From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #420 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 13 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 420 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Neil Young Pono (njc) [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Neil Young Pono (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Neil Young Pono (njc) ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] Re: Paprika Plains ["Randy Remote" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #415 [Laurie Antonioli ] Paprika Plains [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 06:13:24 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Neil Young Pono (njc) Jussi, You make an excellent point about the loudness war. Mastering practices will have to change for high resolution audio to be enjoyed properly, or it is just assault with a different tank. On the improvement side of the equation, the CD spec is now 30+ years old, longer than cassettes, but during that time the quality of Digital to Analog converters (and A to D at the front end of the recording) have become hugely improved. Todays CDs sound far better than a CD released in 1987 (for example). Their reputation for brittleness and coldness largely is a hangover from that time. I welcome the PONO of course, although it it the latest in a long line of attempts to bring high res digital audio to the people, who, by and large, have ignored it. There was one blindfold test conducted a few years ago playing the same piece of music to listeners (maybe young ones) in mp3 and ultra hidef. Asked which they preferred, a majority picked mp3 as it was so familiar to their ears. The visual equivalent, Blu-Ray, has had much less trouble being accepted. Dave (enjoying the topic) On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:19 PM, Jussi Pukkila wrote: > What's the big deal with "Pono" - they're talking about FLAC which has been around forever. To me it sounds like when Young says CD's and mp3's hurts his ears, he's talking about loudness war, not mp3 vs. uncompressed (CD/WAV/vinyl). What's with the gazillion stars in the video, what am I missing? > > 12.3.2014 21:35, Betsy Blue kirjoitti: >> Neil is pretty funny. Public radio funny, but there's a lot of the DGAF >> attitude he shares with our Joan. Interesting history for aspiring sound >> geeks. >> >> Hear Neil Young Explain His Pono Music Player At SXSW : All Songs >> Considered : NPR >> http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2014/03/12/289435279/hear-neil-young-explain-his-pono-music-player-at-sxsw >> > > > --- > avast! Antivirus kdynnissd, joten tdssd sdhkvpostiviestissd ei ole viruksia tai haittaohjelmia. > http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 04:50:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Neil Young Pono (njc) Thank you, Johnny! Blame it on my crappy eyesight or just on my sick mind, but that's how I've been reading it all along. And there have been numerous jokes, cartoons and spoofs on the CRTC's request to make Canadian porno TV channels at least 30% Canadian. >________________________________ > From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >To: juspuk@gmail.com; joni >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:08:17 AM >Subject: Re: Neil Young Pono (njc) > > >All, > >Shouldn't the details of Neil's Porno collection be kept as a >private matter just for himself:-) > >Is he getting some flack from 3 >Canadian MPs about it,and is it that that is hurting his ears? > >John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 08:08:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: Neil Young Pono (njc) All, Shouldn't the details of Neil's Porno collection be kept as a private matter just for himself:-) Is he getting some flack from 3 Canadian MPs about it,and is it that that is hurting his ears? John >----Original Message---- >From: juspuk@gmail.com >Date: 13/03/2014 05: 19 >To: "joni" >Subj: Re: Neil Young Pono (njc) > >What's the big deal with "Pono" - they're talking about FLAC which has >been around forever. To me it sounds like when Young says CD's and >mp3's hurts his ears, he's talking about loudness war, not mp3 vs. >uncompressed (CD/WAV/vinyl). What's with the gazillion stars in the >video, what am I missing? > >12.3.2014 21:35, Betsy Blue kirjoitti: >> Neil is pretty funny. Public radio funny, but there's a lot of the DGAF >> attitude he shares with our Joan. Interesting history for aspiring sound >> geeks. >> >> Hear Neil Young Explain His Pono Music Player At SXSW : All Songs >> Considered : NPR >> http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2014/03/12/289435279/hear-neil-young-explain-his-pono-music-player-at-sxsw >> > > >--- >avast! Antivirus kdynnissd, joten tdssd sdhkvpostiviestissd ei ole viruksia tai haittaohjelmia. >http://www.avast.com> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:59:16 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Where was C&S recorded? Jim, I have pondered that myself. As far as I know, once she started working with Henry Lewy, they always recorded at A&M (now called Henson) until she met Klein and they built The Kiva studio in their home in Malibu. A&M had, I think, three studios within it, so its possible that FTR and C&S were recorded on different consoles, but my reading indicates that Henry always recorded her with a standard Neumann U87 into the custom made Haeco console's preamps. The albums with mid-range-y and slightly harsh vocals are C&S, THOSL and DJRD, whereas FTR, Hejira, Blue and Mingus dont. I have assumed that perhaps the albums with possible singles more likely to get airplay were