From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #668 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 6 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 668 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- My Old Man - Afternoon Delight [Laura O ] Re: CMIARS a masterwork? [Mariana Intagliata ] CMIARS [Paul Ivice ] Replying to the list (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Here [Michael Sentance ] Re: CMIARS a masterwork? [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #646 [lawntreader@googlemail.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #666 [BarbaRent7@aol.com] Re: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.c] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #666 [Laura Stanley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 16:14:38 -0500 From: Laura O Subject: My Old Man - Afternoon Delight Ran across this. Nice sound/cover of My Old Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3zpqiRbl4g#t=78 Covered by CC Trubiak and Mark Kolt (piano) Enjoy! Laura ******FREEBIE*********** Pumpkin Seed Snack (yum) http://superseedz.com/index.php/snack-exchange ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:04:49 -0300 From: Mariana Intagliata Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? I think she has a more textural approach to composition in this record. Eventhough it's not my favourite Joni album, I've always loved CMIARS, maybe because I grew up in the eighties and that sound is very dear to me, or maybe because it's a different Joni and I love being surprised by an artist. I think it is important to differentiate between a judgement of taste, and a judgement based on knowledge. You may not like CMIARS, or you may not enjoy it, but that would not make it a failure as a work of art. Mariana 2014-05-05 12:56 GMT-03:00 Anne Sandstrom : > I'd have to agree that I don't think CMIARS qualifies as a masterwork. > But after singing in a choir for a couple of years (and doing some pretty > intricate pieces), I'd say that CMIARS is a singular work in Joni's > catalog. The songs seem to be meant more for a number of voices, not one > voice. It's almost jarring when it gets to "A Bird That Whistles" because > there is one well defined melodic thread, rather than vocal parts that > fit together to form a whole. I've never really read anything on how Joni > composed the songs. I'd always assumed she took a very different > approach. I wouldn't be surprised if she recorded vocal parts in layers > as she wrote them. But that's just a complete guess. Does anybody know? > lots > of love,Anne on May 05, 2014, David J. Phillips > wrote: > > My online dictionary says "In modern English the word is usually > reserved for the best piece of work of a particular creative artist > or > craftsman." If we go with that definition, I can't imagine that > CMiaRS > qualifies. > > djp, following up his own post, for god's sake. > > On 05/05/14 09:1727, David J. Phillips wrote: > > Just to be pedantic, isn't (or wasn't) a masterwork the single > piece > > that proved one was no longer an apprentice (and, in another system > of > > craft production, could set up shop on one's own, and take on > apprentices)? > > > > So perhaps Song to a Seagull is Mitchell's masterwork, or Court and > > Spark. Certainly nothing later. > > > > djp > > > > > > On 05/05/14 08:5018, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > >> I just don't think it's fair to label something as a masterwork > 'just > >> because' one says so. > >> > >> You can refer to Citizen Kane, Rhapsody In Blue, The Mona Lisa, > Gone With > >> The Wind, The Sistine Chapel, To Kill A Mockingbird as masterworks > and > >> nobody would bat an eye because they are recognized as such over > time. I > >> think it dilutes the meaning of the word to put CMIARS in that > category. > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> NP: Sinead O'Connor, "Nothing Compares To You" > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Jamie Zubairi Home > >> To: ingrid lochrenberg, > >> Cc: Joni JMDL > >> Date: 05/05/2014 08:32 AM > >> Subject: Re: CMIARS > >> Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > >> > >> > >> > >> Or even "the work of a master" > >> On 5 May 2014 13:13, "ingrid lochrenberg" > wrote: > >> > >>> Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based > solely on > >> it's > >>> impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in-mind. > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person > >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, > >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > >> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > >> > >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 17:43:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: CMIARS From: Anne Sandstrom > Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? > > I'd have to agree that I don't think CMIARS qualifies as a masterwork. But after singing in a choir for a couple of years (and doing some pretty intricate pieces), I'd say that CMIARS is a singular work in Joni's catalog. I know many of you think Joni has never put out a bad album, but if you were all asked which of her albums was your least favorite or her worst, I'm guessing CMIARS would be strongly represented in that poll. It was not just a joke when I said earlier that CMIARS is aptly named, because for me there is not a memorable song on the entire album (except Bob M. might note that Dancin' Clown is memorable in a notorious sort of way). Seriously, I don't mean to make this too negative, but who can name a Joni album of new material that is worse than CMIARS? Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 17:57:25 -0400 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Replying to the list (NJC) Susan wrote: > So it looks pretty easy, just hit "reply" and I am in! Hi Susan and welcome to the list! As the resident grouchy old neighbor I need to point out that you do not "just" hit reply - if you do that you copy the entire digest back to the digest - not so bad if the digest is just one message, but if it contains multiple messages it creates a real mess, and makes the digests basically unreadable. So edit out of your reply the stuff that doesn't need to be there, and just leave the stuff you are commenting on, like I did above. Having said that, I look forward to reading more of your posts. Thanks, and all the best! *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 17:34:32 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Here I used to be here but I'm finding myself there many days. I read JMDL religiously first thing in the morning. I still love learning about her and her music especially from those far more knowledgeable than me. As I have said at other times, it is sometimes like sitting in a graduate course when you're still in high school. And I'm still hoping that Croz or someone convinces her to go to the studio once more. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 13:49:11 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? > I've never really read anything on how Joni composed the songs. My best guess would be: In a hurry. ;-) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:03:33 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #646 Where is young Jack with the amazing voice? Jack are you still around? Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 11:21:43 -0400 (EDT) From: BarbaRent7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #666 I agree with you, Janine that Joni is beyond genius! But even if she quit smoking after 10 yrs she could still get lung cancer so if she doesn't have it now, she may never be affected by it. I used to like the turkish blend, myself, Ramisis II before i quit due to asthma. I also bought LOTC as my 1st record in '72 and had that Taylor record. All Things Must Pass, etc. I now have over 2,000 records but the player no longer works from my many moves. I just hold each album and can hear it clearly inside my head now, I played them so much. I only saw her in concert once though, in a concert in Normal, Illinois.It was by U of I, Champagne-Urbana. Joni is such a treasure. Long live JMDL! Calamity Babs of So CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 12:59:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe NJC I'm glad Lori's post brought out oldies, newbies and lurkers alike.> Me too - you can always count on Ms. Lori to be a $hit-disturber, and I mean that in the best way. Bob NP: Stanley Turrentine, "I Want A Little Girl" (how's that for a creepy song title?) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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[Anne Sandstrom ] > Re: The Crickets [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe [Thomas RE: You turn me on I'm a Radio, the link [LC Stanley Re: fantasy albums [Anita G ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 06:15:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: janine sherman > Subject: Still Standing > > > May 5 at 10:18 PM > > Janine from Gettysburg, PA - grew up in Northeast > OH. Still here reading what jmdl is sending out. LOTC was my 1st vinyl Joni LP > which I played endlessly swapping out only for Sweet Baby James occasionally > ('70) Own her catalog and then some . I have seen Joni live only twice- once > in 1972 (right after her self-imposed exile to BC) in Cleveland stumping for > McGovern alongside JT and Paul Simon and ,second, in 2001 sitting right > behind HER and next to FL Jimmy in Toronto at the Homage. She is beyond > genius in my book. Just wish she'd give up the smokes! > Some of her songs are > otherworldly to me; impossible to fully digest because they might end me- > their intensity strikes at my core like none other. > > Thanks for the more than > 144 characters. > > Janine > > With Heart, Humor, and Humility that lightens my > heavy load. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:56:36 +0000 (UTC) > From: Anne Sandstrom > Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? > > I'd have to agree that I don't think CMIARS qualifies as a masterwork. > But after singing in a choir for a couple of years (and doing some pretty > intricate pieces), I'd say that CMIARS is a singular work in Joni's > catalog. The songs seem to be meant more for a number of voices, not one > voice. It's almost jarring when it gets to "A Bird That Whistles" because > there is one well defined melodic thread, rather than vocal parts that > fit together to form a whole. I've never really read anything on how Joni > composed the songs. I'd always assumed she took a very different > approach. I wouldn't be surprised if she recorded vocal parts in layers > as she wrote them. But that's just a complete guess. Does anybody know? lots > of love,Anne on May 05, 2014, David J. Phillips > wrote: > > My online dictionary says "In modern English the word is usually > reserved for the best piece