From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #673 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 673 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Unrepentant Geraldines NJC [Betsy Blue ] Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: cmiars, s, and now ear [Laura Stanley ] Who's still here [Rob Procyk ] Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too [Randy Remote ] Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC [lawntreader@googlemail.com] Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC [lawntreader@googlemail.com] Re: Just curious ... Who's still here? now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: (NJC) JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: CMIARS [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe [lawntreader@googlemail] RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #646 [Mary ] Re: (NJC) JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Lori Renee Fye ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 13:28:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC Synchronicity strikes again...I heard this last night on the latest NPR All Songs Considered (a great podcast for expanding your musical mind). I liked it a lot, enough to make me curious about the album. They said it was the best thing she's done in 20 years. Before they made the Cezanne reference I was hoping it was a Joni one. Bob NP: The Audreys, "Oh Honey" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 09:48:41 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC New music recommendations were requested. Landmarks by Brian Blade is a good one, but I can't describe it. b16 Shades Of Blueb by Tori Amos I'm a sucker for any song that namedrops an artist (Cezanne). The production sounds awesome to my ears. Tori doesn't do vocal tricks or muddy the words this time. stereogum.com/1680094/tori-amos-16-shades-of-blue/mp3s/ Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 15:13:43 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC Geraldine sounds like an Irish name. The Magdalene Laundries were instigated to capture the 'wayward' girls and force them to repent by servitude. (speaking in very general terms). The "Unrepentant Geraldines" title sounds like a reference to someone who is in that situation but unwilling to 'repent' as it were. Does that make sense? Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 16:15:42 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: cmiars, s, and now ear Dave wrote: The listeners ear was thus bombarded with conflicting cues about imaging and localization of sounds. Hi Dave, Each listener's brainstem uses the efferent cochlear bundle to individualize external sound wave stimulation of the organ of Corti in the inner ear. Bombardment won't exist in the ear of the listener who is transported 'into' the music similar to how sound waves don't stimulate the inner ear of somebody talked to while in deep thought or day dreaming. The auditory pathway provides the potential to hear physiologically differently from one ear to the next or one time to the next for the same listener. One person's noise is another's music and sometimes a song sounds better than at other times based on variable parameters in the nervous system. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 23:10:42 -0600 From: Rob Procyk Subject: Who's still here Glad to see people responding to the "Who is Here" thread. I'm still here - 16 years now. I know I've rarely posted since about 2 children ago (I've got 4 kids now: 5, 8, 10, and, as of Sunday, 13), but I could never give up the list or you people. I haven't always kept up, but I cherish this place and the people I've become friends with here. I've been on other discussion lists, from Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks to Skinny Puppy, and the JMDL is the only place that feels like "home." Even though many of us are friends on Facebook and have lots of fun on there, I don't follow the Joni discussions on there, really. I love when I see JMDL emails in my inbox. This is the place for Joni discussions for me. So long story short, I'm still here. And as my fellow Saskatchewan comrade Kate stated, it's the shittiest Saskatchewan winter and spring I can remember, apart from my first Sask winter in 1981-82. I'd run like Joni too, if I could, although there's something about this place that just sticks to you in ways I could never explain. Thanks Lori for starting the thread. C'mon fellow lurkers, chime in! In keeping with old pseudonyms, "Evian" Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 14:23:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC Oh, and the album title sounds like a nod to The Magdalene Laundries as well. Thanks for sharing the quote. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 15:33:50 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too While I am not a big fan of any of Joni's post-WTRF albums, there are some things I like about Shine. First, that it came out at all, and second, that it is really the most "homemade" of any of her albums (since Blue, anyway). If you locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me. Is it real? Yeah. Randy Remote, still here and hours from Sacto On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > I won t add my feelings about the songs on Shine, but I would comment on > the production itself and second Bob s description of it as hollow and > cheesy. When it first came out I probably nagged about the same things, > but I couldn t understand Joni s choice of real vs sampled instrumentation, > lack of direction, not using the many top players at her disposal, etc. > Furthermore, she told interviewers that it was her best work to date, which > I realize IS a promotional tactic but, REALLY? > > I work with a lot of shoestring budget recording projects that have no > choice but to use sampled instruments in place of the real thing, and if > you research the stuff available now there are some very beautiful samples, > but on Shine Joni just used a few stock factory presets from her keyboard, > probably thrilled that you could have a saxophone sound at the push of a > button, and most embarrassing of all, a guitar strumming loop at the push > of another button (BYT), saving her from having to bust out an actual > guitar and learn how to play the strum - this from a guitarist admired by > Pat Metheny. She did have Brian Blade on it, and that was commendable > considering she might have used a drum loop from the same keyboard instead, > and she did have Bob Sheppard play saxophone, but didn t bother to have him > replace the fake saxophone she had herself sequenced. Her voice was what it > was by 2007 so I suppose it s not fair to comment on it, but perhaps it is > fair to ask why she felt like ! > she could still make a record, especially given that she had already > delivered her official swan song in 2000. I know some here dislike > Travelogue and Both Sides Now, but they were magnificent productions with > big budgets and classic values as records; quite the antithesis of Shine. > > > Since this thread began with CMIARS, it is apt to mention the production > of that one too. The eighties were a pretty bleak decade for records > (although some gems came out, to be sure) but on the whole it was a decade > of thin substance and massively over-applied varnish; Chalk Mark fits right > in