From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #672 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 7 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 672 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Welcome Lisa! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #646 [Garret ] Best on the "Worst" [LC Stanley ] Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too [lawntreader@googlemail.com] Re: Just curious ... Who's still here? [Kate Johnson ] Re: (NJC) JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Michael Paz ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Lori Renee Fye ] CMIARS [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: Just curious ... Who's still here? [Laura Stanley Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #646 I'm still here too folks. I don't read every mail that comes through to be honest. I still enjoy a good Joni chat. I'm also still looking for music recommendations. Garret On 7 May 2014 02:03, "Jack Merkel" wrote: > Ha! I don't know about him, but the old Jack with the barely passable > voice is still here! > > Jack > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 6, 2014, at 1:03 PM, lawntreader@googlemail.com wrote: > > > > Where is young Jack with the amazing voice? Jack are you still around? > > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 05:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Best on the "Worst" Some of my favorite Joni songs are on these albums. B CMIARS: Tea Leaf Prophecy, The Beat of Black WingsB TTT: The Crazy Cries of Love DJRD: Talk to Me, Jericho, DJRD, The Silky Veils of Ardor Shine: This Place, If I Had a Heart, Strong and Wrong, Shine And you know there might be moreb& Before I joined this list, I only had a few Joni albums, mostly the more well known ones. My love and awe for Joni's music grew tremendously by the lurker albums. B Love, Laura B Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 23:20:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: CMIARS Paul asked: Seriously, I don't mean to make this too negative, but who can name a Joni album of new material that is worse than CMIARS? My response might make some wince. But, frankly, "Shine" didn't do anything for me. Add to that the fact that it was the last thing I gave Smurph (and it sort of defined that time), then I'd have to consider it my least favorite Joni album. lots of love,Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 07:49:59 +0100 (BST) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: CMIARS All, Regarding Taming the Tiger, it could be hybridised with The TigerB who came for Tea. see attached http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=323597127dd1adc1e3e1dcea2&id=b9bd360513&e =acb2e9e71e However, the young audience could find "Sex Kills" confusing. I knowB it is heretical,but I've never really liked most of DJRD. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 14:28:16 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too Shine is such a mixture. 'If' I find to be absolutely brilliant, Joni's guitar reminds me of her best, but there is a lot that a good producer would have dumped ( Dave?). I find the plinky keyboard sound particularly irritating. However, I find I have a soft spot in my heart for the album, probably because I never thought Joni would ever produce another series of songs. I like the movement from the 1968 romantic of STAS - the kings, the pirates - through to the keen observations of HoSL - onwards to the existential of 'Hejira ' - the middle age of WTRF - the ageing dilemmas like 'Facelift' - and, of course, everything in between and beyond. 'Shine' sounds like an older woman talking with her neighbours, loving the place she lives and blessing those 'seekers of mental health'. Not a brilliant album, perhaps, but I do experience a blessing when I hear it, Anita > On 7 May 2014, at 13:04, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > anything for me.> > > I hear you Anne. I was really excited like everyone else to hear that Joni > was coming out with new material, and there are a couple worthwhile songs > on it (Strong & Wrong, Night Of The Iguana, If) but the production is > hollow and cheesy and many of the songs are grasping at straws - and > almost embarrassing to re-record one of her more popular songs - why?. > Once again her ego got in the way of what could have been a better > product. And I can't BEAR to hear the title track, it's like a 7-minute > long droning WHINE. Andy Rooney put to music. > > It's a tossup between Shine and CMIARS for worst Joni record for me. TTT > on the other hand is a real gem in my opinion. > > Bob > > NP: The War On Drugs, "Disappearing" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 08:34:22 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Just curious ... Who's still here? Whoops. Brain fart. Snowbirds are Canadians who go south for the winter. Snow GEESE, I meant. Kate b?b 1b.b?b 1b.b?b 1b. Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com On 2014-05-06, at 6:26 PM, Kate Johnson wrote: > the Americans are here to hunt snowbirds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 08:04:29 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: CMIARS I hear you Anne. I was really excited like everyone else to hear that Joni was coming out with new material, and there are a couple worthwhile songs on it (Strong & Wrong, Night Of The Iguana, If) but the production is hollow and cheesy and many of the songs are grasping at straws - and almost embarrassing to re-record one of her more popular songs - why?. Once again her ego got in the way of what could have been a better product. And I can't BEAR to hear the title track, it's like a 7-minute long droning WHINE. Andy Rooney put to music. It's a tossup between Shine and CMIARS for worst Joni record for me. TTT on the other hand is a real gem in my opinion. Bob NP: The War On Drugs, "Disappearing" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 07:25:15 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too I wont add my feelings about the songs on Shine, but I would comment on the production itself and second Bobs description of it as hollow and cheesy. When it first came out I probably nagged about the same things, but I couldnt understand Jonis choice of real vs sampled instrumentation, lack of direction, not using the many top players at her disposal, etc. Furthermore, she told interviewers that it was her best work to date, which I realize IS a promotional tactic but, REALLY? I work with a lot of shoestring budget recording projects that have no choice but to use sampled instruments in place of the real thing, and if you research the stuff available now there are some very beautiful samples, but on Shine Joni just used a few stock factory presets from her keyboard, probably thrilled that you could have a saxophone sound at the push of a button, and most embarrassing of all, a guitar strumming loop at the push of another button (BYT), saving her from having to bust out an actual guitar and learn how to play the strum - this from a guitarist admired by Pat Metheny. She did have Brian Blade on it, and that was commendable considering she might have used a drum loop from the same keyboard instead, and she did have Bob Sheppard play saxophone, but didnt bother to have him replace the fake saxophone she had