From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #271 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 19 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 271 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Video added to Library: Interview with Mark McEwan [est86mlm@ameritec] Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) ["Marian" ] Re: biopic [Anita ] Re: biopic [Jeff Clark ] Re: Spot the Typos [Catherine McKay ] [none] [Jeff Clark ] Spot the Typos ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #256 [Phil Fallo ] Re: Marketing Joni [Les Irvin ] Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #245 ["Arkay Adkisson" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #256 ["Mark" ] Re: Taylor Swift as Joni (the tinted digest) [Catherine McKay TURBULENT INDIGO Joni appears on CBS This Morning. Host Mark McEwen interviews Joni. The discussion includes David Geffen, Joni's post-polio syndrome problems, her making of the album TURBULENT IDIGO with husband Larry Klein after they had decided to separate. http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=371 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:19:23 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) Thanks for posting the Jonatha link, Catherine! She is an amazing musician and also very gracious and open with her fans. I agree that she really should be more famous. Also I liked the weird look of the video at the beginning. Marian - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:18:19 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) I also participated in the crowd-source funding for this and have been following the progress since Jonatha started it. She is a very talented songwriter who really should be more famous than she is.I wish I could make this jc without the fear of being flayed alive. There is a section of "My mother has 4 noses" on Youtube. Don't be put off by the weird look of the video at the beginning. I'm not sure if that's a deliberate arty look or the camera was wonky but it's interesting in its own right (cartoonish) and it turns "normal" after the first minute or so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKI99wJpgyg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:13:16 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: biopic I think Muller's idea of Joni playing the older Taylor Swift in said younger woman's biopic is the best - though my thoughts have increasingly moved towards animation. I'd sure like to see what Nick Park (of Wallace and Gromit) would make of the project, Anita On 19 Feb 2014, at 21:52, Jeff Clark wrote: > I think the whole Girls Like Us thing is ridiculous. Joni has said many times in interviews, "my peers aren't Carly Simon and these 'other women' " > Didn't Crosby say she's as humble as Mussolini? And when is Joni ever getting around to putting out her autobiography? Judy Collins and Crosby have put out two, and Neil Young, one. There was already Woman of Heart and Mind. Maybe Ken Burns should do a lengthy biop just on Joni. And at the same time, make a gigantic sculpture of her head out of a mountain around the Mt Rushmore/Crazy Horse area. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:30:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: biopic Joni, still forever, sitting at her table and smoking her American Spirits, having conquered folk, rock, jazz, folk-rock, "world-music" Woodstock, Peter Gabriel, Willie Nelson, Linda Ronstadt, Picasso, Matisse, Barbrara Streisand, etc etc. How many "people" are seriously going to be alive when this woman puts out her autobiograhy. And she dosen't have to. There was the Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman, everyone know Joni's thing about Miles Davis. That apparently she always wanted to work with him, but he was "inaccessable" and that when Miles Davis died, the report was that his son said he was listening to Joni's albumn's all the time before he died, even Dog Eat Dog and Taming the Tiger. I was reading Linda Rondstadt's autobiography, Willie Nelson's latest "Roll me up and Smoke me when I'm Dead" and watching the superbowl at the same time. Joni wants her poetry and thought to be preserved more than anything. This latest book of her guitar tunings and songs, she has mixed feelings about. It's not really healthy to get too obsessed with Joni Mitchell. What would happen if she got hit by a car or a bus crossing Sunset Blvd.? Would the whole world end? What would happen to her "still working on it" autobiography? Does David Geffen have the rights to it? I would like to see Joni Mitchell's work preserved. On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:13 PM, Anita wrote: I think Muller's idea of Joni playing the older Taylor Swift in said younger woman's biopic is the best - though my thoughts have increasingly moved towards animation. I'd sure like to see what Nick Park (of Wallace and Gromit) would make of the project, Anita On 19 Feb 2014, at 21:52, Jeff Clark wrote: > I think the whole Girls Like Us thing is ridiculous. Joni has said many times in interviews, "my peers aren't Carly Simon and these 'other women' " > Didn't Crosby say she's as humble as Mussolini? And when is Joni ever getting around to putting out her autobiography? Judy Collins and Crosby have put out two, and Neil Young, one. There was already Woman of Heart and Mind. Maybe Ken Burns should do a lengthy biop just on Joni. And at the same time, make a gigantic sculpture of her head out of a mountain around the Mt Rushmore/Crazy Horse area. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:05:13 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Spot the Typos Those are NOT typos. They are mistakes resulting from lack of basic research. >________________________________ > From: Jim L'Hommedieu >To: JMDL >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:42:07 PM >Subject: Spot the Typos > > >Hello, and welcome back to another edition of "Spot the Typos," the game >where Joni fans all over the English-speaking world match wits with >magazine writers. This time we look at Stereophile magazine, which >reviews high-fi gear and often mentions favorite musical selections. In >a review of the $699 (USD) Channel Islands Audio Transient Mk.II >digital-to-analog converter, Jon Iverson wrote this. Spot the typos... >if you can. > >>Joni Mitchell may have been from Canada, but California quickly >claimed her, and she proceeded to turn out one classic album after >another while living in the heart of Los Angeles. Her voice on "Coyote" >(from Ladies of the Canyon) and "For Free" (Hejira), both from CD rips, >revealed the one subtle weakness I detected in the Transient compared to >DACs in the next price tiers, such as the NAD M51 Direct Digital ($1999) >or Ayre Acoustics QB-9 ($3250): a slight lack of focus that rendered the >higher frequencies a little fuzzy.> > >Stereophile vol. 37, No.3 (current issue, March 2014) on page 93 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:52:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Clark Subject: [none] I think the whole Girls Like Us thing is ridiculous. Joni has said many times in interviews, "my peers aren't Carly Simon and these 'other women' " Didn't Crosby say she's as humble as Mussolini? And when is Joni ever getting around to putting out her autobiography? Judy Collins and Crosby have put out two, and Neil Young, one. There was already Woman of Heart and Mind. Maybe Ken Burns should do a lengthy biop just on Joni. And at the same time, make a gigantic sculpture of her head out of a mountain around the Mt Rushmore/Crazy Horse area. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:42:07 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Spot the Typos Hello, and welcome back to another edition of "Spot the Typos," the game where Joni fans all over the English-speaking world match wits with magazine writers. This time we look at Stereophile magazine, which reviews high-fi gear and often mentions favorite musical selections. In a review of the $699 (USD) Channel Islands Audio Transient Mk.II digital-to-analog converter, Jon Iverson wrote this. Spot the typos... if you can. >Joni Mitchell may have been from Canada, but California quickly claimed her, and she proceeded to turn out one classic album after another while living in the heart of Los Angeles. Her voice on "Coyote" (from Ladies of the Canyon) and "For Free" (Hejira), both from CD rips, revealed the one subtle weakness I detected in the Transient compared to DACs in the next price tiers, such as the NAD M51 Direct Digital ($1999) or Ayre Acoustics QB-9 ($3250): a slight lack of focus that rendered the higher frequencies a little fuzzy.> Stereophile vol. 37, No.3 (current issue, March 2014) on page 93 Jim L'Hommedieu np: Pandora1 playing a computer-generated selection of favorites from Neil Young. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Fallo Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #256 why not cast an actress to play joni. something like sissy spacek in "coal miners daughter." i haven't knowingly heard this taylor swift so i have no idea whether she has the performance chops to do a credible joni. i doubt it. who does? but other than being a huge pop star, i'm pretty sure she doesn't have the acting chops or cred to pull it off. maybe she has the physical appearance but this is hollywood so you don't have to be blonde & pretty. if i was casting, i'd be looking at actresses like meryl streep or kate winslet though both are too old. of the younger generation perhaps someone like amanda seyfried who was in "mama mia" and can apparently sing as well. or maybe rooney mara. perhaps split the role and get meryl or kate to play the older joni. phil - -----Original Message----- From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:49 pm Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #256 JMDL Digest Monday, February 17 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 256 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Taylor as Joni redux [Michael Sentance ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:48:05 -0500 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Taylor as Joni redux First, that report cites no source, no press release and no quote from studio, director or the Swift camp. Although it is not definitive, IMDB has no confirmation of it. Since this story first broke, I have flip-flopped on whether it is a good idea. I have listened to Swift's songs and wondered what a Joni Mitchell would be like in the paparazzi, TMZ, 24-hour-news-cycle, auto-tune world of today. There are off-putting aspects to the Taylor Swift machine but some of her songs are... ok. But more importantly, I want young people to know Joni Mitchell. I want people to know her journey, her courage, her evolution as an artist and musician. When I first listened to Joni, I also listened to Laura Nyro, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Judy Collins. Other than Judy, do you think young people know the others? Taylor Swift may or may not be good as a young Joni Mitchell. But what she will do is introduce millions of young listeners to the poetry and music of Joni Mitchell. I'm for that. That being said, I don't believe the report. Joni indicated that she stopped the movie in her Toronto interview. And, while she is a historical figure, someone would need to approve the use of her music in the movie. If Joni was opposed to the film and stopped the use of her music, that would be a killer. Witness the recent Justin Long movie, "A Case of You", which couldn't get rights to the song that inspired the title. Further, Taylor Swift - after trying to mimic the Joni Mitchell look - has recently cut her hair. (That probably revealed that I read too much about Swift.) Best wishes to all. Michael #NL "Croz" - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #256 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:02:49 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Marketing Joni The fact that this story has not been picked up by any other news/entertainment site indicates that this is just that, a re-posting of old, out-dated info. On 2/18/2014 9:49 AM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: I wonder if the latest rumor is just a re-posting of the old, obsolete rumor. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:42:54 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) So cool Thanks for sharing. I have been in touch with Jonatha about this and I am hoping to have her in New Orleans at the Civic to perform this show. As you guys may know my dad had Alzheimer's and it was a hard thing for my sister and myself to deal with. Esp. for her because she was with him 24/7/365 while the disease took its toll on him. I followed Jonatha's progress on the making of the album and received updates and samples of the work along the way. I got my hard copy of the album a couple weeks ago and I truly love it. Thanks to the JMDL for turning me on to an artist who has now become a good friend over the years. Best Paz On Feb 16, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Steve Dulson wrote: I know there are some Jonatha fans here, so wanted to post this review from Christine Lavin: Subject: Went to the first preview of Jonatha Brooke's off-Bway one-woman musical "My Mother Has Four Noses" -- stunningly brilliant, heartbreakingly beautiful show I don't know when I have been so moved by a performance. I've been a fan of Jonatha's work for years -- this show is about taking care of her mother the last two years of her life, but is really about so much more. The music is gorgeous. Jonatha alternates between a piano and two guitars that she plays, and is accompanied by an electric guitar and cello which perfectly frame her songs. I can't say enough about how moving this show is, how perfectly Jonatha spins this tale. Anyone who has helped care for a family elder will identify with this work, and eventually all of us will experience some form of what she so honestly and bravely lays out for all of us to see. I have never seen anything like it -- it's as unique as Jonatha, and for her fans it gives us a glimpse of where her extraordinary talent comes from. For people seeing her for the first time, they'll be astonished. The show runs til early May, so if you are going to be in NYC, I encourage you to go. Here's a link to her website with all the information: http://jonathabrooke.com/fournoses#.Uv8LlyhCecY Sincerely, Christine Lavin *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:13:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Arkay Adkisson" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #245 I completely agree! Arkay b Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Damian Naimad wrote: > The anachronistic 90's email format of this discussion group should be > changed to a more modern nested forum format. Much more pleasant to read > imho. > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:11 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: >> >> JMDL Digest Monday, February 17 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 245 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #243 [Birdie Breeze < >> birdies@ix.netcom.com>] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:10:43 -0800 >> From: Birdie Breeze >> Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #243 >> >> Hi >> >> I am subscribed for the digest and periodically get single posts - like >> today, where I got a whole stream of them. >> >> Has there been any progress in fixing this glitch? >> >> Thanks >> >> Birdie >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #245 >> ***************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:06:15 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #256 I have serious doubts about the credibility of the piece that was linked. Also, I'm in the camp that doesnbt' want to see this movie made at all. Joni's legacy is not going to go away. Bob's covers project is proof of that. Musicians will keep her music alive. Mutts of the Planet are doing amazing work of maintaining a high standard of quality in their live and recorded performances, preserving the music but pushing it forward with their own special, individual contributions. Over time, people who love quality music and who have inquisitive minds will discover it and new audiences will develop over successive generations. I don't think Joni needs or wants what might be a botched biopic to sell her catalogue. Somebody mentioned Sissy Spacek and 'Coal Miner's Daughter'. To my mind, that is the gold standard for biopics about singers. Spacek was able to assume Loretta Lynn's character and created a remarkable facsimile of Loretta's singing voice. That said, if I had to choose an actress to play the young Joni Mitchell, I really don't know who it might be. Jessica Chastain came to mind but when I looked her name up on the IMDB, it said she was born in 1977. So she is in her late 30s now. Still, a good actress with the right look can do amazing things with a character that is not necessarily close to their age. I don't know if she can sing. Jennifer Lawrence is a hot ticket right now and closer to the right age. Not much resemblance to Joni, though, and again, there is the question of whether or not she can sing. And to be quite honest, I haven't seen any of her films. If there has to be a film about Joni Mitchell, Joni deserves to have someone who has the highest quality of skills to act the part, not an untried pop sensation who may bear some resemblance and maybe has a sincere admiration for Joni. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Phil Fallo Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:40 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #256 why not cast an actress to play joni. something like sissy spacek in "coal miners daughter." i haven't knowingly heard this taylor swift so i have no idea whether she has the performance chops to do a credible joni. i doubt it. who does? but other than being a huge pop star, i'm pretty sure she doesn't have the acting chops or cred to pull it off. maybe she has the physical appearance but this is hollywood so you don't have to be blonde & pretty. if i was casting, i'd be looking at actresses like meryl streep or kate winslet though both are too old. of the younger generation perhaps someone like amanda seyfried who was in "mama mia" and can apparently sing as well. or maybe rooney mara. perhaps split the role and get meryl or kate to play the older joni. phil - -----Original Message----- From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 