From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #2148 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 29 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 2148 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Music & The internet (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Catherine McKay ] Re: Music & The internet (NJC) [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Music & The internet (NJC) [Lori Renee Fye ] Hope Love Prayer Togetherness ... and Music . [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Joni [Shari Eaton ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Mary Pitassi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 15:51:24 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Music & The internet (NJC) Best of luck with the new project. Can't wait to hear the tracks. You will be better off with digital in the long run unless you are doing lots of shows where you can sell merch. running 250 is going to be pricier than ordering 1000. Check with Freda tho as she has several places that she uses to press CD's and there is one in california that could work for you and not be so expensive. Freight is always a killer too. Best Paz On Apr 28, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: I'm back in the studio here in Bend after 13 years (I recorded Parsonage Lane in 2002 in Asheville, produced by Chris Rosser.) I've fallen into a great writing groove...6 songs written this past month and I'm already working on another one after several years of trying to find my muse again. It doesn't hurt being surrounded by incredible natural beauty. One of the songs, "Willow Sky", was inspired by Jerry Garcia and I think it will really resonate with fans of The Grateful Dead. Another, "Kingdoms", honors the victims of the Boston Marathon. A third, "Nightingale", was inspired by Hans Christian Anderson and hints of Ave Maria (Schubert) and Chopin. Right now I'm just trying to get 4 or 5 songs done and get an "EP" out. But there so many questions as to how I should release it. I've thought about just going digital and not manufacturing CDs to cut down on costs. But then do I make it exclusive to a specific store (CD Baby, Bandcamp, etc...) or just do a general widespread digital distribution? Or should I make a limited run of 250 CDs in a sleeve? This is all on a shoestring budget of course. And completely comes from love and a desire to build a body of work. And yet the struggle to sustain myself financially is very real. Keeping faith in Bend, Victor On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Guys, > > I feel kind of an obligation to chime in here. I've been on 3 different > record labels and as well, have my own label that I put out "American > Dreams" and reissued my first record "Soul Eyes" on. Because I have my > own label, as do most artists these days (forget talking about the stars - > they are the 1% or even .5% of all music - the top top top jazz artists > like Cassandra Wilson are doing crowdfunding to make their records now) - > the fact is this: the horse is out of the barn. We are, as musicians, > excuse my French: fucked. Plain and simple. There is NO way I will ever > in this life to recoup even 50% of the money spent on "Song of Shadow, > Songs of Light" which by all appearances was a huge success for an Indie > Artist. I am SO grateful that people bought the CD - it means a lot to me > and also, at least a partial amount came back to me, however, making money > is probably not in the stars. My label "Origin" is actually a co-op where > I pay THEM to put out my music - it's just that I'm affiliated and they > have contacts and manpower that I don't, here at my house. So I pay > because I'm too busy to put out another release on my own. > > What I'm saying is: making records is purely for artistic documentation > for lots of us. Not all. The kids make records in their home studios, > climb in a van and make $300 at the door for the band in a night, sell 20 > CD's and go to the next town. This is a fact. These kids get on YouTube > and have a little presence for a year or two or three and then they are > gone. > > For established artists, and I would consider myself that at this point, > it's a matter of love and a desire to have a body of work. It's about > staying power and longevity I am not going to climb in a van with my band > -- who are all adults who've been in the business for their whole lives -- > and play for the door. Ain't gonna happen. That model is out. The only > possible thing that could "happen" is someone taking a strong interest in > me and then donate time and energy (a lot of time and energy!) and pitch > the band to festivals with huge audiences that might, just might, like us > and buy some CD's. AND...honestly...we should start looking at little > drives to sell rather than CD's pretty soon. Hauling around CD's is a > drag, too. Do you know how heavy they are? We are in a digital world and > even a CD is considered "analog" at this point - i.e. it's a tangible thing > in the intangible world of streaming and downloading. > > BIG NOTE: We spend hours, days, weeks editing, mixing and mastering -- to > get pristine sound - only to have it squashed into MP3's. It can take the > wind out of your sails, I'm telling you! > > I have no solutions and will probably go down swinging i.e. I'll keep > putting out CD's or recordings until I want to stop investing in my own art. > > Thanks for listening guys - it's