mixed with more mids and less top and bottom (like early Beatles records) so as to sound good on transistor radios and on average systems (they do - if Help Me comes on the radio in the supermarket today, it sounds fantastic) In hi-fi terms, Blue and FTR are softer on the ear and rounder in tone; more intimate. Maybe Joni asked for that, maybe Henry instinctively went for that. Maybe it was a compressor/eq combination that put her voice out front over the louder kind of rhythm track that the L.A Express played, which was not needed on the albums with mellower instrumentation. Thats very possible. Theres a web forum called gearslutz.com where all these recording techie things are discussed and there have been postings about Jonis recordings and about the A&M studios themselves. Dave On Mar 12, 2014, at 7:00 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > Why is Joni's voice steely and strident on Court And Spark (the whole album)? > > It doesn't sound like that on FTR (the album). > > Do we know when she started releasing tracks that she recorded at home? > > I know that Larry and Thomas Dolby had replaced Henry as engineers on DED, but what about the other records? > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 16:45:59 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Paprika Plains Awesome-! Congratulations, you'se guys! A monumental labor of love! RR > It is done. A transcriber's odyssey has been completed. > The full score, in 11x17 format > http://jonimitchell.com/music/transcription.cfm?id=506 > and a piano-vocal chart in 8.5x11 > http://jonimitchell.com/music/transcription.cfm?id=507 > is put up on the website today for all to peruse and study. We hope Joni researchers and historians will find this undertaking useful as well as musicians wanting to learn the piece.> cheers, > Dave Blackburn (and Michael Dunn) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:16:18 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #415 Just submitted Joni's name here: http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/specialevents/honors/?confirm=1 A travesty she hasn't been honored yet. Let's go for it!!!!! Laurie On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:38 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 11 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 415 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Submit a Kennedy Center Honors Recommendation for 2014 [Michael Paz > <] > Submit a Kennedy Center Honors Recommendation for 2014 [Laura O > New Video added to Library: Remarks by President Obama > [est86mlm@ameritec] > Re: Free Darling ["Pat Boland" < > pat@chelu.com>] > Graham Nash On Joni Mitchell Video [Laura O < > aptakisic101@gmail.com>] > Re: Sad and beautiful Kathleen Edwards [Anita < > lawntreader@googlemail.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:25:47 -0500 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: Submit a Kennedy Center Honors Recommendation for 2014 > > I'm in! > > > > > > > On Mar 11, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Laura O wrote: > > Just came across this form: > > "The Kennedy Center Honors provide recognition to living individuals who > throughout their lifetimes have made significant contributions to American > culture through the performing arts. > The primary criterion is excellence, and artistic achievement in dance, > music, > theater, opera, motion pictures, and television is considered." > > "Recommendations are now being accepted for the 2014 Kennedy Center Honors. > Please use the fields below to submit a recommendation." > > I recommended Joni here: > http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/specialevents/honors/?confirm=1 > > Also received a follow-up email that stated: > "Your recommendation will be sent to the Special Honors Advisory Committee. > All eligible names will be reviewed by the committee." > > I completely forgot to mention Joni's DANCE (ballet) contribution! Argh > > Laura > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:20:12 -0500 > From: Laura O > Subject: Submit a Kennedy Center Honors Recommendation for 2014 > > Just came across this form: > > "The Kennedy Center Honors provide recognition to living individuals who > throughout their lifetimes have made significant contributions to > American culture through the performing arts. > The primary criterion is excellence, and artistic achievement in dance, > music, theater, opera, motion pictures, and television is considered." > > "Recommendations are now being accepted for the 2014 Kennedy Center > Honors. Please use the fields below to submit a recommendation." > > I recommended Joni here: > http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/specialevents/honors/?confirm=1 > > Also received a follow-up email that stated: > "Your recommendation will be sent to the Special Honors Advisory > Committee. All eligible names will be reviewed by the committee." > > I completely forgot to mention Joni's DANCE (ballet) contribution! Argh > > Laura > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:42:25 -0600 (MDT) > From: est86mlm@ameritech.net > Subject: New Video added to Library: Remarks by President Obama > > Title: Remarks by President Obama Kennedy Center Honors Reception > 2013-12-8 > > President Barack Obama mentions Joni while addressing Honoree Herbie > Hancock. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=375 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 00:37:46 +1000 > From: "Pat Boland" > Subject: Re: Free Darling > > Thank you kindly Joey! I sure wish I could get a listen of that tape. The > Living End was a Detroit club where Joni played quite a lot.

