From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #203 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 13 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 203 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Song for Sharon question [Sally ] Re: Song for Sharon question [Anita ] Re: Song for Sharon question [Shari Eaton ] Re: Song for Sharon question [Anita ] RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #193 Illness NJC [Mary ] Mon pays, Mes Chansons ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:18:23 -0500 From: Sally Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question Hi all! I just can't resist a quick comment on the jewelry images that Dave shared...amazing and thanks for that, Dave. The second image showing the snake and the plane and the geography. Wow, I thought it interesting that you said that Max Bennett said that those were made to commemorate HOSL. I got an immediate feel of > On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Anita wrote: > > Wow, Robin got to wear it! Weren't you tempted to wear it yourself, Dave? The band were all men. > > Anita > >> On 13 Feb 2014, at 18:18, Dave Blackburn wrote: >> >> Yes, Joni designed it. >> >> >>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Anita wrote: >>> >>> I just love this list when you get something, like this jewellery, that is just so interesting. What a gift for your band. I wonder if other musicians give their bands something so unique. Like Sue, I wonder if it Joni's design. So glad you took some pictures,Dave. >>> >>> Glad it's "balmy" in Fullbrook. My Mum's old house and the council estate where I grew up was just on the national news. It's under water and the entire area, including my old school is submerged. The rain and winds just keep coming and coming. >>> Anita >>>> e.net; JMDL JMDL >>>> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question >>>> >>>> And, in true Joni fashion Id be pretty sure that the apple and snake are literally a piece of jewelry that she designed and had made. Max Bennett showed us the medallion she designed and had fashioned, and gave as gifts to her L.A Express members. It was an elaborate two-sided design with iconography from the songs of The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Rather than describe it in detail, here are my close ups of it: >>>> >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cw339ymjshlqqn4/YaWYkP4zlC >>>> >>>> barmy and balmy in Fallbrook, >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Bob Muller wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, it's definitely a reference to the biblical tale of Adam & Eve, >>>>> with the "apple of temptation" and the snake and all that. >>>>> >>>>> The verse starts with Joni >>>>> rattling off what Sharon has that Joni perhaps craved at one point, >>>>> but the devilish snake (the diamonds representing wealth possibly) and >>>>> the apple (fruit of knowledge) are too strong a draw for her to accept >>>>> the status quo for herself and doing what she's told, or what's expected of her by others. >>>>> Bob, snow-slammed in in SC but warm & safe >>>>> >>>>> NP: Dianne Reeves, "Waiting In >>>>> Vain" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Shari Eaton >>>>> >>>>> To: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >>>>> >>>>> Cc: joni >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February >>>>> 13, 2014 7:09 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To buy myself a >>>>> man(dolin) >>>>> >>>>> Well I do (accept the changes) >>>>> >>>>> Definitely agree it's about her >>>>> coming to terms with her inability to have a devoted love relationship >>>>> due to her career. >>>>> >>>>> The diamond snake image makes me think of For the Roses. She says her >>>>> career provides her with things she's not ready to give up, though she >>>>> feels she suffers from the consequences of it. The riches in the >>>>> diamonds and the clutching grasp of a snake on her arm like an ankle >>>>> monitor of an at home prisoner. >>>>> >>>>> The apple of temptation is fairly straightforward I suppose. >>>>> I always equate apple to knowledge and think of it positively but it's >>>>> likely related to desire to know men in a sexual way. >>>>> >>>>> - Shari >>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at >>>>>> 12:47 AM, "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" wrote: >>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that the protagonist(Joni)is saying that she has too many >>>>> romantic and sexual opportunities (apple of temptation)and I think >>>>>> that >>>>> the diamond snake is vanity (diamond -reference to diamond ring) >>>>>> and snake >>>>> is selfishness and unreliability. >>>>>> As the whole song is about >>>>> justification of her life choices /coming to terms with the >>>>> realisation >>>>> that she has lost the opportunity to have a life similar to Sharon,it >>>>>> is an >>>>> either or metaphor in a song stuffed with direct comparisons >>>>>> between their >>>>> lives. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ----Original Message---- >>>>>>> From: >>>>> shari@sharieaton.com >>>>>>> Date: 13/02/2014 04:44 >>>>>>> To: "joni" >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subj: Song for Sharon question >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just curious .. How do you interpret >>>>>> her saying 'I've got the apple of temptation and a diamond snake >>>>>> around >>>>> my arm.' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Shari ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:42:53 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question Wow, Robin got to wear it! Weren't you tempted to wear it yourself, Dave? The band were all men. Anita On 13 Feb 2014, at 18:18, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Yes, Joni designed it. > > > On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Anita wrote: > >> I just love this list when you get something, like this jewellery, that is just so interesting. What a gift for your band. I wonder if other musicians give their bands something so unique. Like Sue, I wonder if it Joni's design. So glad you took some pictures,Dave. >> >> Glad it's "balmy" in Fullbrook. My Mum's old house and the council estate where I grew up was just on the national news. It's under water and the entire area, including my old school is submerged. The rain and winds just keep coming and coming. >> Anita >>> e.net; JMDL JMDL >>> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question >>> >>> And, in true Joni fashion Id be pretty sure that the apple and snake are literally a piece of jewelry that she designed and had made. Max Bennett showed us the medallion she designed and had fashioned, and gave as gifts to her L.A Express members. It was an elaborate two-sided design with iconography from the songs of The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Rather than describe it in detail, here are my close ups of it: >>> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cw339ymjshlqqn4/YaWYkP4zlC >>> >>> barmy and balmy in Fallbrook, >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Bob Muller wrote: >>> >>>> Well, it's definitely a reference to the biblical tale of Adam & Eve, >>>> with the "apple of temptation" and the snake and all that. >>>> >>>> The verse starts with Joni >>>> rattling off what Sharon has that Joni perhaps craved at one point, >>>> but the devilish snake (the diamonds representing wealth possibly) and >>>> the apple (fruit of knowledge) are too strong a draw for her to accept >>>> the status quo for herself and doing what she's told, or what's expected of her by others. >>>> Bob, snow-slammed in in SC but warm & safe >>>> >>>> NP: Dianne Reeves, "Waiting In >>>> Vain" >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Shari Eaton >>>> >>>> To: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >>>> >>>> Cc: joni >>>> Sent: Thursday, February >>>> 13, 2014 7:09 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question >>>> >>>> >>>> To buy myself a >>>> man(dolin) >>>> >>>> Well I do (accept the changes) >>>> >>>> Definitely agree it's about her >>>> coming to terms with her inability to have a devoted love relationship >>>> due to her career. >>>> >>>> The diamond snake image makes me think of For the Roses. She says her >>>> career provides her with things she's not ready to give up, though she >>>> feels she suffers from the consequences of it. The riches in the >>>> diamonds and the clutching grasp of a snake on her arm like an ankle >>>> monitor of an at home prisoner. >>>> >>>> The apple of temptation is fairly straightforward I suppose. >>>> I always equate apple to knowledge and think of it positively but it's >>>> likely related to desire to know men in a sexual way. >>>> >>>> - Shari >>>> >>>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at >>>> 12:47 AM, "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> I think that the protagonist(Joni)is saying that she has too many >>>>> >>>> romantic and sexual opportunities (apple of temptation)and I think >>>>> that >>>> the diamond snake is vanity (diamond -reference to diamond ring) >>>>> and snake >>>> is selfishness and unreliability. >>>>> As the whole song is about >>>>> >>>> justification of her life choices /coming to terms with the >>>> realisation >>>>> >>>> that she has lost the opportunity to have a life similar to Sharon,it >>>>> is an >>>> either or metaphor in a song stuffed with direct comparisons >>>>> between their >>>> lives. >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ----Original Message---- >>>>>> From: >>>>> >>>> shari@sharieaton.com >>>>>> Date: 13/02/2014 04:44 >>>>>> To: "joni" >>>>> >>>>>> Subj: Song for Sharon question >>>>>> >>>>>> Just curious .. How do you interpret >>>>> her saying 'I've got the apple of temptation and a diamond snake >>>>> around >>>>> >>>> my arm.' >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - Shari ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:23:12 