From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #2149 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 30 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 2149 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Music & The internet (NJC) [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Music & The internet (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni [Victor ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Music & The internet (NJC) [Victor ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Music & The internet (NJC) > I have seen a bunch of artists doing this. You can put pdf's on there and pics etc. You can also get them in great shapes and all sizes. Seems like a reasonable solution to me, especially for people who are going to add the music to their mp3/mp4 library anyway. An added bonus is that the flash drive could be reused if the buyer wanted to reuse it. I would think the cost shipping for 100 flash drives would be less than for 100 CDs, especially if those CDs include cases. Of course someone then needs to upload the files to the flash drives. I'm available for that type of employment. :-) Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:07:41 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Music & The internet (NJC) I have seen a bunch of artists doing this. You can put pdf's on there and pics etc. You can also get them in great shapes and all sizes. On Apr 29, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > You will be better off with digital in the long run unless you are doing lots of shows where you can sell merch. Has anyone considered selling flash drives containing the music you'd like to sell at a performance? I don't know what CD pressing costs so maybe flash drives wouldn't be more economical but I'm seeing 128MB flash drives online for $2.56 for 100 or more. Of course people who buy CDs often want the booklet if the CD contains one but some CDs contain only a single-page cover. Just a thought. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:24:01 -0700 From: Victor Subject: Re: Joni I'll post some photos on the JMDL FB page tomorrow. One of the kids was really concerned (even though he has no idea who she is) and said he really wanted her to feel better. This is why I love working with 3-5 year olds! Victor in Bend Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: > > CUTE get some photos!! > > >> On Apr 29, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Victor wrote: >> >> Today at the preschool where I teach music full-time, I am playing Joni all day. We are also going to color some large banners with intentions of love and healing. >> >> Victor in Bend >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Michael Paz wrote: >>> >>> The official word was posted last night on jonimitchell.com by Les. It sounds >>> hopeful and I for one am trying to keep the good hopes going. We played a ton >>> of Joni songs last night and it helped us all feel better and more hopeful. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Paz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 9:37 AM, gpkm6208@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>> I am very concerned and have been for a while now. You do not stay in a >>> hospital for this length of time unless you are critically ill. I have a >>> sense she might be on life support. Does anyone know who provides the info to >>> what is being called her "official website"? Peace, Gerry >>> >>> Sent from my HTC >>> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "Mary Pitassi" >>> To: "Anne Madden" >>> Cc: >>> Subject: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press >>> Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2015 9:35 AM >>> >>> Hi, Anne: >>> >>> The article that I just found, written by an AP entertainment writer, is >>> identical or very similar to one that I read very early this morning. Here's >>> the link: >>> >>> http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/joni-mitchells-website-singer-a >>> lert-recovery-expected-30667121 >>> >>> Mary. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Anne Madden" >>> To: "Mary Pitassi" >>> Cc: joni@smoe.org >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:07:51 AM >>> Subject: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press >>> >>> Check latest report on Joni from Associated Press and Canadian Press. Article >>> posted 40 mins ago which is quite detailed. >>> >>> Anne p> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Mary Pitassi wrote: >>>> >>>> To all: >>>> >>>> I'm glad our folks at jonimitchell.com provided us with additional >>> information to counteract the TMZ story. B However, after doing a little >>> digging, I have to admit that I'm still worried. B According to other >>> articles, TMZ's piece was based on documents filed with the court by Joni's >>> friend, Leslie Morris. B The quotes were from boxes checked and statements >>> made in those documents. >>>> >>>> Now, I may not be practicing law at the moment, but old habits die hard, and >>> my many years of training and practice tell me that legal documents are pretty >>> serious things. B I hope, for Joni's sake, that no one is embellishing the >>> truth in them. B I also hope that those statements and checked boxes don't >>> reflect Joni's current medical reality. >>>> >>>> But the only thing I can do now is wait, pray, and hope that Joni's >>> condition improves. . .whatever the specifics of it may be. >>>> >>>> Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:04:21 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press If Kilauren is making trips to LA how do we know she hasn't been appointed whatever-needs-to-be-appointed? We don't know and, really, it's none of our business. Joni will do, or has done, what she feels is best. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:01:05 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press I am still very worried (I feel like a family member which I am not so sure Joni would like). My experience tells me (although I am not a lawyer) as the CEO of the largest (at the time ) psychiatric hospital in Pennsylvania that you do not need to go to court if a person is cognizant and alert with sound mind, they can sign/assign a power of attorney, et al to work on their behalf. This leads me to believe Joni is in bad shape (very bad). My heart is so full with sadness as I am an oldie who has watched Joni (live) since her early days in the village then her early Philly work (second fret, philly folk festival, etc,) her jazzy and so forth. If any of you are law heads let me know if you think I am correct. Peace, Gerry Sent from my iPad > On Apr 29, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > > As far as I know from things on FB, Kilauren is in Los Angeles right now. > People who say "Joni has no family" don't know what they're talking about. > Kilauren and her kids were in LA not all that long ago, before Joni fell > ill, and I'm positive that Kilauren returned. > > As for the rest of whatever, I send best wishes to Joni and I have a little > thingy for her on the "Buddha altar" where I live. Otherwise I don't need > to know every detail of her situation. If she wanted the world to know > everything she has ways to get that news out. > > Lori > Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 03:31:38 +0000 (UTC) From: anne madden Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press I agree none of this is anyone's business but Enquiring Minds want to know, lol.Seriously, everyone shares the same concerns about her well being.B We all wish her a speedy recovery. Anne On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:25 PM, Lori Renee Fye wrote: If Kilauren is making trips to LA how do we know she hasn't been appointed whatever-needs-to-be-appointed?B We don't know and, really, it's none of our business.B Joni will do, or has done, what she feels is best. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 02:01:11 +0000 (UTC) From: anne madden Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press I never heard or read anything about "Joni not having a family".B B Sometimes things are taken out of context.B The report I read was that "Joni has no close family" and that is why her friend of 44 years was chosen by Joni to be her conservator.B I take this statement to be that Joni has no close family member living in LA who can make day to day decisions for her should the need arise.Just read some good news on a Joni MitchellB Facebook posted by Carol Lyman, check it out - hope it is true. Anne On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:25 PM, Lori Renee Fye wrote: As far as I know from things on FB, Kilauren is in Los Angeles right now. People who say "Joni has no family" don't know what they're talking about. Kilauren and her kids were in LA not all that long ago, before Joni fell ill, and I'm positive that Kilauren returned. As for the rest of whatever, I send best wishes to Joni and I have a little thingy for her on the "Buddha altar" where I live.B Otherwise I don't need to know every detail of her situation.B If she wanted the world to know everything she has ways to get that news out. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:15:47 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Music & The internet (NJC) $2.56 each* for 100 or more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:07:24 -0700 From: Victor Subject: Re: Music & The internet (NJC) Yes, I may start with a digital release and consider doing something physical when I'm doing more performances as opposed to restaurant/cafe gigs. Helpful to know though! I almost want to print CDs just for the cover art as I have an incredibly beautiful photo to use for the cover. Can't wait to get these songs out. The one written for Jerry is very much in a Beck "Morning Phase" vein and is going to be wicked cool. Victor in Bend NP: Tom Petty "Runnin' Down a Dream" (I really am running down a dream. It led me to Central Oregon) Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Michael Paz wrote: > > Best of luck with the new project. Can't wait to hear the tracks. You will be better off with digital in the long run unless you are doing lots of shows where you can sell merch. running 250 is going to be pricier than ordering 1000. Check with Freda tho as she has several places that she uses to press CD's and there is one in california that could work for you and not be so expensive. Freight is always a killer too. > > Best > > Paz > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: > > I'm back in the studio here in Bend after 13 years (I recorded > Parsonage Lane in 2002 in Asheville, produced by Chris Rosser.) I've > fallen into a great writing groove...6 songs written this past month > and I'm already working on another one after several years of trying > to find my muse again. It doesn't hurt being surrounded by incredible > natural beauty. One of the songs, "Willow Sky", was inspired by Jerry > Garcia and I think it will really resonate with fans of The Grateful > Dead. Another, "Kingdoms", honors the victims of the Boston Marathon. > A third, "Nightingale", was inspired by Hans Christian Anderson and > hints of Ave Maria (Schubert) and Chopin. > > Right now I'm just trying to get 4 or 5 songs done and get an "EP" > out. But there so many questions as to how I should release it. I've > thought about just going digital and not manufacturing CDs to cut down > on costs. But then do I make it exclusive to a specific store (CD > Baby, Bandcamp, etc...) or just do a general widespread digital > distribution? Or should I make a limited run of 