important to hear from artists on these > topics as we're in the trenches. Blackburn's comments were also spot on. > > Finally: even artists you "assume" are making a living these days very > well may not be. EVEN if they are on tour. It's a crisis. I have a > couple friends, like Bobby McFerrin who travels the world still - he has a > global fan base and this continues. For now. He fills huge concert halls > with thousands of people. I don't know many others, in my field, that have > that going. Without naming names, you'd be shocked to know what musicians > are going through right now.....all to say, people are running to the > universities trying to secure teaching gigs. I've been in academia for 14 > years now. And so it goes.... > > Yours -- > > Laurie > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:10 AM, wrote: > >> Lori, >> >> I appreciate the rambling, or in this case, co-rambling. Interesting cases >> with Ani & Jonatha, 2 artists that I adore. Ani didn't have much of a hand >> up or out in her earliest days, she gigged non-stop and sold CD's out of >> the trunk of her car. She started Righteous Babe records so that she could >> control all of her business and be the main beneficiary. She's even put out >> around a dozen or so live shows as she saw that there was a market for >> them. She's enjoyed success on her own terms, has yet to ever have a "hit" >> that I know of, and has totally retained her artistic integrity. >> >> Jonatha's story, to the best of my knowledge, hasn't been as rosy. >> Immensely talented, she's been bounced from record company to company >> because she's never racked up the sales to stay on anyone's roster for >> long. She's posted some of the receipts she's gotten from the sites that >> stream her music, and they are pitiful sums indeed. Not even enough to buy >> a meal at Mickey D's. And this is Jonatha Brooke we're talking about. In a >> right world, she should be a superstar. She's not starving but she hasn't >> achieved the level of artistic success that she deserves. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Ane Brun, "To Let Myself Go" >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any and all >> computers and other devices. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:47:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press I feel weird talking about this, to be honest. None of this is any of our business. I find it bothersome that someone was apparently able to get hold of Joni's very personal information if indeed they got hold of a form about her. Get well, Joni, please. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Pitassi To: Marion Leffler Cc: Anne Madden ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press Marion: I, too, was struck by the statement that Joni has no family to care for her, or make these decisions on her behalf. However, that may simply be a statement of legal reality. Joni wrote in "Chinese Cafe," "my child's a stranger." We know that's not true, in everyday parlance, after her reunion with Kilauren almost twenty years ago. However, in a strictly legal sense, after the adoption in the mid-1960s, Kilauren is NOT Joni's daughter, and would have no standing to be consulted in decisions about her care or to make them unless Joni specifically gave those rights to her. I'm going to refrain from commenting on this for a awhile, and will simply concentrate on wishing Joni, and all those who care about her from around the world, the very best. Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 15:48:48 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press As far as I know from things on FB, Kilauren is in Los Angeles right now. People who say "Joni has no family" don't know what they're talking about. Kilauren and her kids were in LA not all that long ago, before Joni fell ill, and I'm positive that Kilauren returned. As for the rest of whatever, I send best wishes to Joni and I have a little thingy for her on the "Buddha altar" where I live. Otherwise I don't need to know every detail of her situation. If she wanted the world to know everything she has ways to get that news out. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:12:23 +0100 From: Joe Farrell Subject: re:Joni's health So relieved to see that report on jonimitchell.com about Joni's current condition.Though obviously still serious, given that she is still in hospital, it was much more hopeful than "Joni Mitchell Reportedly Unresponsive in a Coma". That subject line really shocked and upset me when i saw it. Thinking about her constantly. Get well soon Joni. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 14:17:19 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Music & The internet (NJC) Nationwide Disc are great. > On Apr 29, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Michael Paz wrote: > > Best of luck with the new project. Can't wait to hear the tracks. You will be > better off with digital in the long run unless you are doing lots of shows > where you can sell merch. running 250 is going to be pricier than ordering > 1000. Check with Freda tho as she has several places that she uses to press > CD's and there is one in california that could work for you and not be so > expensive. Freight is always a killer too. > > Best > > Paz > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: > > I'm back in the studio here in Bend after 13 years (I recorded > Parsonage Lane in 2002 in Asheville, produced by Chris Rosser.) I've > fallen into a great writing groove...6 songs written this past month > and I'm already working on another one after several years of trying > to find my muse again. It doesn't hurt being surrounded by incredible > natural beauty. One of the songs, "Willow Sky", was inspired by Jerry > Garcia and I think it will really resonate with fans of The Grateful > Dead. Another, "Kingdoms", honors the victims of the Boston Marathon. > A third, "Nightingale", was inspired by Hans Christian Anderson and > hints of Ave Maria (Schubert) and Chopin. > > Right now I'm just trying to get 4 or 5 songs done and get an "EP" > out. But there so many questions as to how I should release it. I've > thought about just going digital and not manufacturing CDs to cut down > on costs. But then do I make it exclusive to a specific store (CD > Baby, Bandcamp, etc...) or just do a general widespread digital > distribution? Or should I make a limited run of 250 CDs in a sleeve? > This is all on a shoestring budget of course. And completely comes > from love and a desire to build a body of work. And yet the struggle > to sustain myself financially is very real. > > Keeping faith in Bend, > Victor > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Laurie Antonioli > wrote: >> Guys, >> >> I feel kind of an obligation to chime in here. I've been on 3 different >> record labels and as well, have my own label that I put out "American >> Dreams" and reissued my first record "Soul Eyes" on. Because I have my >> own label, as do most artists these days (forget talking about the stars - >> they are the 1% or even .5% of all music - the top top top jazz artists >> like Cassandra Wilson are doing crowdfunding to make their records now) - >> the fact is this: the horse is out of the barn. We are, as musicians, >> excuse my French: fucked. Plain and simple. There is NO way I will ever >> in this life to recoup even 50% of the money spent on "Song of Shadow, >> Songs of Light" which by all appearances was a huge success for an Indie >> Artist. I am SO grateful that people bought the CD - it means a lot to me >> and also, at least a partial amount came back to me, however, making money >> is probably not in the stars. My label "Origin" is actually a co-op where >> I pay THEM to put out my music - it's just that I'm affiliated and they >> have contacts and manpower that I don't, here at my house. So I pay >> because I'm too busy to put out another release on my own. >> >> What I'm saying is: making records is purely for artistic documentation >> for lots of us. Not all. The kids make records in their home studios, >> climb in a van and make $300 at the door for the band in a night, sell 20 >> CD's and go to the next town. This is a fact. These kids get on YouTube >> and have a little presence for a year or two or three and then they are >> gone. >> >> For established artists, and I would consider myself that at this point, >> it's a matter of love and a desire to have a body of work. It's about >> staying power and longevity I am not going to climb in a van with my band >> -- who are all adults who've been in the business for their whole lives -- >> and play for the door. Ain't gonna happen. That model is out. The only >> possible thing that could "happen" is someone taking a strong interest in >> me and then donate time and energy (a lot of time and energy!) and pitch >> the band to festivals with huge audiences that might, just might, like us >> and buy some CD's. AND...honestly...we should start looking at little >> drives to sell rather than CD's pretty soon. Hauling around CD's is a >> drag, too. Do you know how heavy they are? We are in a digital world and >> even a CD is considered "analog" at this point - i.e. it's a tangible thing >> in the intangible world of streaming and downloading. >> >> BIG NOTE: We spend hours, days, weeks editing, mixing and mastering -- to >> get pristine sound - only to have it squashed into MP3's. It can take the >> wind out of your sails, I'm telling you! >> >> I have no solutions and will probably go down swinging i.e. I'll keep >> putting out CD's or recordings until I want to stop investing in my own > art. >> >> Thanks for listening guys - it's important to hear from artists on these >> topics as we're in the trenches. Blackburn's comments were also spot on. >> >> Finally: even artists you "assume" are making a living these days very >> well may not be. EVEN if they are on tour. It's a crisis. I have a >> couple friends, like Bobby McFerrin who travels the world still - he has a >> global fan base and this continues. For now. He fills huge concert halls >> with thousands of people. I don't know many others, in my field, that have >> that going. Without naming names, you'd be shocked to know what musicians >> are going through right now.....all to say, people are running to the >> universities trying to secure teaching gigs. I've been in academia for 14 >> years now. And so it goes.... >> >> Yours -- >> >> Laurie >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:10 AM, wrote: >> >>> Lori, >>> >>> I appreciate the rambling, or in this case, co-rambling. Interesting cases >>> with Ani & Jonatha, 2 artists that I adore. Ani didn't have much of a hand >>> up or out in her earliest days, she gigged non-stop and sold CD's out of >>> the trunk of her car. She started Righteous Babe records so that she could >>> control all of her business and be the main beneficiary. She's even put > out >>> around a dozen or so live shows as she saw that there was a market for >>> them. She's enjoyed success on her own terms, has yet to ever have a "hit" >>> that I know of, and has totally retained her artistic integrity. >>> >>> Jonatha's story, to the best of my knowledge, hasn't been as rosy. >>> Immensely talented, she's been bounced from record company to company >>> because she's never racked up the sales to stay on anyone's roster for >>> long. She's posted some of the receipts she's gotten from the sites that >>> stream her music, and they are pitiful sums indeed. Not even enough to buy >>> a meal at Mickey D's. And this is Jonatha Brooke we're talking about. In a >>> right world, she should be a superstar. She's not starving but she hasn't >>> achieved the level of artistic success that she deserves. