I'd rather hear Joni with the limited vocal range she has now rasping* out "Furry sings the blues," as she did at Luminato, than hear Mariah Carey do just about anything. But hey, that's just me! *In case anyone's going for the flame-throwers, it wasn't a rasp at all, but Ms Mitchell says she can't sing anymore and I get that, and I just like the sound of "rasp." (now playing in my head: a voice like Mercedes McCambridge's Exorcist-demon, singing one of those helium-Joni songs, "Conversation" maybe. Or maybe Jimmy Durante singing "All I want.") > > Having more pitch range of course does not make you a better singer, as we all > know. More emotional range does. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 23:10:48 -0400 From: Sally Subject: Show me yours I happened to take my iPod out of the protective sleeve today and cleaned it up. It has ridden hundreds of cycling miles with me and was a sweaty mess. Naturally, I flipped it over and... Several years back when offered a choice of engravings for my iPod, I walked a manic line for days...trying to condense my dream choice for lyrics to the allowable number of letters. AGONY!!! I narrowed and eliminated and finally came up with: sweet bird you are briefer than a falling star I assume there are others here who did likewise. Anybody into sharing? Or sharing what you almost selected. I pondered some Tori Amos lyrics from "Space Dog"and some dark things from "Sisters of the Moon," but I couldn't walk past Sweet Bird. I've said it before here...I really think Joni touched the essence of The words in that song. It's visionary. Sent from Confunction Junction on my iphone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 19:28:02 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: vocal range Billie Holiday always had a bit of smoky rasp in her voice from her very first recordings in the early 1930s. She never had a silky smooth sound although her recordings in the early to mid 1940s come as close to it as any of her career. In the late 40s up until her death in 1959, the voice got progressively more gravelly. She also had a very limited pitch range. Yet she is remembered as one of the greatest singers of all time and rightfully so. Her technique was impeccable and her delivery always informed with a sense of honesty that made you believe she had lived every word she sang. Judy Garland did not have an impressive range in pitch either. Yet her voice had a warmth and clarity that she used to great effect. She could sing with an intimacy that caressed every note or sing with powerful intensity that could be heart wrenching. She could also turn around and sing with a brightness that was an infectious expression of pure joy. Neither of these singers performed vocal acrobatics with runs or jaw-dropping high notes. It's true, the style has changed and people like Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston have become the standard that other singers are measured against. But there is something to be said for the innate genius for communicating a song that singers like Billie and Judy possessed. Like Joni, they stand outside of current trends. They set their own unique standards and their art is timeless. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay *In case anyone's going for the flame-throwers, it wasn't a rasp at all, but Ms Mitchell says she can't sing anymore and I get that, and I just like the sound of "rasp." (now playing in my head: a voice like Mercedes McCambridge's Exorcist-demon, singing one of those helium-Joni songs, "Conversation" maybe. Or maybe Jimmy Durante singing "All I want.") > > Having more pitch range of course does not make you a better singer, as we > all > know. More emotional range does. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 14:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: vocal range Amen to that. I can't stand the really high-pitched shrieking that people like Mariah Carey do. To me, that's just vocal acrobatics and maybe it's good vocal exercise (or maybe not) but it hurts my sensitive, shell-like ears. Maybe it's the fact that I'm part dog, I dunno, but make it go awaaaaayyyy! I'd rather hear Joni with the limited vocal range she has now rasping* out "Furry sings the blues," as she did at Luminato, than hear Mariah Carey do just about anything. But hey, that's just me! *In case anyone's going for the flame-throwers, it wasn't a rasp at all, but Ms Mitchell says she can't sing anymore and I get that, and I just like the sound of "rasp." (now playing in my head: a voice like Mercedes McCambridge's Exorcist-demon, singing one of those helium-Joni songs, "Conversation" maybe. Or maybe Jimmy Durante singing "All I want.") > > Having more pitch range of course does not make you a better singer, as we all > know. More emotional range does. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 16:31:19 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: vocal range Laurie, It might be cheating to talk about a big range over the course of your lifetime (but not at any one time!) When we were screaming infants to grown men singing baritone for example is a pretty big pitch range. Then you have to kind of filter out possible notes from useful notes; most of us can grumble into our chest and shriek when you find a tarantula in your shoe but those extremes are not that musically useful unless you have a punk band! In her helium days Joni could comfortably hit A above A above middle C and in her last orchestra recordings she would sing down to about E below middle C, so thats about two and a half octaves of controlled pitch, but over the course of thirty years. Thats pretty good. Whatever that silly article claims, most decent singers have under two octaves of useful musical range. The Stars and Stripes anthem has a range of a 12th (an octave plus a fifth) and it is famously hard to sing as you have so little wiggle room as to key. Having more pitch range of course does not make you a better singer, as we all know. More emotional range does. Dave On May 24, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Re: the vocal range thing - I think someone like Dave Blackburn could step > in and let us know - I don't know for sure, but, Joni's range from her > early years to the later was really significant. Dave...some of those > background things she sang were sky high, weren't they? You've done so > much transcribing you surely know her range from top to bottom. > > Laurie > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > >> >> JMDL Digest Saturday, May 24 2014 Volume 2014 : Number >> 778 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: vocal ranges [Corey Blake < >> coreyblake@gmail.com>] >> vocal ranges ["ron" < >> rong@mweb.co.za>] >> Joni Covers, Volume 189 [Bob Muller < >> scjoniguy@yahoo.com>] >> Re: vocal ranges ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" < >> johnnybgoode@lineone.net>] >> Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #777 [SusanBTaylorBand < >> susanbtaylorband@prodigy.ne] >> Re: Tori Amos River (live) May 8th [Betsy Blue < >> betsyblue82@gmail.com>] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 12:06:10 -0700 >> From: Corey Blake >> Subject: Re: vocal ranges >> >> I saw that too and have been meaning to post it here. I m curious what >> some of the more musically-inclined think of this. Is this right? I thought >> it should be a wider range, considering how high she sang in the very early >> days compared to her most recent work. But maybe not. >> >> >> On May 24, 2014, at 8:38 AM, ron wrote: >> >>> I came across this site on another forum. >>> >>> http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges >>> >>> purports to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little >>> surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared to >>> some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) >>> >>> >>> ron >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 17:38:33 +0200 >> From: "ron" >> Subject: vocal ranges >> >> I came across this site on another forum. >> >> http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges >> >> purports to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little >> surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared to >> some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) >> >> >> ron >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 07:07:21 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Bob Muller >> Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 189 >> >> Howdy all, and Happy Memorial Day weekend to those of us in the USA. Got >> another NEW batch of covers to lay on y'all today...most of these are from >> 2011-12 with the oldest being from the 2002 Steve Klink and Rachel Z >> tributes. >> And speaking of Steve Klink, this volume kicks off with his instrumental >> version of "Cotton Avenue" which is incidentally the only one so far that >> I'm >> aware of. >> >> 189 also features a nice mini-set from Florencia Otero - she's got >> a great voice and has a fine band backing her up and contributing some >> lovely >> solos. We also get a cover of "The Arrangement" which is another one we >> don't >> hear very often. Kevin Sandbloom gives us another of his covers from his >> Blue >> tribute. I love his voice and the twist he puts on these songs. Marge >> Weber, >> not so much. Many other tasty nuggets to be found in this sampler. >> >> Zzip it! >> http://ow.ly/xdB85 >> >> 1. Steve Klink - Cotton Avenue >> 2. Mary Jane Alm - A Case >> of You >> 3. Leila Thigpen - Both Sides Now >> 4. Florencia Otero - I Had A King >> 5. >> Florencia Otero - River >> 6. Florencia Otero - Little Green >> 7. Florencia Otero - >> A Case Of You >> 8. The Redbird Duo - Circle Game >> 9. Will Taylor & Strings >> Attached - Chelsea Morning >> 10. Kamilla Kovacks - All I Want >> 11. Nereide - The >> Arrangement >> 12. Sally Barker - Real Good For Free >> 13. Lissa Schneckenburger - >> River >> 14. Elisa Peimer, Jon Sobel - Little Green >> 15. Keiko Utoku - Both Sides >> Now >> 16. Rachel Z Trio - Big Yellow Taxi >> 17. Kevin Sandbloom - A Case Of You >> 18. Marge Weber - The Circle Game >> >> 18 songs, 18 hits - enjoy. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: >> Florencia Otero, "A Case Of You" >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 21:08:06 +0100 (BST) >> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> Subject: Re: vocal ranges >> >> Ron, >> >> This sounds ridiculous Mariah and Whitney not at the Top Lennon >> similar to McCartney Winwood and Elton John not the highest males. >> >> >> Idon't believe it. >> >> John >> >>> ----Original Message---- >>> From: rong@mweb.co. >> za >>> Date: 24/05/2014 15:38 >>> To: "JMDL JMDL" >>> Subj: vocal >> ranges >>> >>> I came across this site on another forum. >>> >>> http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges> >>> purports >> to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little >> >>> surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared >> to >>> some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) >>> >>> >>> ron >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 08:22:25 -0500 >> From: SusanBTaylorBand >> Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #777 >> >> After watching the MuchMusic Intimate and Interactive video presented here >> a few days ago by another Digest member, Joni stated in the video that she >> had about two years of piano lessons, said something about getting through >> the second grade book, so she did have music training - and most likely >> learned theory and sight reading. If it was a course like John Thompson >> (very popular in that era) then the second grade book affords a lot of >> theory and sight reading opportunities. >> >> Susan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On May 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> JMDL Digest Saturday, May 24 2014 Volume 2014 : Number >> 777 >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> >>> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >>> -------- >>> Re: The Last Waltz (alternate b/w recording) [" >> johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] >>> Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #172 [Paul Ivice < >> ivpaul42@aol.com>] >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 21:53:20 +0100 (BST) >>> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >>> Subject: Re: The Last Waltz (alternate b/w recording) >>> >>> Monica, >>> >>> Many thanks for posting this.I love the Shadows & Light Jam. >>> The two drummers and Garth and Robbie's contributions, wow, you don't >>> need the fretless bass. >>> >>> John >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) >>> From: Paul Ivice >>> Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #172 >>> >>> And then there was Vari-speed, a control on analog tape machines that >> adjusted >>> the motor speed by small amounts. Before digital recording it was common >>> practice to slow the tape machine a little for extra fatness on a track >> or >>> speed >>> it up a little for extra pep, without regard for the poor student trying >> to >>> play >>> along to it. The A440 reference, then, has been disregarded many many >> times >>> since it was adopted. Those who cite 432Hz as a better pitch reference >> are in >>> fact hearing a little more fulness and low end than if the same music is >>> played >>> at A440; I dont think theres anything celestial, spiritual or political >>> whatsoever going on, though we love a good mystery when science is >> involved! >>> >>> Remember that all this discussion is about a woman who cannot or does >> not read >>> music,so some of the things being discussed about Joni ascribe to her >> much >>> more careful thought than the instinct I believe she relies on for most >> of >>> these decisions. >>> >>> >>> Paul Ivice ;>) >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #777 >>> ***************************** >>> >>> ------- >>> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >>> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >>> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >>> ------- >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 15:05:51 -0700 >> From: Betsy Blue >> Subject: Re: Tori Amos River (live) May 8th >> >> River was on the set list (Berlin) again today. >> On May 19, 2014 1:03 PM, "Betsy Blue" wrote: >> >>> Here's the link to Tori singing River. If you click directly on the River >>> play button, you get an older version with video. The new audio is with >> the >>> I Knew You Were Trouble play button and starts at 40:45 into that video. >>> >>> http://bit.ly/1kiMEtv >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #778 >> ***************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 06:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Covers 189 - New link So...supposedly the link to 189 crapped out somehow...sigh. If at first you don't succeed... http://ow.ly/xeCwu If you still can't snag it, mail me offlist (or on, really doesn't matter but I realize that most of you prefer to linger in the shadows) and I'll send it directly to you. Yes, I will do that, I'm that nice of a guy. Bob NP: REM, "Romance" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 19:28:02 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: vocal range Billie Holiday always had a bit of smoky rasp in her voice from her very first recordings in the early 1930s. She never had a silky smooth sound although her recordings in the early to mid 1940s come as close to it as any of her career. In the late 40s up until her death in 1959, the voice got progressively more gravelly. She also had a very limited pitch range. Yet she is remembered as one of the greatest singers of all time and rightfully so. Her technique was impeccable and her delivery always informed with a sense of honesty that made you believe she had lived every word she sang. Judy Garland did not have an impressive range in pitch either. Yet her voice had a warmth and clarity that she used to great effect. She could sing with an intimacy that caressed every note or sing with powerful intensity that could be heart wrenching. She could also turn around and sing with a brightness that was an infectious expression of pure joy. Neither of these singers performed vocal acrobatics with runs or jaw-dropping high notes. It's true, the style has changed and people like Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston have become the standard that other singers are measured against. But there is something to be said for the innate genius for communicating a song that singers like Billie and Judy possessed. Like Joni, they stand outside of current trends. They set their own unique standards and their art is timeless. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay *In case anyone's going for the flame-throwers, it wasn't a rasp at all, but Ms Mitchell says she can't sing anymore and I get that, and I just like the sound of "rasp." (now playing in my head: a voice like Mercedes McCambridge's Exorcist-demon, singing one of those helium-Joni songs, "Conversation" maybe. Or maybe Jimmy Durante singing "All I want.") > > Having more pitch range of course does not make you a better singer, as we > all > know. More emotional range does. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 21:25:14 +0100 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: vocal ranges Interesting thread. Altho I contest the accuracy. it obviously does not include falsetto but even so I think the vox on somthing like Helter Skelter exceeds the song Money for McCartney (and not being able to get to the piano in Ronnie Scott's where we are tonight) I cannot verify. Paul has one of the most amazing voices in music. Have to look into this one more. Thanks for posting best Paz ( in London with Les Ross and Lieve Reckers) TBQ on stage at the moment playing Time to Spare by Brice Winston On May 24, 2014, at 9:08 PM, johnnybgoode@lineone.net wrote: Ron, This sounds ridiculous Mariah and Whitney not at the Top Lennon similar to McCartney Winwood and Elton John not the highest males. Idon't believe it. John > ----Original Message---- > From: rong@mweb.co. za > Date: 24/05/2014 15:38 > To: "JMDL JMDL" > Subj: vocal ranges > > I came across this site on another forum. > > http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges> > purports to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little > surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared to > some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 11:24:19 -0400 (EDT) From: BarbaRent7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #780--shootings in CA I agree with you Laura, why wasn't this guy stopped sooner? That'a why I'm getting more agoraphobic and just staying home with my 2,000 record albums and 500 CDs and listening to my Joni music and cleaning my rifle and feeding my six large guard dogs. Our world has turned into a cesspool and Joni's music is all I have to lift me up. Pray for peace and better medications out there, Babs of SoCal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 20:23:46 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: Shooting in California (njc) Hi Laura, He stabbed his 3 roommates to death with a knife before he took off to shoot people and run them down with his car. I don't think the police were aware of the stabbing victims until they searched his apt. the next day. Then everything else happened so fast while the police were in pursuit of him. Several of the victims with non-fatal injuries were run over by his car. If you are wondering why a private citizen did not stop him, in California nearly all private individuals are prohibited from carrying a gun on their person. They can only have an unloaded gun in the trunk of their car, and separate from ammunition. Exceptions are only made by the courts for certain celebrities, high profile persons, judges, etc. who have demonstrated a need for personal protection. There is a lot of frustration on many levels in this incident, particularly as to why the police didn't have him hospitalized when they were sent to do a welfare check on him. Under the law, they can't search his place or bring him to a hospital unless he was showing imminent danger to himself or others. He had bought 3 guns legally and passed the background checks because his record did not show that he had committed any crimes or had been hospitalized for psychiatric illness. I read a good comment on this in that the police should have at least ran a check to see if he owned guns and also that a mobile psychiatric unit should have been brought in when they interviewed him. It is very sad and horrific. Kakki > Clipped from an Internet article: "After already killing five others at > his > apartment and outside a sorority house, Rodger walked into the deli and > shot > Michael-Martinez, authorities said." > > I have been doing math all day today > running a business. Then I read about this tragedy, and the math didn't > add > up. > > Why didn't anybody stop this murderer after he shot the first person? > Didn't anybody have any training in self-defense? Wasn't anybody armed > to > defend themselves? Where were the police? Why did this guy have time to > go > to three different places to kill people? Why are people sitting ducks > like > this? > > My niece is going to the University of California at Santa Barbara > this Fall so this really struck home as well as thinking of Kate and > Jeff. > > So > sad, > Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #782 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------