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"Hi Pat, "Free Darling" in a > 67 Song in an upbeat style similar to both "Chelsea Morning" > & "Dr.Junk, the Dentist Man". I heard it on a November 5, > 1967 recording from the Living End Club in Detroit." > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:25:40 -0500 > From: Laura O > Subject: Graham Nash On Joni Mitchell Video > > Thanks Mark > > FYI for anyone trying to access a video: the direct link can always be > accessed by clicking on > the YouTube words & logo on the bottom right of the black video screen > which will have the > words 'Watch On YouTube .com' when scrolled over, as well as clicking on > the words 'Watch on > YouTube' in the middle of the screen, when a video is disabled by request > by the original > YouTube poster. > > Sometimes the original YouTube poster doesn't allow a video to be seen, or > embedded on another website, and haven't figured out how to realize this > is the case > until posting to the JM website. > > Laura > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 14:09:36 -0700 > From: "Mark" > Subject: Re: New Video added to Library: Interview: Graham Nash On Joni > Mitchell > > YouTube seems to have put the kibosh on the website's link. Here is a > direct link to YouTube. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyUltYniAOM > > - - -----Original Message----- > From:est86mlm@ameritech.net > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 1:22 PM > To:joni@smoe.org > Subject: New Video added to Library: Interview: Graham Nash On Joni > Mitchell > > Title: Interview: Graham Nash On Joni Mitchell The Hudson Union SocietyB. > 2013-9-27 > > Promoting his new autobiography, Wild Tales: A Rock & Roll Life, > Graham Nash speaks at the Hudson Union SocietyB. in New York City.

> > Graham shares stories about meeting Joni, his song Our House and > Joni > missing Woodstock. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=374 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 16:42:01 +0000 > From: Anita > Subject: Re: Sad and beautiful Kathleen Edwards > > > think she would have wowed the audience more with a deeper cut. > > Should have had you then, Sue :-) > Neat x > > > > > > > > Susan Tierney McNamara > > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 8:08 AM > > To: Jim L'Hommedieu > > Cc: JMDL > > Subject: Re: Sad and beautiful Kathleen Edwards, njc > > > > Count me in as a fan; like Richard I got on board with her early stuff > and have kept up. Her voice is perfectly suited to her melancholy melodies. > > She's a tremendous lyricist as well. Nothing about her I don't like. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Elvis Costello & The Roots, "Stick Out Your Tongue" > > > > > > > > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > > To: JMDL , > > Date: 03/06/2014 09:48 PM > > Subject: Sad and beautiful Kathleen Edwards, njc > > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > > > > > I've been listening to Kathleen Edwards on Pandora1. She has one of > those sad/beautiful/fragile voices like Emmylou, Patty Griffin, Lucinda > Williams, or Julie Miller. > > > > I also listen to our own Patti Witten on Pandora1 too. > > > > Jim L. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential > and/or privileged material. > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, > reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is > prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and > delete the material from any computer. > > > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender > and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #415 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:47:22 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Paprika Plains It is done. A transcriber's odyssey has been completed. Beginning with my interview with Mike Gibbs last year and then a casual question as to whether he might still have his original score to Paprika Plains, he then seached his house for a couple of weeks and located some old photostats of his handwritten score from 1977 which he sent me. Zoomed way in they were just legible. They only included the parts that he himself wrote, not the piano and vocal parts leading up to the orchestral interlude or the recapitulation after it. So a melding of his score with a new transcription of the piano and vocal parts needed to be done. At this time, my friend and co-transcriber in Australia, Michael Dunn, happened to contact me regarding something else and I mentioned that I was working on PP since Mike Gibbs had made it feasible. Between us we were able to complete the work in three months, and then we sent it to Mike Gibbs for his approval. He proof read it and was very pleased with the work. The full score, in 11x17 format http://jonimitchell.com/music/transcription.cfm?id=506 and a piano-vocal chart in 8.5x11 http://jonimitchell.com/music/transcription.cfm?id=507 is put up on the website today for all to peruse and study. We hope Joni researchers and historians will find this undertaking useful as well as musicians wanting to learn the piece. cheers, Dave Blackburn (and Michael Dunn) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #420 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------