From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #402 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 6 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 402 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: The Eagles, Columbus, Ohio USA, joni content ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Your notches liberation dollth [Dave Blackburn ] Sad and beautiful Kathleen Edwards, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni Encounter [Phyliss ] Welcome and dulcimer [Steve Dulson ] Re: Your notches liberation doll (not) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Freaky Joni doll [Anita G ] Re: Joni Encounter ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Your notches liberation doll (not) [Anita G ] New Library item: parting shot [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 16:47:53 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: The Eagles, Columbus, Ohio USA, joni content You are most welcome Laura. I felt the same way when I played People's parties the first time (both is open D!) :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of LC Stanley Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:17 AM To: Jim; Joni List Subject: The Eagles, Columbus, Ohio USA, joni content Jim wrote: Glenn Frey finished singing "The Best Of My Love", and he said, something like this: >I want to thank Joni Mitchell for inspiring that song. Joni is one our greatest songwriters and she was one of the people who was hanging around the same places that we did. One night, Joni picked up a guitar and put into a special tuning and played a new song which sounded really good. The next day, I was messing around with my guitar, trying to find her tuning. I never did. But I did find a tuning that worked for me and that's where the song came from. So, thank you, Joni.> I googled this and found basically the same story at: http://www.glennfreyonline.com/quotes/songs.htm Hi Jim, Thanks for sharing this Jim. It reminds me of my frustration in the 70's when I was learning guitar and couldn't get Joni's songs to sound right. I didn't know what an alternate tuning was until I saw the tabs on JoniMitchell.com in 2002. Her tunings are each a world of their own, and entering into them gets me high. Guitar had gotten boring until the tabs. So thanks to Sue and Marion, etc. who figured all that out and were generous to post the tabs, making them available "for free." The first Joni song I played in the right tuning was Conversation. I can't adequately express the high that was. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 05:17:20 -0800 (PST) From: LC Stanley Subject: The Eagles, Columbus, Ohio USA, joni content Jim wrote: Glenn Frey finished singing "The Best Of My Love", and he said, something like this: >I want to thank Joni Mitchell for inspiring that song. Joni is one our greatest songwriters and she was one of the people who was hanging around the same places that we did. One night, Joni picked up a guitar and put into a special tuning and played a new song which sounded really good. The next day, I was messing around with my guitar, trying to find her tuning. I never did. But I did find a tuning that worked for me and that's where the song came from. So, thank you, Joni.> I googled this and found basically the same story at: http://www.glennfreyonline.com/quotes/songs.htm Hi Jim, Thanks for sharing this Jim. It reminds me of my frustration in the 70's when I was learning guitar and couldn't get Joni's songs to sound right. I didn't know what an alternate tuning was until I saw the tabs on JoniMitchell.com in 2002. Her tunings are each a world of their own, and entering into them gets me high. Guitar had gotten boring until the tabs. So thanks to Sue and Marion, etc. who figured all that out and were generous to post the tabs, making them available "for free." The first Joni song I played in the right tuning was Conversation. I can't adequately express the high that was. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 12:04:43 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Your notches liberation dollth I know this has been discussed on this list at length before, but I still think there is missing punctuation in this phrase, and it should be "You're notches, liberation doll," as in you may think you're liberated, doll, but in the free love society that was evolving in that era, Joni was trying to remind women that while they may feel liberated, to most men they were still objectified conquests, or notches in some stud's holster. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 09:36:23 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Your notches liberation dollth Thats how I read the line, too, but this thread has gone around many times and there were several valid alternate readings. I believe the album liner notes read Your notches. It could well be a typo that has caused all the controversy. Now that we see daily on Facebook how people use your and youre it would hardly be a stretch. Before I click send I should say that SMOE removes all the apostrophes to anything I post, so I know what I just wrote is going to look wrong! Dave On Mar 6, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Paul Ivice wrote: > I know this has been discussed on this list at length before, but I still > think there is missing punctuation in this phrase, and it should be "You're > notches, liberation doll," as in you may think you're liberated, doll, but in > the free love society that was evolving in that era, Joni was trying to remind > women that while they may feel liberated, to most men they were still > objectified conquests, or notches in some stud's holster. > > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 21:39:29 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Sad and beautiful Kathleen Edwards, njc I've been listening to Kathleen Edwards on Pandora1. She has one of those sad/beautiful/fragile voices like Emmylou, Patty Griffin, Lucinda Williams, or Julie Miller. I also listen to our own Patti Witten on Pandora1 too. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 16:58:19 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: The Eagles, Columbus, Ohio USA, joni content Mine being The Dawntreader. Thank you again, Marian and all you tuning smiths Anita On 6 Mar 2014, at 16:47, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > You are most welcome Laura. I felt the same way when I played People's parties the first time (both is open D!) :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of LC Stanley > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:17 AM > To: Jim; Joni List > Subject: The Eagles, Columbus, Ohio USA, joni content > > Jim wrote: > > Glenn Frey finished singing "The Best Of My Love", and he said, something like this: > >> I want to thank Joni Mitchell for inspiring that song. > Joni is one > our greatest songwriters and she was one of the people who was hanging around the same places that we did. > > One night, Joni picked up a > guitar and put into a special tuning and played a new song which sounded really good. The next day, I was messing around with my guitar, trying to find her tuning. > > I never did. But I did find a tuning that worked for me and that's where the song came from. So, thank you, Joni.> > > I googled this and > found basically the same story at: > http://www.glennfreyonline.com/quotes/songs.htm > > > > > Hi Jim, > > Thanks for > sharing this Jim. It reminds me of my frustration in the 70's when I was learning guitar and couldn't get Joni's songs to sound right. I didn't know what an alternate tuning was until I saw the tabs on JoniMitchell.com in 2002. > Her tunings are each a world of their own, and entering into them gets me high. Guitar had gotten boring until the tabs. So thanks to Sue and Marion, etc. who figured all that out and were generous to post the tabs, making them available "for free." The first Joni song I played in the right tuning was Conversation. I can't adequately express the high that was. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 17:50:57 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Your notches liberation dollth The notches are the 'roomful of glasses' and they are on her belt. Joni said so. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 9:36 AM To: Paul Ivice Cc: JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Your notches liberation dollth Thats how I read the line, too, but this thread has gone around many times and there were several valid alternate readings. I believe the album liner notes read Your notches. It could well be a typo that has caused all the controversy. Now that we see daily on Facebook how people use your and youre it would hardly be a stretch. Before I click send I should say that SMOE removes all the apostrophes to anything I post, so I know what I just wrote is going to look wrong! Dave On Mar 6, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Paul Ivice wrote: > I know this has been discussed on this list at length before, but I still > think there is missing punctuation in this phrase, and it should be > "You're > notches, liberation doll," as in you may think you're liberated, doll, but > in > the free love society that was evolving in that era, Joni was trying to > remind > women that while they may feel liberated, to most men they were still > objectified conquests, or notches in some stud's holster. > > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 19:32:46 -0500 From: Phyliss Subject: Joni Encounter Hi All Coming out of lurkdom to share (with permission) this FB post by a friend of Bob's from High School in Miami... Phyliss > Arny Grayson was standing at the curb at Miami International Airport. It must have been mid 1975.. I was on my way to check on Michael in LA. It was strange seeing Arny, he never left his cave in Coconut Grove. When he saw me he seemed particularly ill at ease and uncomfortable, and before I could even acknowledge him he said, bDonbt make a big deal over her shebs