herself sequenced. Her voice was what it was by 2007 so I suppose its not fair to comment on it, but perhaps it is fair to ask why she felt like she could still make a record, especially given that she had already delivered her official swan song in 2000. I know some here dislike Travelogue and Both Sides Now, but they were magnificent productions with big budgets and classic values as records; quite the antithesis of Shine. Since this thread began with CMIARS, it is apt to mention the production of that one too. The eighties were a pretty bleak decade for records (although some gems came out, to be sure) but on the whole it was a decade of thin substance and massively over-applied varnish; Chalk Mark fits right in there. There may have been some good songs underneath the varnish, and we got to hear what DEDs Impossible Dreamer sounded like with just voice and piano, but the ear was led away from the melodies and lyrics by the gloss, the competing reverbs, the overly layered vocal parts (although I happen to dig My Secret Place). By the way, that bright gloss was the result of an eighties studio box called the Aphex Aural Exciter type C, which practically defined the decades music. Also, in 1982 the first Lexicon digital reverbs appeared and it suddenly became possible to design any imaginable space for the first time. This also defined the music of the eighties and you could have the drums in one aural space, the guitars in another and the vocals in yet another. The listeners ear was thus bombarded with conflicting cues about imaging and localization of sounds. It could be done tastefully (Tears for Fears The Seeds of Love for example) or it could be done badly, as is the case with CMIARS. It was going to be 2c but ended as my 95c worth - ah well. Dave >> On 7 May 2014, at 13:04, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> >> > anything for me.> >> >> I hear you Anne. I was really excited like everyone else to hear that Joni >> was coming out with new material, and there are a couple worthwhile songs >> on it (Strong & Wrong, Night Of The Iguana, If) but the production is >> hollow and cheesy and many of the songs are grasping at straws - and >> almost embarrassing to re-record one of her more popular songs - why?. >> Once again her ego got in the way of what could have been a better >> product. And I can't BEAR to hear the title track, it's like a 7-minute >> long droning WHINE. Andy Rooney put to music. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:16:51 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) JMDL Digest V2014 #667 Hey Paz, how's your cover of "Dueling Banjos" coming along? ;-) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:05:10 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 Apparently I'm terrified and cannot compose a correct sentence. Sheesh. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:17:35 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 Welcome Lisa be vewy vewy afwaid Best Paz in New Orleans (still here after all these years 1998) On May 6, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Lisa Caswell wrote: Hi I am new to the site. Just joined a few days ago. Yes, it is pretty frightening. Lisa. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:03:55 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 > I am new to the site. Just joined a few days ago. > Yes, it is pretty frightening. Hi Lisa, and welcome! Pay no attention to Paz, and don't frightened. We don't bite (too hard). :-) (Kidding. DO pay attention to Paz, although not about being afwaid.) Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 21:21:11 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: CMIARS I agree with Anne. There's nothing wrong with the word "favorite". If CMIARS is your favorite, no one say that you have misused a word. But if you say that CMIARS is "non-existent" or a "masterwork", you can plan on hearing a rebuttal. I'm glad to hear other points of view though. Jim Np: episode 3 of Ann Druyan's take on "Cosmos", called "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" at full volume on the big rig. Anne Sandstrom, JMDL's living miracle said, > I'd have to agree that I don't think CMIARS qualifies as a masterwork> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 20:37:44 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Just curious ... Who's still here? So very good to hear how you are in Saskatchewan Kate!!! Sad about the birds being hunted, but I have heard how their overpopulation has cause damage to the land. Do you know why they are overpopulated? I am wondering if it might be caused by the rice fields in Arkansas where they roost for the winter. I have seen the sky full here too. Unbelievable! I hear them singing as they flying at night over my house. They are a beautiful sound, gentle in the distance. You will have a lovely Spring before you know it. Ours is turning to summer now with temperatures in the low 90's F already. I don't do well in the heat. Wow speaking of heat.. I'm watching a show on Animal Planet, and they just said 6000 years ago the earth's orbit changed slightly and the Sahara Desert formed. We really have no clue about what this ball we are traveling on will do next. Hopefully, human life can adapt... it already has in ways we might never know. "Particles of change orbiting around the sun." I hope and dream of traveling East to West across Canada with my girlfriend who wants to do the same someday. And there is always the possibility of heading north when we visit my AA sponsor in Bismark, ND, which will be sooner than the big tour. I love traveling, traveling, traveling. Back to work for me. Thanks for the visuals and dreams of the great white north. Soon you'll be enjoying perfect weather, and we'll be roasting, Please, keep in touch. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Kate Johnson wrote: > > >> On 2014-05-05, at 6:22 PM, Laura Stanley wrote: >> >> Salut Kate!!! I think Lori posed the original question. How's the great white >> north? Glad you are here! > > Right back atcha, Laura! > It is ridiculously cold here in Saskatchewan, what can I say. We are all whining and wondering if it's ever going to end. It's still snow-cold, is what I'm telling you. > I had a chat with a couple American hunters today in the aisle of the grocery store in town, and while they were shocked at the temperature, they reported an unusually cold winter down in Florida too. > All the migratory birds (the Americans are here to hunt snowbirds; we have flocks of them so large that the whole sky as far as you can see is filled with them; they don't call Saskatchewan the "land of living skies" for nothing; and yes, hunting in the spring is permitted; I enquired) seem to be back, and the frogs are a-croakin' in the slough behind my yard, so ... it must be spring. It just doesn't seem like it. > No wonder Joni moved to California and also built on Vancouver Island. > Not that I would, even if I could afford it, but I know many who would think that the life o' Riley. > If this keeps up I might change my mind, though. > > Otherwise, you won't see me posting much to the list, but I do try to read as often as I can. Don't wanna miss the next Joni news! > > Kate (of the North) > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #672 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------