of work of a particular creative artist > or > craftsman." If we go with that definition, I can't imagine that > CMiaRS > qualifies. > > djp, following up his own post, for god's sake. > >> On 05/05/14 09:1727, David J. Phillips wrote: >> Just to be pedantic, isn't (or wasn't) a masterwork the single > piece >> that proved one was no longer an apprentice (and, in another system > of >> craft production, could set up shop on one's own, and take on > apprentices)? >> >> So perhaps Song to a Seagull is Mitchell's masterwork, or Court and >> Spark. Certainly nothing later. >> >> djp >> >> >>> On 05/05/14 08:5018, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >>> I just don't think it's fair to label something as a masterwork > 'just >>> because' one says so. >>> >>> You can refer to Citizen Kane, Rhapsody In Blue, The Mona Lisa, > Gone With >>> The Wind, The Sistine Chapel, To Kill A Mockingbird as masterworks > and >>> nobody would bat an eye because they are recognized as such over > time. I >>> think it dilutes the meaning of the word to put CMIARS in that > category. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> NP: Sinead O'Connor, "Nothing Compares To You" >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Jamie Zubairi Home >>> To: ingrid lochrenberg, >>> Cc: Joni JMDL >>> Date: 05/05/2014 08:32 AM >>> Subject: Re: CMIARS >>> Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org >>> >>> >>> >>> Or even "the work of a master" >>> On 5 May 2014 13:13, "ingrid lochrenberg" > wrote: >>> >>>> Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based > solely on >>> it's >>>> impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in-mind. >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >>> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >>> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >>> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >>> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, >>> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >>> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >>> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >>> >>> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >>> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 08:23:37 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: The Crickets > > From the extensive and ever-burgeoning JMDL library: > > a musical picture of a magical evening. An uncredited addition to the song > is a very musical cricket. > > JM: It's a charming, friendly sound, and he sat behind the curtain for > several nights. You know, we couldn't really catch him. We left the door > open and thought, well, he'll find his way out again, but it's a welcome > guest as a bug (laughs.) > > > Excerpt from an interview she did to promote NRH. > > Bob > > NP: Gene Wooten, "Day Tripper" > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Are you sure about that? >> >>> The story about the crickets is that the cricket was an uninvited guest in >> the studio. Klein and Joni couldn't eradicate it so they made the best of >> it. Night Ride Home is a great record with some truly beautiful songs.> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #661 >> ***************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 05:17:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: LC Stanley > Subject: RE: You turn me on I'm a Radio, the link > > Joni Mitchel - You Turn Me On I'm A Radio > > > Joni Mitchel - You Turn Me On > I'm A Radio > View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo > > The best part got > left off. Dig it. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4GqB1t4PBA > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 14:40:26 +0100 > From: Anita G > Subject: Re: fantasy albums > > Bob, I just heard a previously unreleased Jacko track, so you never know! > Anita > > >> On 2 May 2014 14:31, Bob Muller wrote: >> >> That's a great fantasy album, Betsy - no small coincidence that ALL of >> those unreleased songs have been covered. >> >> Of course, the REAL fantasy would be a rarities/unreleased box set, but I >> guess we will never see it. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Damon Albarn, "Heavy Seas Of Love" >> *From:* Betsy Blue >> *To:* joni@smoe.org >> *Cc:* Anita G ; Susan E. McNamara < >> sem8@cornell.edu>; Mark ; Bob.Muller@fluor.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:55 AM >> *Subject:* fantasy albums >> >> Bob et al., >> >> I would have preferred Eastern Rain to PoP on STAS. But there are enough >> good (what I consider folk) songs to fill another album. So maybe Gift of >> the Magi could replace Night in the City. Cactus Tree would be the new >> single. >> >> NitC, along with Born to Take the Highway (single), Just Like Me, Day After >> Day, Blue on Blue, Play Little David, Come to the Sunshine, Brandy Eyes, >> Carnival in Kenora, The Way It Is, and Hunter would be my fantasy album. >> >> Of course, I have just ruined the concept of STAS in addition to creating a >> less than spectacular album. No doubt most of you could do better. >> >> Betsy >> >>> On May 1, 2014 7:02 AM, wrote: >>> >>> Pirates of Penance is an amazing feat of singing ... When I hear the >> luscious songs she left behind to include PoP, I still see it as an error >> on her part. >>> >>> Bob > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #666 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #668 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------