7:49 pm Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #256 JMDL Digest Monday, February 17 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 256 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Taylor as Joni redux [Michael Sentance ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:48:05 -0500 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Taylor as Joni redux First, that report cites no source, no press release and no quote from studio, director or the Swift camp. Although it is not definitive, IMDB has no confirmation of it. Since this story first broke, I have flip-flopped on whether it is a good idea. I have listened to Swift's songs and wondered what a Joni Mitchell would be like in the paparazzi, TMZ, 24-hour-news-cycle, auto-tune world of today. There are off-putting aspects to the Taylor Swift machine but some of her songs are... ok. But more importantly, I want young people to know Joni Mitchell. I want people to know her journey, her courage, her evolution as an artist and musician. When I first listened to Joni, I also listened to Laura Nyro, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Judy Collins. Other than Judy, do you think young people know the others? Taylor Swift may or may not be good as a young Joni Mitchell. But what she will do is introduce millions of young listeners to the poetry and music of Joni Mitchell. I'm for that. That being said, I don't believe the report. Joni indicated that she stopped the movie in her Toronto interview. And, while she is a historical figure, someone would need to approve the use of her music in the movie. If Joni was opposed to the film and stopped the use of her music, that would be a killer. Witness the recent Justin Long movie, "A Case of You", which couldn't get rights to the song that inspired the title. Further, Taylor Swift - after trying to mimic the Joni Mitchell look - has recently cut her hair. (That probably revealed that I read too much about Swift.) Best wishes to all. Michael #NL "Croz" - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #256 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 06:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni (the tinted digest) I'm not going to get into the Taylor Swift thing again, but this line made me laugh. It conjures up a really disturbing image! >________________________________ > From: c Karma >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 10:14:18 PM >Subject: re: Taylor Swift as Joni (the tinted digest) > > >IN all fairness to Ms. Swift the same thing would >happen and then more people would know the difference and we might attract >some new blood to the trough. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:35:23 -0800 From: Jacqueline Propps Subject: Blue America announces the Winners of Joni Prints, njc Thank you to all who participated. The contest had 945 people who donated something to either Alan Grayson, Lee Rogers or Blue America, for a total of $27,572. Details, here: https://secure.actblue.com/page/joni Everyone who was randomly selected is very excited and happy to win their prize, which is one of four Joni Mitchell Prints. The winners are: Garland Marshall, a Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biophysics in St Louis, Paul Droluk, near San Diego Jim Gilkeson, Orlando Clark Newhall of Salt Lake City Thanks again, and apologies to those of you outside of the United States, who, by law were unable to contribute. :( Jacquie Propps for Blue America ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 10:28:59 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: The new Joni Tuning Book and a strange Dawntreader tuning One point about songbooks in general is that they might be perfectly accurate, and great for learning the song, but the format is of little use when actually performing, with the many page turns, tiny fonts, and the book binding not allowing it to lay flat. The spiral bound books of actual charts are much better for this than the traditional publishers format. Another point concerns proof-reading. Many times the artist themself doesnt read music so they are not much help in proofing a transcription and a publisher will often hire the cheapest undergrad transcriber they can find and take their work as offered, assuming it to be correct. Finally, you can often play a song perfectly in several different tunings and hand shapes, which may not be what the artist originally did. I use that to my advantage to keep the retunings to a minimum during shows. The sound is the same (Kay Ashley would probably disagree, saying the sonority of each tuning is a big part of the music - shed be right, but Im talking about the notes themselves.) Dave On Feb 8, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Les Irvin wrote: > The unfortunate aspect of all this is that the fan-based transcriptions have, as Anita mentioned, yet to be properly recognized and respected. The debate will probably never be resolved as to the "exact way" that Joni played these - Joni doesn't remember, and it's certainly possible that Joel may have - at times - inexact notes or memory. > > In questions like this re Dawntreader (I expect more of them to come up) it's all about knowing what left-hand shapes Joni tends to use, what shapes she would probably never use, listening for open strings, watching video of Joni playing them, etc... I think the JoniMitchell.com team of guitarists (primarily Sue, Marian, Howard, Dave, and Mark) are the best suited people on the planet to know these details and assess the "correct" way to play them. > > Hopefully someday they'll get the respect and recognition they deserve. If it weren't for the pricey copyrights, I think they should write their own book! For now, the transcriptions on the website are real good, for free. > > On 2/8/2014 10:10 AM, Anita G wrote: >> Joni thanks Joel Bernstein for preserving the tunings, which is great, >> but I was SO surprised that there was no mention of Sue, Marian, Mark >> Howard nor your good self, Dave, who have made the songs accessible >> to us minions. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #271 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------