there. There may have been some good songs underneath the varnish, and > we got to hear what DED s Impossible Dreamer sounded like with just voice > and piano, but the ear was led away from the melodies and lyrics by the > gloss, the competing reverbs, the overly layered vocal parts (although I > happen to dig My Secret Place). By the way, that bright gloss was the > result of an eighties studio box called the Aphex Aural Exciter type C, > which practically defined the decade s music. Also, in 1982 the first > Lexicon digital reverbs appeared and it suddenly became possible to design > any imaginable space for the first time. This also defined the music of the > eighties and you could have the drums in! > one aural space, the guitars in another and the vocals in yet another. > The listener s ear was thus bombarded with conflicting cues about imaging > and localization of sounds. It could be done tastefully (Tears for Fears > The Seeds of Love for example) or it could be done badly, as is the case > with CMIARS. > > It was going to be 2c but ended as my 95c worth - ah well. > > Dave > > > > >> On 7 May 2014, at 13:04, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > >> > >> >> anything for me.> > >> > >> I hear you Anne. I was really excited like everyone else to hear that > Joni > >> was coming out with new material, and there are a couple worthwhile > songs > >> on it (Strong & Wrong, Night Of The Iguana, If) but the production is > >> hollow and cheesy and many of the songs are grasping at straws - and > >> almost embarrassing to re-record one of her more popular songs - why?. > >> Once again her ego got in the way of what could have been a better > >> product. And I can't BEAR to hear the title track, it's like a 7-minute > >> long droning WHINE. Andy Rooney put to music. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 22:41:02 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC Got it now, I think, thanks Anita > On 7 May 2014, at 20:13, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Geraldine sounds like an Irish name. The Magdalene Laundries were instigated to capture the 'wayward' girls and force them to repent by servitude. (speaking in very general terms). > > The "Unrepentant Geraldines" title sounds like a reference to someone who is in that situation but unwilling to 'repent' as it were. Does that make sense? > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 19:38:34 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC Bob, not quite sure why the quote is Magdalene Laundries. Can you kindly expand? Anita x > On 7 May 2014, at 19:23, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Oh, and the album title sounds like a nod to The Magdalene Laundries as > well. Thanks for sharing the quote. > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 09:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Just curious ... Who's still here? now njc They probably hunt snowbirds in Florida. I know I would. On the other hand, snow GEESE are so damn cute! Why would anyone want to hunt them? >________________________________ > From: Kate Johnson >To: Kate Johnson >Cc: Laura Stanley ; "joni@smoe.org" ; Lori Fye >Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:34:22 AM >Subject: Re: Just curious ... Who's still here? > > >Whoops. Brain fart. Snowbirds are Canadians who go south for the winter. >Snow GEESE, I meant. > > >> the Americans are here to hunt snowbirds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 11:16:03 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Re: Unrepentant Geraldines NJC I've always been inspired by visual artists of all mediums because, as with Music, Art is not a job you can go to and leave from; but it is something that defines who and what you are. Visual artists shake up our brains and force us to look at everything, from objects we don't normally think twice about to people we might not have cared about. In one image they can remind us of Nature's power to enchant, as well as humankind's fruitless attempt to overpower her or simply second-guess her. Through the Visual Artist's application of tone, shape, pattern, and pigment I not only begin to see, but I can honestly say I begin to hear. --Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:17:49 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) JMDL Digest V2014 #667 > I can just recently walk AND chew gum Snicker. Lisa, we're glad to have you here! Welcome to the Crazy Zone. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 21:11:49 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: CMIARS > who can name a Joni album of new material that is worse than CMIARS? It may not be worse, but just as bad for me is Taming The Tiger. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 16:04:16 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: Re: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Must mean Thomas is not here, I guess > On 6 May 2014, at 15:29, Thomas wrote: > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _____________________________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 20:15:23 -0400 >> From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org >> To: joni-digest@smoe.org >> Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #661 >> >> >> JMDL Digest Monday, May 5 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 661 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> The Crickets [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 20:11:05 -0400 >> From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com >> Subject: The Crickets >> >> You described Buddy Holly's story. Are you sure about that? >> >>> The story about the crickets is that the cricket was an uninvited guest in >> the studio. Klein and Joni couldn't eradicate it so they made the best of >> it. Night Ride Home is a great record with some truly beautiful songs.> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #661 >> ***************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 10:32:44 -0700 From: Mary Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #646 I'm still here, though mostly reading GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 14:40:20 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #646 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, May 5 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 646 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Just curious ... who's still here? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 14:39:46 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? > > And speaking of new CD releases... > > Yet another Joni tribute CD is coming out in the coming week. Singer > Maggie Hollinbeck along with Graham Sobelman collaborated on a tribute to > Blue to celebrate its anniversary. They ran a kickstarter fundraiser to > which I contributed so I got a download of the album along with their > recording of "Conversation" as a bonus. > > "Another Shade Of Blue" has a release party this Sunday the 11th in > Sacramento, CA - Randy Remote territory, perhaps? > > Samples & details: http://www.maggiehollinbeck.com/events/ > > Bob > > NP: Mark Knopfler, "Sailing To Philadelphia" (I remember hearing Chris and > Les singing this one under the stars in the south of France - anyone else > remember?) > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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