250 CDs in a sleeve? > This is all on a shoestring budget of course. And completely comes > from love and a desire to build a body of work. And yet the struggle > to sustain myself financially is very real. > > Keeping faith in Bend, > Victor > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Laurie Antonioli > wrote: >> Guys, >> >> I feel kind of an obligation to chime in here. I've been on 3 different >> record labels and as well, have my own label that I put out "American >> Dreams" and reissued my first record "Soul Eyes" on. Because I have my >> own label, as do most artists these days (forget talking about the stars - >> they are the 1% or even .5% of all music - the top top top jazz artists >> like Cassandra Wilson are doing crowdfunding to make their records now) - >> the fact is this: the horse is out of the barn. We are, as musicians, >> excuse my French: fucked. Plain and simple. There is NO way I will ever >> in this life to recoup even 50% of the money spent on "Song of Shadow, >> Songs of Light" which by all appearances was a huge success for an Indie >> Artist. I am SO grateful that people bought the CD - it means a lot to me >> and also, at least a partial amount came back to me, however, making money >> is probably not in the stars. My label "Origin" is actually a co-op where >> I pay THEM to put out my music - it's just that I'm affiliated and they >> have contacts and manpower that I don't, here at my house. So I pay >> because I'm too busy to put out another release on my own. >> >> What I'm saying is: making records is purely for artistic documentation >> for lots of us. Not all. The kids make records in their home studios, >> climb in a van and make $300 at the door for the band in a night, sell 20 >> CD's and go to the next town. This is a fact. These kids get on YouTube >> and have a little presence for a year or two or three and then they are >> gone. >> >> For established artists, and I would consider myself that at this point, >> it's a matter of love and a desire to have a body of work. It's about >> staying power and longevity I am not going to climb in a van with my band >> -- who are all adults who've been in the business for their whole lives -- >> and play for the door. Ain't gonna happen. That model is out. The only >> possible thing that could "happen" is someone taking a strong interest in >> me and then donate time and energy (a lot of time and energy!) and pitch >> the band to festivals with huge audiences that might, just might, like us >> and buy some CD's. AND...honestly...we should start looking at little >> drives to sell rather than CD's pretty soon. Hauling around CD's is a >> drag, too. Do you know how heavy they are? We are in a digital world and >> even a CD is considered "analog" at this point - i.e. it's a tangible thing >> in the intangible world of streaming and downloading. >> >> BIG NOTE: We spend hours, days, weeks editing, mixing and mastering -- to >> get pristine sound - only to have it squashed into MP3's. It can take the >> wind out of your sails, I'm telling you! >> >> I have no solutions and will probably go down swinging i.e. I'll keep >> putting out CD's or recordings until I want to stop investing in my own art. >> >> Thanks for listening guys - it's important to hear from artists on these >> topics as we're in the trenches. Blackburn's comments were also spot on. >> >> Finally: even artists you "assume" are making a living these days very >> well may not be. EVEN if they are on tour. It's a crisis. I have a >> couple friends, like Bobby McFerrin who travels the world still - he has a >> global fan base and this continues. For now. He fills huge concert halls >> with thousands of people. I don't know many others, in my field, that have >> that going. Without naming names, you'd be shocked to know what musicians >> are going through right now.....all to say, people are running to the >> universities trying to secure teaching gigs. I've been in academia for 14 >> years now. And so it goes.... >> >> Yours -- >> >> Laurie >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:10 AM, wrote: >>> >>> Lori, >>> >>> I appreciate the rambling, or in this case, co-rambling. Interesting cases >>> with Ani & Jonatha, 2 artists that I adore. Ani didn't have much of a hand >>> up or out in her earliest days, she gigged non-stop and sold CD's out of >>> the trunk of her car. She started Righteous Babe records so that she could >>> control all of her business and be the main beneficiary. She's even put out >>> around a dozen or so live shows as she saw that there was a market for >>> them. She's enjoyed success on her own terms, has yet to ever have a "hit" >>> that I know of, and has totally retained her artistic integrity. >>> >>> Jonatha's story, to the best of my knowledge, hasn't been as rosy. >>> Immensely talented, she's been bounced from record company to company >>> because she's never racked up the sales to stay on anyone's roster for >>> long. She's posted some of the receipts she's gotten from the sites that >>> stream her music, and they are pitiful sums indeed. Not even enough to buy >>> a meal at Mickey D's. And this is Jonatha Brooke we're talking about. In a >>> right world, she should be a superstar. She's not starving but she hasn't >>> achieved the level of artistic success that she deserves. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> NP: Ane Brun, "To Let Myself Go" >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >>> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >>> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >>> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >>> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >>> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >>> this message is prohibited. 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