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question So cool of you to share! Makes me glad I asked this rather obvious question :) - - Shari > On Feb 13, 2014, at 6:03 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > And, in true Joni fashion Id be pretty sure that the apple and snake are literally a piece of jewelry that she designed and had made. Max Bennett showed us the medallion she designed and had fashioned, and gave as gifts to her L.A Express members. It was an elaborate two-sided design with iconography from the songs of The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Rather than describe it in detail, here are my close ups of it: > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cw339ymjshlqqn4/YaWYkP4zlC > > barmy and balmy in Fallbrook, > > Dave > > > >> On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Bob Muller wrote: >> >> Well, it's definitely a reference to the biblical tale of Adam & Eve, with the >> "apple of temptation" and the snake and all that. >> >> The verse starts with Joni >> rattling off what Sharon has that Joni perhaps craved at one point, but the >> devilish snake (the diamonds representing wealth possibly) and the apple >> (fruit of knowledge) are too strong a draw for her to accept the status quo >> for herself and doing what she's told, or what's expected of her by others. >> Bob, snow-slammed in in SC but warm & safe >> >> NP: Dianne Reeves, "Waiting In >> Vain" >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Shari Eaton >> >> To: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> >> Cc: joni >> Sent: Thursday, February >> 13, 2014 7:09 AM >> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question >> >> >> To buy myself a >> man(dolin) >> >> Well I do (accept the changes) >> >> Definitely agree it's about her >> coming to terms with her inability to have a devoted love relationship due to >> her career. >> >> The diamond snake image makes me think of For the Roses. She >> says her career provides her with things she's not ready to give up, though >> she feels she suffers from the consequences of it. The riches in the diamonds >> and the clutching grasp of a snake on her arm like an ankle monitor of an at >> home prisoner. >> >> The apple of temptation is fairly straightforward I suppose. >> I always equate apple to knowledge and think of it positively but it's likely >> related to desire to know men in a sexual way. >> >> - Shari >> >>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at >>> 12:47 AM, "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" wrote: >> All, >>> >>> I think that the protagonist(Joni)is saying that she has too many >> romantic and sexual opportunities (apple of temptation)and I think >>> that >> the diamond snake is vanity (diamond -reference to diamond ring) >>> and snake >> is selfishness and unreliability. >>> As the whole song is about >> justification of her life choices /coming to terms with the realisation >> that she has lost the opportunity to have a life similar to Sharon,it >>> is an >> either or metaphor in a song stuffed with direct comparisons >>> between their >> lives. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>>> ----Original Message---- >>>> From: >> shari@sharieaton.com >>>> Date: 13/02/2014 04:44 >>>> To: "joni" >>> >>>> Subj: Song for Sharon question >>>> >>>> Just curious .. How do you interpret >>> her saying 'I've got the apple of temptation and a diamond snake around >> my arm.' >>>> >>>> >>>> - Shari ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:03:29 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question I just love this list when you get something, like this jewellery, that is just so interesting. What a gift for your band. I wonder if other musicians give their bands something so unique. Like Sue, I wonder if it Joni's design. So glad you took some pictures,Dave. Glad it's "balmy" in Fullbrook. My Mum's old house and the council estate where I grew up was just on the national news. It's under water and the entire area, including my old school is submerged. The rain and winds just keep coming and coming. Anita > e.net; JMDL JMDL > Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question > > And, in true Joni fashion Id be pretty sure that the apple and snake are literally a piece of jewelry that she designed and had made. Max Bennett showed us the medallion she designed and had fashioned, and gave as gifts to her L.A Express members. It was an elaborate two-sided design with iconography from the songs of The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Rather than describe it in detail, here are my close ups of it: > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cw339ymjshlqqn4/YaWYkP4zlC > > barmy and balmy in Fallbrook, > > Dave > > > > On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > >> Well, it's definitely a reference to the biblical tale of Adam & Eve, >> with the "apple of temptation" and the snake and all that. >> >> The verse