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> NP: Ane Brun, "To Let Myself Go" >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >>> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >>> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >>> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >>> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >>> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >>> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >>> contact the sender and delete the material from any and all >>> computers and other devices. >>> >>> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >>> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:15:17 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Music & The internet (NJC) > You will be better off with digital in the long run unless you are doing lots of shows where you can sell merch. Has anyone considered selling flash drives containing the music you'd like to sell at a performance? I don't know what CD pressing costs so maybe flash drives wouldn't be more economical but I'm seeing 128MB flash drives online for $2.56 for 100 or more. Of course people who buy CDs often want the booklet if the CD contains one but some CDs contain only a single-page cover. Just a thought. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:46:27 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Hope Love Prayer Togetherness ... and Music . > From: "Susan E. McNamara" > > Hope Love Prayer Togetherness ... and Music ... it's what we all need. Daylight falls upon the path ... Thanks Paz! The forest falls behind Sue, you inspired me to read her lyrics . I like to feel her lyrics right now . . So I thought I would post them. We are at this place together . . Caring and wondering and listening and feeling and hoping and praying . . . March, April, May 2015. Wishing and asking for the very best . . . what ever that may be . . . I Think I Understand Daylight falls upon the path The forest falls behind Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty The shadow trembles in its wrath I've robbed its blackness blind And tasted sunlight as my fear came clear to me I think I understand Fear is like a wilderland Stepping stones or sinking sand Now the way leads to the hills Above the steeple's chime Below me sleepy rooftops round the harbor It's there I'll take my thirsty fill Of friendship over wine Forgetting fear but never disregarding her Oh, I think I understand Fear is like a wilderland Stepping stones or sinking sand Sometimes voices in the night Will call me back again Back along the pathway of a troubled mind When forests rise to block the light That keeps a traveler sane I'll challenge them with flashes from a brighter time Oh, I think I understand Fear is like a wilderland Stepping stones and sinking sand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:46:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Just one of the reasons why you are awesome, Victor! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor To: Michael Paz Cc: "gpkm6208@comcast.net" ; Mary Pitassi ; Anne Madden ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 1:15 PM Subject: Joni Today at the preschool where I teach music full-time, I am playing Joni all day. We are also going to color some large banners with intentions of love and healing. Victor in Bend Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 14:09:24 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni CUTE get some photos!! > On Apr 29, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Victor wrote: > > Today at the preschool where I teach music full-time, I am playing Joni all day. We are also going to color some large banners with intentions of love and healing. > > Victor in Bend > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 29, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Michael Paz wrote: >> >> The official word was posted last night on jonimitchell.com by Les. It sounds >> hopeful and I for one am trying to keep the good hopes going. We played a ton >> of Joni songs last night and it helped us all feel better and more hopeful. >> >> Best >> >> Paz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2015, at 9:37 AM, gpkm6208@comcast.net wrote: >> >> I am very concerned and have been for a while now. You do not stay in a >> hospital for this length of time unless you are critically ill. I have a >> sense she might be on life support. Does anyone know who provides the info to >> what is being called her "official website"? Peace, Gerry >> >> Sent from my HTC >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Mary Pitassi" >> To: "Anne Madden" >> Cc: >> Subject: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press >> Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2015 9:35 AM >> >> Hi, Anne: >> >> The article that I just found, written by an AP entertainment writer, is >> identical or very similar to one that I read very early this morning. Here's >> the link: >> >> http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/joni-mitchells-website-singer-a >> lert-recovery-expected-30667121 >> >> Mary. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Madden" >> To: "Mary Pitassi" >> Cc: joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:07:51 AM >> Subject: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press >> >> Check latest report on Joni from Associated Press and Canadian Press. Article >> posted 40 mins ago which is quite detailed. >> >> Anne p> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Mary Pitassi wrote: >>> >>> To all: >>> >>> I'm glad our folks at jonimitchell.com provided us with additional >> information to counteract the TMZ story. B However, after doing a little >> digging, I have to admit that I'm still worried. B According to other >> articles, TMZ's piece was based on documents filed with the court by Joni's >> friend, Leslie Morris. B The quotes were from boxes checked and statements >> made in those documents. >>> >>> Now, I may not be practicing law at the moment, but old habits die hard, and >> my many years of training and practice tell me that legal documents are pretty >> serious things. B I hope, for Joni's sake, that no one is embellishing the >> truth in them. B I also hope that those statements and checked boxes don't >> reflect Joni's current medical reality. >>> >>> But the only thing I can do now is wait, pray, and hope that Joni's >> condition improves. . .whatever the specifics of it may be. >>> >>> Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:51:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press Marion: I, too, was struck by the statement that Joni has no family to care for her, or make these decisions on her behalf. However, that may simply be a statement of legal reality. Joni wrote in "Chinese Cafe," "my child's a stranger." We know that's not true, in everyday parlance, after her reunion with Kilauren almost twenty years ago. However, in a strictly legal sense, after the adoption in the mid-1960s, Kilauren is NOT Joni's daughter, and would have no standing to be consulted in decisions about her care or to make them unless Joni specifically gave those rights to her. I'm going to refrain from commenting on this for a awhile, and will simply concentrate on wishing Joni, and all those who care about her from around the world, the very best. Mary. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Leffler" To: "Anne Madden" Cc: "Mary Pitassi" , joni@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 9:21:55 AM Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press Reading the news and it sure looks bad . I must say I am very concerned. She has been in hospital for a month now so it must be extremely serious judging from that fact alone. So sad to read that she has no family to act on her part. I wonder how her daughter feels about that. Nothing we can do but hope and those of us who believe in the power of prayers can do that. Me, I don't know where they would have to go. Marion in Sweden 2015-04-29 15:48 GMT+02:00 Anne Madden < anne.madden@rogers.com > : Thanks Mary. Yes, article is same. Sounds extremely serious. Anne p > Sent from my iPad > On Apr 29, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Mary Pitassi < mep@chorus.net > wrote: > > Hi, Anne: > > The article that I just found, written by an AP entertainment writer, is identical or very similar to one that I read very early this morning. Here's the link: > > http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/joni-mitchells-website-singer-alert-recovery-expected-30667121 > > Mary. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Madden" < anne.madden@rogers.com > > To: "Mary Pitassi" < mep@chorus.net > > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:07:51 AM > Subject: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press > > Check latest report on Joni from Associated Press and Canadian Press. Article posted 40 mins ago which is quite detailed. > > Anne p > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 29, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Mary Pitassi < mep@chorus.net > wrote: >> >> To all: >> >> I'm glad our folks at jonimitchell.com provided us with additional information to counteract the TMZ story. B However, after doing a little digging, I have to admit that I'm still worried. B According to other articles, TMZ's piece was based on documents filed with the court by Joni's friend, Leslie Morris. B The quotes were from boxes checked and statements made in those documents. >> >> Now, I may not be practicing law at the moment, but old habits die hard, and my many years of training and practice tell me that legal documents are pretty serious things. B I hope, for Joni's sake, that no one is embellishing the truth in them. B I also hope that those statements and checked boxes don't reflect Joni's current medical reality. >> >> But the only thing I can do now is wait, pray, and hope that Joni's condition improves. . .whatever the specifics of it may be. >> >> Mary P. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #2148 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------