really niceb. I said bArny what are you talking about? > > He repeated himself and he walked me into the terminal, and pointed to a lady sitting on a bench. She had far too many bags, a guitar and a floppy hat. I really couldnbt see her face, but Arny repeated, for the 3rd time, bDonbt make a big deal, shebs really nice! Just call her Jonib&" > > I said again to Arny bWhat are you talkingb&?b > > And as the words came out of my mouth the lady threw back he floppy hat and said, bHello, Ibm Joni." > > It was Joni Mitchell. > > Arny was a fixture in Coconut Grove. He owned the Recorder Workshop on Bird Road. Everyone thought it was a tape recorder repair shop. Except the musicians. They knew it was a Arnybs place. He was a renowned renaissance/ baroque musician and the place was FILLED with acoustic guitars, sheet music and harpsichord(s), sackbuts, recorders, viola da gamba, and guitar strings. People from all over the world would come hang out with Arny. He sold my mom the first guitar I ever had and I ended up playing in an ensemble with him during my performing days. I know John Sebastian was a friend, as were Teri DeSario and Odetta, and Ibm sure David Crosby, Bobby Ingram, Vince Martin and Fred Neil must of known Arny. Everyone was in and out of the shop at all hours, and now obviously Joni Mitchel was a pal too. > > It turns out Joni and I were on the same flight to LA. > > Just after take off the stewardess came back in the cabin and said Joni was inviting me to join her. There was an empty seatb&. > > We talked for HOURS. About her record deals and her career. About how for her last record the execs had told her they wanted something b More Jonib (?!). We talked bout PACE (we had just started around 4-6 months before) and bpurposeful music". I talked about my musical career, how I had stopped playing. That the symphony was failing (again). About how my partner/friend percussionist, arts management student, Steve Parsons from the symphony and I wanted to produce musical events that served the public. We talked at length about how we wanted to start a bchamber rock ensemble b with the members of the orchestra to perform with contemporary artists. I told her I had been the music director at The Coconut Grove Playhouse where Pat Metheny was playing guitar for Godspell, Steve Morse had done Jesus Christ Superstar and Nel Carter had finished Donbt Bother Me I Canbt Cope. > > She asked me, "What musicians do I know of , in Miami or elsewhere that are stellar?" At one point she also asked "b&who do you think are the best electric bass players?" Immediately I mentioned Will Lee and she was aware of him. We talked about the Brecker Brothers. I mentioned Jaco, who had just recently started with Weather Report. > > We talked and talked. When we got to LA we agreed to talk again. We never didb&. > > But history is historyb& > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLKb9Ms68ME > > Pat Metheny, Joni Mitchell, Jaco Pastorius, Michael Brecker - "Shadows And Light". > www.youtube.com > Joni Mitchell - electric guitar, vocals Pat Metheny - lead guitar Jaco Pastorius - bass Don Alias - drums Lyle Mays -... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:20:48 -0500 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Welcome and dulcimer Laura Stanley wrote: >I like the dulcimer too. Steve Dulson on this list plays it very good. And for free! :) Thanks Laura - Chuck E. is a fine dulcimer on the list, too, and you know, there may be more. :) *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 08:23:05 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Your notches liberation doll (not) 'Recently, she performed Rand Paul's entire 13-hour Filibuster dressed as her alter ego "FutureClown." ' At least it wasn't 'Dancin' Clown', eh Bob?> Indeed, although I have to say that I'll be jacked when there is an officially release cover of that one, if there will ever be. Bob NP: Luther Allison, "Cancel My Check" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Remember, your notches liberation,doll. Anita CEO/MD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 01:15:59 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: Joni Encounter Excellent story Phyliss! What a plane ride that must have been! Thanks for sharing! :-) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2014, at 7:55 PM, "Phyliss" wrote: > > Hi All > Coming out of lurkdom to share (with permission) this FB post by a friend of > Bob's from High School in Miami... > > Phyliss > >> Arny Grayson was standing at the curb at Miami International Airport. It > must have been mid 1975.. I was on my way to check on Michael in LA. It was > strange seeing Arny, he never left his cave in Coconut Grove. When he saw me > he seemed particularly ill at ease and uncomfortable, and before I could even > acknowledge him he said, bDonbt make a big deal over her shebs really > niceb. I said bArny what are you talking about? >> >> He repeated himself and he walked me into the terminal, and pointed to a > lady sitting on a bench. She had far too many bags, a guitar and a floppy hat. > I really couldnbt see her face, but Arny repeated, for the 3rd time, > bDonbt make a big deal, shebs really nice! Just call her Jonib&" >> >> I said again to Arny bWhat are you talkingb&?b >> >> And as the words came out of my mouth the lady threw back he floppy hat and > said, bHello, Ibm Joni." >> >> It was Joni Mitchell. >> >> Arny was a fixture in Coconut Grove. He owned the Recorder Workshop on Bird > Road. Everyone thought it was a tape recorder repair shop. Except the > musicians. They knew it was a Arnybs place. He was a renowned renaissance/ > baroque musician and the place was FILLED with acoustic guitars, sheet music > and harpsichord(s), sackbuts, recorders, viola da gamba, and guitar strings. > People from all over the world would come hang out with Arny. He sold my mom > the first guitar I ever had and I ended up playing in an ensemble with him > during my performing days. I know John Sebastian was a friend, as were Teri > DeSario and Odetta, and Ibm sure David Crosby, Bobby Ingram, Vince Martin > and Fred Neil must of known Arny. Everyone was in and out of the shop at all > hours, and now obviously Joni Mitchel was a pal too. >> >> It turns out Joni and I were on the same flight to LA. >> >> Just after take off the stewardess came back in the cabin and said Joni was > inviting me to join her. There was an empty seatb&. >> >> We talked for HOURS. About her record deals and her career. About how for > her last record the execs had told her they wanted something b More Jonib > (?!). We talked bout PACE (we had just started around 4-6 months before) and > bpurposeful music". I talked about my musical career, how I had stopped > playing. That the symphony was failing (again). About how my partner/friend > percussionist, arts management student, Steve Parsons from the symphony and I > wanted to produce musical events that served the public. We talked at length > about how we wanted to start a bchamber rock ensemble b with the members > of the orchestra to perform with contemporary artists. I told her I had been > the music director at The Coconut Grove Playhouse where Pat Metheny was > playing guitar for Godspell, Steve Morse had done Jesus Christ Superstar and > Nel Carter had finished Donbt Bother Me I Canbt Cope. >> >> She asked me, "What musicians do I know of , in Miami or elsewhere that are > stellar?" At one point she also asked "b&who do you think are the best > electric bass players?" Immediately I mentioned Will Lee and she was aware of > him. We talked about the Brecker Brothers. I mentioned Jaco, who had just > recently started with Weather Report. >> >> We talked and talked. When we got to LA we agreed to talk again. We never > didb&. >> >> But history is historyb& >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLKb9Ms68ME >> >> Pat Metheny, Joni Mitchell, Jaco Pastorius, Michael Brecker - "Shadows And > Light". >> www.youtube.com >> Joni Mitchell - electric guitar, vocals Pat Metheny - lead guitar Jaco > Pastorius - bass Don Alias - drums Lyle Mays -... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 11:43:58 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Your notches liberation doll (not) Only on JMDL could there be a discussion about the clothes designer for this doll. I love this List! Anita On 05/03/2014, M C wrote: > Is the doll wearing Issey Miyake? > > > >> Ms. Mason who, in her own words is from another planet, has created a >> Joni Mitchell doll (the direct link to the JM doll is >> http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1641442/thumbs/o-JONI-MITCHELL-900.jpg). >> >> >> >> moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 09:34:18 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Freaky Joni doll At the end of the day, you forgot the dreaded and still-used "think outside the box." This often comes from those who are squarely, in every sense, in the box. SO GLAD I don't have to work anymore! >________________________________ > From: Anita G >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: "kbhla@fastmail.fm" ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 11:56:13 AM >Subject: Re: Freaky Joni doll > > >On 05/03/2014, Catherine McKay wrote: > >> It kind of reminds me of business-speak "visions" and "mission statements" >> created by committee. Gag! >> >Trouble with you, Catherine, is your lack of blue sky thinking. You >probably need to shift your paradigm, drill down, evaluate your core >competencies before aspiring to empower yourself and others to give >110%. Remember, your notches liberation,doll. > >Anita CEO/MD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:13:10 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: parting shot Title: parting shot Publication: INSIDE E (Canadian Magazine) Date: 2003.03.0 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2753 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #402 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------