starts with Joni >> rattling off what Sharon has that Joni perhaps craved at one point, >> but the devilish snake (the diamonds representing wealth possibly) and >> the apple (fruit of knowledge) are too strong a draw for her to accept >> the status quo for herself and doing what she's told, or what's expected of her by others. >> Bob, snow-slammed in in SC but warm & safe >> >> NP: Dianne Reeves, "Waiting In >> Vain" >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Shari Eaton >> >> To: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> >> Cc: joni >> Sent: Thursday, February >> 13, 2014 7:09 AM >> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question >> >> >> To buy myself a >> man(dolin) >> >> Well I do (accept the changes) >> >> Definitely agree it's about her >> coming to terms with her inability to have a devoted love relationship >> due to her career. >> >> The diamond snake image makes me think of For the Roses. She says her >> career provides her with things she's not ready to give up, though she >> feels she suffers from the consequences of it. The riches in the >> diamonds and the clutching grasp of a snake on her arm like an ankle >> monitor of an at home prisoner. >> >> The apple of temptation is fairly straightforward I suppose. >> I always equate apple to knowledge and think of it positively but it's >> likely related to desire to know men in a sexual way. >> >> - Shari >> >>> On Feb 13, 2014, at >> 12:47 AM, "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" wrote: >>> >>> >> All, >>> >>> I think that the protagonist(Joni)is saying that she has too many >>> >> romantic and sexual opportunities (apple of temptation)and I think >>> that >> the diamond snake is vanity (diamond -reference to diamond ring) >>> and snake >> is selfishness and unreliability. >>> As the whole song is about >>> >> justification of her life choices /coming to terms with the >> realisation >>> >> that she has lost the opportunity to have a life similar to Sharon,it >>> is an >> either or metaphor in a song stuffed with direct comparisons >>> between their >> lives. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>>> ----Original Message---- >>>> From: >>> >> shari@sharieaton.com >>>> Date: 13/02/2014 04:44 >>>> To: "joni" >>> >>>> Subj: Song for Sharon question >>>> >>>> Just curious .. How do you interpret >>> her saying 'I've got the apple of temptation and a diamond snake >>> around >>> >> my arm.' >>>> >>>> >>>> - Shari ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:16:54 -0800 From: Mary Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #193 Illness NJC Dear Mark, Thank you for posting this blog. Very sensitive, very moving. Music moves even the beast inside us, doesn't it ? GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:25:04 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #193 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, February 10 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 193 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > The power of music njc ["Mark" ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:13:42 -0800 > From: "Mark" > Subject: The power of music njc > > This blog piece is a powerful snap shot of someone battling cancer and also > of the power of music. Certain pieces of music absorb my attention almost > to the point of where I can't hear them in a social setting and keep track > of a conversation. Others induce tears, sometimes for no apparent reason > other than just the beauty or ambience of their sounds. Of course, Joni has > created more of these pieces of music that affect me this way than anyone > else. > > It must be a great challenge to face life without the buffers and filters > that keep emotions in check for most of us in social interactions. > > http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/23/living-with-cancer-life-of-the-party /?smid=fb-share > > Mark in Seattle > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #193 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:52:24 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Mon pays, Mes Chansons It's probably been brought up here before, but it occurred to me while watching a link posted on the Facebook Fan Page that there were recordings made in some kind of studio of Joni performing 'Play Little David' and 'Born to Take the Highway' for two of the four video segments she appeared in on Canadian television in 1966. Joni was lip synching to pre-recorded performances in those videos. I wonder if those still exist and what kind of quality the recordings would have been when they were made? Of course, she was also recorded doing 'The Circle Game' and 'Urge For Going' for 'Mon Pays, Mes Chanson', a couple of years before her first album was released on the Reprise label. http://dangerousminds.net/comments/stunning_color_footage_of_a_young_joni_mitchell_1966 Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #203 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------