From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #674 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 674 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Who's still here NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] CMIARS/Shine [Betsy Blue ] Re: CMIARS/Shine [Catherine McKay ] RE: CMIARS/Shine ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Masterworks [Paul Ivice ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 [Maggie McNally ] Re: Winter in Florida NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Winter in Florida [Paul Ivice ] Re: Who's still here NJC [Catherine McKay ] Damn, njc [Laura Stanley ] RE: CMIARS/Shine ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: CMIARS/Shine [Garret ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 10:54:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Who's still here NJC Agree. While this format seems old school now, it serves the purpose for more lengthy in-depth discussion. It would be nice if there was a "like" button though...folks seem to get frustrated when no one replies to their posts and feel like no one is reading them. What we've seen over the past few days is that is just not the case. Bob NP: Neil Finn, "Turn and Run" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 06:21:45 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: CMIARS/Shine Randy: "If you locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me." I can never shake the feeling that she made Shine during a solo week in her BC place. It feels like a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. That said, Night of the Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano-based songs. If Joni released a whole album of just piano, I'd buy it. The title track rubs me the wrong way, but overall, this is a good album that I frequently enjoy listening to (most of). Betsy NP #selfie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 10:16:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: CMIARS/Shine I love a good grouchy song, being a grouch myself. I find that, as I age, I get more tolerant of some things and less tolerant of others. I do understand the sentiment behind bitching about "asshole[s] passing on the right" and "Red-light runners... on their cellphones" often has the same importance as more global issues like "lousy leadership" and "mass destruction." They are all symbols of people's selfishness and thoughtlessness, but on a very different scale. Lord knows, I'm constantly bitching about "assholes blocking the intersection" and "dumbasses texting while they walk and walking right into me," so I get the curmudgeonliness of it. And I like the music for "Shine" for the most part, but I also find the song goes on too long. And, oh, you kids, get offa my lawn! >________________________________ > From: Susan E. McNamara >To: Betsy Blue ; "guitarzan05@gmail.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:56:54 AM >Subject: RE: CMIARS/Shine > > >I really love Shine too but mostly for the message ... I'm usually not a big fan of her cranky songs, but Shine has a meditative quality to it that sends me places. Bob, I had to laugh at your description, Andy Rooney put to music. Haha! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 17:24:49 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: CMIARS/Shine I also see this song as an update to Shadows and Light in a way. The contrasts between kids playing and bombs exploding a half a mile away ... the churches and the prisons they own ... plus this phrase is how I feel right now Shine on the pioneers Those seekers of mental health Craving simplicity They travel inward Past themselves ... may all their little lights shine Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 1:16 PM To: Susan E. McNamara; Betsy Blue; guitarzan05@gmail.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: CMIARS/Shine I love a good grouchy song, being a grouch myself. I find that, as I age, I get more tolerant of some things and less tolerant of others. I do understand the sentiment behind bitching about "asshole[s] passing on the right" and "Red-light runners... on their cellphones" often has the same importance as more global issues like "lousy leadership" and "mass destruction." They are all symbols of people's selfishness and thoughtlessness, but on a very different scale. Lord knows, I'm constantly bitching about "assholes blocking the intersection" and "dumbasses texting while they walk and walking right into me," so I get the curmudgeonliness of it. And I like the music for "Shine" for the most part, but I also find the song goes on too long. And, oh, you kids, get offa my lawn! ________________________________ From: Susan E. McNamara > To: Betsy Blue >; "guitarzan05@gmail.com" >; "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:56:54 AM Subject: RE: CMIARS/Shine I really love Shine too but mostly for the message ... I'm usually not a big fan of her cranky songs, but Shine has a meditative quality to it that sends me places. Bob, I had to laugh at your description, Andy Rooney put to music. Haha! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:30:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Masterworks From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: CMIARS Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based solely on its impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in-mind. Even if this were a true statement, and I do not concede that it is, it STILL does not support the description of CMIARS as a masterwork. Under the earlier definition given (sorry, I forget who posted the definition of masterwork as a breakthrough accomplishment that positioned the artist a no longer an apprentice), STAS and C&S were mentioned, but I suggest it was really Blue. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Maggie McNally Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 OK, so I'm writing to say that I'm still here, even though I never post. It partly is due to being on digest, but also because there are people here who are so much more articulate about all things Joni, that I figure my role is to read, learn, and then go put on the album in question. I always did play the audience. I do find it interesting that on the subject of Shine, folks are in agreement that it is not an example of Joni at her finest, yet I am also seeing a variety of titles in the, "but I love..." statements. To each her own, eh? Maggie On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:02 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 156 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Who's still here [Catherine McKay ] CMIARS/Shine [Betsy Blue ] RE: CMIARS/Shine ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Just curious ... who's still here? [Dave Blackburn ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 05:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Who's still here I have to agree with you there. I've always preferred this format over the chat room or message boards type, and Facebook seems more like the message board type. I can't see many people posting long philosophical discussions about Joni (or anything else, for that matter) on Facebook, which lends itself more to the "Here's stuff about me and why my life is more wonderful/crappier than yours; support this cause, oh, and this one, too; here's a picture of a cat" kind of thing and to the ADHD side of anyone's personality. It was a very long, cold winter for many of us, at least in the north and the east, and even here in the Big Smoke, where it's now kinda-sorta spring because things are budding and blooming and I bravely put the winter boots and things away, but it's still much cooler and generally cloudier than it would normally be. I keep reminding people that, before long, we're all going to be bitching about how hot and humid it is. >________________________________ > From: Rob Procyk >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:10:42 AM >Subject: Who's still here > > > the JMDL is the only place that feels like "home." Even though many of us are friends on Facebook and have lots of fun on there, I don't follow the Joni discussions on there, really. I love when I see JMDL emails in my inbox. This is the place for Joni discussions for me. So long story short, I'm still here. And as my fellow Saskatchewan comrade Kate stated, it's the shittiest Saskatchewan winter and spring I can remember, apart from my first Sask winter in 1981-82. I'd run like Joni too, if I could, although there's something about this place! > that just sticks to you in ways I could never explain. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 06:21:45 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: CMIARS/Shine Randy: "If you locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me." I can never shake the feeling that she made Shine during a solo week in her BC place. It feels like a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. That said, Night of the Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano-based songs. If Joni released a whole album of just piano, I'd buy it. The title track rubs me the wrong way, but overall, this is a good album that I frequently enjoy listening to (most of). Betsy NP #selfie - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:56:54 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: CMIARS/Shine Do you think on the production side that it made a difference that Joni was working with the Starbucks label and not Reprise on this album? She had fulfilled her contract with Reprise and was basically retired. I agree with Randy that it was great she was recording again ... and personally, although not the best of her late period, I really love a couple of songs on this disc, especially Hana (love it!!!), This Place, and If. I really love Shine too but mostly for the message ... I'm usually not a big fan of her cranky songs, but Shine has a meditative quality to it that sends me places. Bob, I had to laugh at your description, Andy Rooney put to music. Haha! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Betsy Blue Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:22 AM To: guitarzan05@gmail.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: CMIARS/Shine Randy: "If you locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me." I can never shake the feeling that she made Shine during a solo week in her BC place. It feels like a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. That said, Night of the Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano-based songs. If Joni released a whole album of just piano, I'd buy it. The title track rubs me the wrong way, but overall, this is a good album that I frequently enjoy listening to (most of). Betsy NP #selfie - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 11:32:44 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? Anne, A&M Studios, where Joni recorded most of her albums, was pretty basic in 1970. Your equipment may actually be more advanced than theirs, in certain repects. Dave On May 5, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > Great to see you in m in box, Lori! I'm still here, but mostly lurk these > days. I've been super busy recording a CD of my own music, but it means > Joni's been on my mind a lot lately. The CD whose sound I'm most trying > to capture is LOTC. We're getting closer (but limited somewhat because we > recorded in in our home studio. I have friends who were boasting about > using a $12,000 microphone in their recording. All our equipment and > instruments barely add up to more than that!) lots of love,Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 14:09:05 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: CMIARS Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based solely on it's impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in-mind. - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:28:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Winter in Florida NJC Kate Johnson wrote: they reported an unusually cold winter down in Florida, too.