From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #441 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 18 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 441 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni parody on CBC now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tori Anos [Paul ] Re: Tori Anos [Sally ] Re: Tori Amos, not Anos [Catherine McKay ] Tori Anos [Paul ] Re: Retro Joni Covers - March Madness NJC [Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni parody on CBC now njc I'm sure younger Canadians aren't any more familiar with Joni than younger USAians. If you listen to radio (does anyone do that anymore? apparently yes), then you will likely hear the same top 40 stuff you hear anywhere else. I'm sure the Irrelevant Show, along with a lot of CBC, is aimed at older people and probably more educated people as well. Canadian businesses have started with the Black Friday thing as a result of trying to keep up with cross-border shopping and so on. The consumerism is rampant here. I absolutely detest shopping, but the malls here are always full and people always seem to have enough money, or enough credit, to buy things. I think Boxing Day is an opportunity for the shops to get rid of stuff they couldn't sell before Christmas and for kids to spend the money they got at Christmas. >________________________________ > From: Betsy Blue >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:04:09 PM >Subject: Joni parody on CBC > > >I felt like it was a little lost in translation. Do regular Canadians >actually know about Joni Mitchell like American musicians and former >hippies do? (Do not be offended by my gross generalizations.) > >... > >Canadians, when do you start your Christmas shopping? Do you have a Black >Friday in mid-October? Is it bigger or smaller than Boxing Day? What about >everyone else? I LOVE shopping and consumerism in general, but I'm also >curious about other cultures. > >Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 06:52:30 -0400 From: Paul Subject: Re: Tori Anos I was going by what Madonna herself said, that she wore out Court&Spark playing it in high school, and though it is true Tori has covered Joni, several published sources and my own ear say she owes more to Laura Nyro for her style than she does to Joni. Paul Ivice Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Sally wrote: >Madonna??? :0 I'm not seeing that. As far as who Joni has directly influenced, it might be a better idea to consider who she 'stimulated' and in that regard, the list is endless. Tori covers Joni regularly. I've read countless women who mention her as an influence, Stevie Nicks comes to mind immediately. I think it's vast. I have always imagined all of the artists that we think of as brilliant, spinning the latest Joni release and being blown away by it. It's like Dylan...frankly who has his music not touched and changed. I think Joni is the same...pivotal, essential, definitive. > >Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > >> On Mar 18, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Paul wrote: >> >> Joe wrote that the satire piece sounded more like Tori Amos than Joni, but if it's more Tori than Joni, it is really more Laura Nyro than Joni. >> Laura Nyro had more success as a songwriter for other singers than did Joni, who had more success than Laura as a performer. >> However, it may be a tossup as to which of them has a longer or more successful line of female singers songwriters they influenced. >> Laura's line includes Amos, Fiona Apple, Rickie Lee Jones and, according to some reports, Nora Jones among others. >> Other than Madonna, who else would be in Joni's line? >> >> Paul Ivice >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 04:08:49 -0400 From: Sally Subject: Re: Tori Anos Madonna??? :0 I'm not seeing that. As far as who Joni has directly influenced, it might be a better idea to consider who she 'stimulated' and in that regard, the list is endless. Tori covers Joni regularly. I've read countless women who mention her as an influence, Stevie Nicks comes to mind immediately. I think it's vast. I have always imagined all of the artists that we think of as brilliant, spinning the latest Joni release and being blown away by it. It's like Dylan...frankly who has his music not touched and changed. I think Joni is the same...pivotal, essential, definitive. Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > On Mar 18, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Paul wrote: > > Joe wrote that the satire piece sounded more like Tori Amos than Joni, but if it's more Tori than Joni, it is really more Laura Nyro than Joni. > Laura Nyro had more success as a songwriter for other singers than did Joni, who had more success than Laura as a performer. > However, it may be a tossup as to which of them has a longer or more successful line of female singers songwriters they influenced. > Laura's line includes Amos, Fiona Apple, Rickie Lee Jones and, according to some reports, Nora Jones among others. > Other than Madonna, who else would be in Joni's line? > > Paul Ivice > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tori Amos, not Anos Next thing you know, we'll be calling her Tori Anus! Let's see if Muller's work email allows this one through. As far as influences, I think it's all part of that chick-with-guitar vs chick-with-piano thing. If you're a woman and you play guitar, you're "another Joni Mitchell" and, as we all know, Joni is possibly another Kitty Wells. I've heard Tori Amos compared to Kate Bush as well. I've also read that Madonna is a Joni fan. As far as who influenced whom, it's hard not to be influenced by someone, but hard to be as good as some of them. Joni is both a guitarist and a pianist. I've never seen Madonna play an instrument, but then, I'm not a big fan of hers and have never seen her live. I don't even know if she writes her own songs but I suppose she must. >________________________________ > From: Paul >To: Sally ; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:52:30 AM >Subject: Re: Tori Anos > > >I was going by what Madonna herself said, that she wore out Court&Spark playing it in high school, and though it is true Tori has covered Joni, several published sources and my own ear say she owes more to Laura Nyro for her style than she does to Joni. >Paul Ivice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:49:48 -0400 From: Paul Subject: Tori Anos Joe wrote that the satire piece sounded more like Tori Amos than Joni, but if it's more Tori than Joni, it is really more Laura Nyro than Joni. Laura Nyro had more success as a songwriter for other singers than did Joni, who had more success than Laura as a performer. However, it may be a tossup as to which of them has a longer or more successful line of female singers songwriters they influenced. Laura's line includes Amos, Fiona Apple, Rickie Lee Jones and, according to some reports, Nora Jones among others. Other than Madonna, who else would be in Joni's line? Paul Ivice Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 08:45:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Retro Joni Covers - March Madness NJC ________________________________ My great pleasure to do so Dave - thanks to YOU for sharing it with me and US. Bob NP: Wake Owl, "Buffalo" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #441 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------