From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #2157 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 1 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 2157 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Cassandra's tweet ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: MOA makes Rolling Stone's Top 50 Live Albums of all time. [Jeff Clark] Re: Music & The internet (NJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: Music & The internet (NJC) [Scott Price ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Anita Gabrielle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 21:14:12 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Cassandra's tweet Beautiful!!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:11 PM To: JMDL Subject: Cassandra's tweet Did anyone notice Cassandra Wilson's tweet of a couple days ago? wow... Cassandra Wilson @reallycassandra It is we who are asleep and await your voice to awaken us. #WeLoveYouJoni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 09:22:01 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press I would say that there's likely to be a fair bit of crabbiness and uncertainty here on JMDL as each of us struggles and tries to work out, in our own ways, what is happening to Joni and what our relationship (or lack or relationship) to Joni means to each of us. This is a person whose life work has affected us all in a deep and profound way, yet whom most of us don't know personally. I think Joni's illness probably is thought about frequently by many of us here. I know I think about her several times a day. She does feel almost like a family member and this has really surprised both me and Steph. I am surprised to be affected as much as I have been. I wonder if others have felt like this,too. The kind of questions I imagine many of us are trying to work out ( as I don't think I'm alone) is just what this individual relationship is and isn't. If we think about it, how come we are being so affected by an illness to someone we don't know? How do we respond? What are we entitled to know about and what are we not? Do we grieve for loss or carry on hoping all is well? And what does this experience of not having information resonate within us all of real events in our own lives? Just who is Joni Mitchell to us? There is an awful lot for us to hold as a group. There's bound to be a few spats when the 'unknown ' is so present. It goes very much with this difficult territory at a very difficult time, Trying to be helpful, Anita x > On 1 May 2015, at 03:04, Kevin Foehr wrote: > > Hi Lori, > You are certainly entitled to your opinion, no need to apologize. B Actually I > thought that statement was a quote from the AP article. (I don't read most of > the posts, so I missed the context.) I probably wouldn't have chimed in if I'd > known it was from a list member, so I apologize for hurting your feelings, if > I did. > We are in a difficult position because Joni is more than a run of the mill > celebrity to many of us. She was and still is a significant part of our lives > because of the influence her music and lyrics had on us in our formative > years. She is almost like a member of our family or a very close friend to > many of us. But obviously this is not really the case; so we aren't told what > is going on with her as we would be about a family member or close friend. I > think that causes us to speculate more than less emotionally involved fans > would do.B > The speculation flared up after the TMZ news, but it is fading now, I think. > There is little more to speculate about. All we can do is hope and pray that > she is not suffering and that she will soon recover fully from whatever > afflicts her. > Kevin B > > From: Lori Renee Fye > To: anne madden > Cc: Kevin Foehr ; "joni@smoe.org" ; > "mep@chorus.net" > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press > > My apologies to everyone.B I was feeling crabby. B "Again and again the same > situation ..." > > I do think there's a difference, though, between expressing concern for Joni > and speculating on very private details.B It just feels disrespectful. > > With that written, I was happy to read personal stories about meeting Joni. > > Best, > > Lori > Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 20:14:11 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: "Don't always believe everything you read!!!!" Times* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 19:31:32 +0300 From: Jussi Pukkila Subject: Joni in Marillion song Totally unrelated to any recent discussion, the Marillion song "Montreal" mentions Joni: http://www.marillion.com/music/lyric.htm?id=822 - --jussi - --- Avast Antivirus on tarkistanut tC$mC$n sC$hkC6postin virusten varalta. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 16:36:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: MOA makes Rolling Stone's Top 50 Live Albums of all time. Its nice to see MOA make a list like this. Its an enjoyable album. I particularly like Cactus Tree and her guitar playing. I remember cracking up seeing John Kelly do his Joni show which reminded me of Joni during her MOA period, what with the rooster going around in circles during "Circle Game" and his (loving) mimic of Joni's extended outro of You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio. S&L is generally considered the masterpiece among more serious music people. I especially like Edith and the Kingpin and the title song. And Woodstock. It really reaches levels of catharsis. My other favorite is the great '76 Spectrum show. Joni was really full of energy that night! I don't know how much doctoring up goes into these commercially released concerts. I was just reading in RS about all the work Graham Nash put into cutting and pasting lines (of music, not cocaine) into the release of their 74 concerts from various shows. In a way I like that '76 Spectrum show because its purely live, warts and all, as it were. Not that there's any warts to speak of. Just some scattered freckles from Saskatoon. And the introduction of Coyote and Don Juan is particularly exciting.B JeffNP: YTMOIAR,IMH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 18:22:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Music & The internet (NJC) Thanks for this, Scott - and she even gives a shoutout to XTC one of my and Mr. Blackburn's favorites. I don't have any answers, we just have to wait until the model is adjusted to make it sustainable again. Bob NP: Kendrick Lamar, "Alright" B From: Scott Price To: Joni List Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Music & The internet (NJC) Coincidentally singer-songwriter Dar Williams authored a guest piece in "American Songwriter" that addresses some of the financial challenges contemporary musicians are facing: Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:29:25 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Music & The internet (NJC) Coincidentally singer-songwriter Dar Williams authored a guest piece in "American Songwriter" that addresses some of the financial challenges contemporary musicians are facing: Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 18:36:36 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press Thanks for such kind words about my post, Kevin, Mary and Catherine. I really appreciate all your kindness and wisdom, Anita > On 1 May 2015, at 18:09, Kevin Foehr wrote: > > Hi Anita, > > Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I agree with you that Joni has affected many of us here deeply and profoundly. As a result we have a strong emotional connection with her from a distance. She didn't know us, but we knew her personally through her work. And therefore it is natural for us to worry and wonder. > > I think many of us fear losing her, as we must eventually lose everyone in our life, and that fear reflects, as with all such losses, both the sadness we would feel for Joni and the pain of loss in our own lives. > > She is a part of our personal lives because she helped shape some of our deeply held values and attitudes during our youth, and thus losing her would be losing a part of ourselves. The values and attitudes we developed, influenced by her music and lyrics, would remain, but the source of them would be gone, and that would engender a grieving process. > > But I think there is even more to the connection we feel to her. When a parent dies we lose a very big part of our lives, our shared history together is no longer shared, it becomes just our memory alone. And even though Joni was only a part of our lives from afar, I think we feel somehow we went through the decades together. So her loss would be much more significant than one would expect for someone we never met in person. Our emotional connection to her transcends the distance and she is as close to us as our heart and mind. > > She has longevity in her family, I think, so let's hope she recovers fully and outlives us all! > > Kevin > > From: Anita Gabrielle > To: Kevin Foehr > Cc: Lori Renee Fye ; anne madden ; "joni@smoe.org" ; "mep@chorus.net" > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 4:22 AM > Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press > > I would say that there's likely to be a fair bit of crabbiness and uncertainty here on JMDL as each of us struggles and tries to work out, in our own ways, what is happening to Joni and what our relationship (or lack or relationship) to Joni means to each of us. > > This is a person whose life work has affected us all in a deep and profound way, yet whom most of us don't know personally. I think Joni's illness probably is thought about frequently by many of us here. I know I think about her several times a day. She does feel almost like a family member and this has really surprised both me and Steph. I am surprised to be affected as much as I have been. I wonder if others have felt like this,too. > > The kind of questions I imagine many of us are trying to work out ( as I don't think I'm alone) is just what this individual relationship is and isn't. If we think about it, how come we are being so affected by an illness to someone we don't know? How do we respond? What are we entitled to know about and what are we not? Do we grieve for loss or carry on hoping all is well? And what does this experience of not having information resonate within us all of real events in our own lives? Just who is Joni Mitchell to us? > > There is an awful lot for us to hold as a group. There's bound to be a few spats when the 'unknown ' is so present. It goes very much with this difficult territory at a very difficult time, > Trying to be helpful, > Anita x > > > > On 1 May 2015, at 03:04, Kevin Foehr wrote: > > > > Hi Lori, > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion, no need to apologize. B Actually I > > thought that statement was a quote from the AP article. (I don't read most of > > the posts, so I missed the context.) I probably wouldn't have chimed in if I'd > > known it was from a list member, so I apologize for hurting your feelings, if > > I did. > > We are in a difficult position because Joni is more than a run of the mill > > celebrity to many of us. She was and still is a significant part of our lives > > because of the influence her music and lyrics had on us in our formative > > years. She is almost like a member of our family or a very close friend to > > many of us. But obviously this is not really the case; so we aren't told what > > is going on with her as we would be about a family member or close friend. I > > think that causes us to speculate more than less emotionally involved fans > > would do.B > > The speculation flared up after the TMZ news, but it is fading now, I think. > > There is little more to speculate about. All we can do is hope and pray that > > she is not suffering and that she will soon recover fully from whatever > > afflicts her. > > Kevin B > > > > From: Lori Renee Fye > > To: anne madden > > Cc: Kevin Foehr ; "joni@smoe.org" ; > > "mep@chorus.net" > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 5:42 PM > > Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press > > > > My apologies to everyone.B I was feeling crabby. B "Again and again the same > > situation ..." > > > > I do think there's a difference, though, between expressing concern for Joni > > and speculating on very private details.B It just feels disrespectful. > > > > With that written, I was happy to read personal stories about meeting Joni. > > > > Best, > > > > Lori > > Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 22:28:09 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Cassandra's tweet That puts me and my dreams firmly in their place :-)) Anita > On 1 May 2015, at 22:14, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > Beautiful!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:11 PM > To: JMDL > Subject: Cassandra's tweet > > Did anyone notice Cassandra Wilson's tweet of a couple days ago? wow... > > Cassandra Wilson @reallycassandra > It is we who are asleep and await your voice to awaken us. #WeLoveYouJoni ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #2157 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------