> If only Kate had changed that to SOUTH CAROLINA, I would have been happy to back her up. A long, lingering cold winter that just really ended about 2 weeks ago for good and moved right into summer. Temps this week ventured into the mid-90's. So much for spring. It's almost as if the climate is changing before our very eyes. Bob NP: Grateful Dead, "Althea" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:51:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Winter in Florida Kate Johnson wrote: they reported an unusually cold winter down in Florida, too. It's a lie; absolutely not true. We've had a warm and wonderful, if slightly more rainy than usual, winter and spring in Florida. Expect a fourth consecutive year of record-breaking numbers of tourists. The extra rain, though, is good for the citrus and other crops. My girlfriend came in February from Chicago, the first time we had seen each other since 1981 (when she told me she was going to marry someone else) to spend a week in Florida as we get to know each other again (after two divorces apiece and being out of touch with each other for 30 years) and help each other heal from some difficult times we've experienced in the past 18 months). While she was here we had the chamber of commerce weather I promised her for her visit. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 10:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Who's still here NJC Like! :-) Also, sometimes when I want to comment on something, I see that someone else has already said the same thing, so I don't. >________________________________ > From: "FMYFL@aol.com" >To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; anima_rising@yahoo.ca >Cc: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:11:06 PM >Subject: Re: Who's still here NJC > > > >I also agree. I just don't have the time to read a lot of the posts, and even less time to comment on them. For the record Lori, I'm still on the list since 1998. > >Jimmy > >In a message dated 5/8/2014 11:00:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > > >Agree. While this format seems old school now, it serves the purpose for >>more lengthy in-depth discussion. It would be nice if there was a "like" >>button though.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 08:08:03 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Damn, njc For all of you who are reading your email in your car as you're driving to work: http://youtu.be/30smAQOfusY Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:56:54 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: CMIARS/Shine Do you think on the production side that it made a difference that Joni was working with the Starbucks label and not Reprise on this album? She had fulfilled her contract with Reprise and was basically retired. I agree with Randy that it was great she was recording again ... and personally, although not the best of her late period, I really love a couple of songs on this disc, especially Hana (love it!!!), This Place, and If. I really love Shine too but mostly for the message ... I'm usually not a big fan of her cranky songs, but Shine has a meditative quality to it that sends me places. Bob, I had to laugh at your description, Andy Rooney put to music. Haha! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Betsy Blue Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:22 AM To: guitarzan05@gmail.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: CMIARS/Shine Randy: "If you locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me." I can never shake the feeling that she made Shine during a solo week in her BC place. It feels like a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. That said, Night of the Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano-based songs. If Joni released a whole album of just piano, I'd buy it. The title track rubs me the wrong way, but overall, this is a good album that I frequently enjoy listening to (most of). Betsy NP #selfie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 20:05:14 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: CMIARS/Shine Bob, it would be something like this: Chinese Cafe Moon at the Window Be Cool You're so Square Good Friends Three Great Stimulants Dog Eat Dog Beat of Black Wings Bird that Whistles Not the most even playlist, but they're the highlights for me I think. I might make that playlist and see how it appeals to me;) For the record, I agree completely about listening to an album I dig over a Joni-dud. I think I'll have to listen to Croz now! Garret NP - Joni, Chinese Cafe On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:38 PM, wrote: > Garret, what a fine fine post. > > So I'm curious...what tracks would your "1 good album" from the 80's be? > > As to this statement: better than most artist's > albums. What do people think?> > > Depends on how you define it, but generally speaking I'd MUCH rather > listen to a strong album by anyone over a weak album of Joni's. There are > moments of pleasure in all of her weaker albums but I'd always prefer > something I totally dig as opposed to something where I have to tolerate > the majority of it. > > Jack White producing Joni...what a fantasy. His work with Loretta Lynn was > stellar. I still say that Daniel Lanois could make a good record with > Joni. I've listened a LOT to Croz, the 2014 release from David Crosby. > This record SOUNDS great, the production is really segmented and clear. I > can't say why like Dave can, all I can say is that compared to Shine this > record sounds spectacular. Perhaps not a masterwork by Crosby but the > production goes such a long way to making something I want to hear as > opposed something to avoid. > > Bob > > NP: Loreena McKennitt, "The Mummers Dance" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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