From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #2045 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 17 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 2045 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Fountain of sorrow [Anita Gabrielle ] RE: Fountain of sorrow ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Daisy, njc ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:44:17 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Fountain of sorrow Catherine wrote: > > And, quoting Joni: > > "I always thought the women of song don't get along, and I don't know why that is. I had a hard time with Laura Nyro also, and Joan Baez would have broken my leg if she could, or at least that's the way it felt as a person coming out [on to the music scene]. I never felt that same sense of competition from men." Having found myself prepared to battle tooth and nail to defend Joni these past weeks, these kinds of quotes about her difficult relationships with women and, of course, her notorious lack of relationship to feminism, are the points at which I have always felt my most disappointed. Having talked about the amount of projection and transference Joni has to contend with, I wonder if these are Joni's projections? Maybe, maybe not, but it is sad that she has felt so unsupported and, in fact, in competition with other women. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 19:02:31 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Fountain of sorrow I agree Dave that this seems to be her way of operating. She is very successful and the obvious outpouring of love on twitter and facebook since her illness attest this. It's interesting though, that the Philly article said that even her most ardent fans would say that her greatest work was decades behind her. Yeah, she's 71 ... she's been making music for 50 years ... Why are these articles dissing her like this? What is she doing/not doing and does it matter? I want to bring up Dylan but I won't ... the female/male thing infuriates me. - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@att.net] Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 2:10 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: Anita G; Catherine McKay; Marion Leffler; Mark Scott; jmdl Subject: Re: Fountain of sorrow In my view, Joni made up her mind early on that she stood alone; it became her shield and her weapon throughout her life. This gave her a pre-made reason why she could not be understood by her peers or by critics, with the men baffled by the originality, and the women jealous of her skill and attractiveness. She drew strength and ultimately loneliness from this self-view and it stands strong as ever today. It may have felt this way to her, but in reality many people get her skill and brilliance, male and female, and she is not alone in having beauty and brains in this very large world. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 05:54:17 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Daisy, njc I found on rather salacious article that mentions Kilauren's daughter dated in 2001. So she must be a young teenager by now. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 8:14 PM To: JMDL Subject: Daisy, njc I think Daisy is one of Kilauren/Kelly's kids, right? In the last picture I saw, she was about four years old. How long has it been? Jim ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #2045 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------