From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #202 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 13 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 202 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Song for Sharon question ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Song for Sharon question [Shari Eaton ] Re: Song for Sharon question [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Song for Sharon question [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:13:46 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Song for Sharon question Was that based on her own artwork, Dave? Beautiful!! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:03 AM To: Bob Muller Cc: Shari Eaton; johnnybgoode@lineone.net; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question And, in true Joni fashion Id be pretty sure that the apple and snake are literally a piece of jewelry that she designed and had made. Max Bennett showed us the medallion she designed and had fashioned, and gave as gifts to her L.A Express members. It was an elaborate two-sided design with iconography from the songs of The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Rather than describe it in detail, here are my close ups of it: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cw339ymjshlqqn4/YaWYkP4zlC barmy and balmy in Fallbrook, Dave On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > Well, it's definitely a reference to the biblical tale of Adam & Eve, > with the "apple of temptation" and the snake and all that. > > The verse starts with Joni > rattling off what Sharon has that Joni perhaps craved at one point, > but the devilish snake (the diamonds representing wealth possibly) and > the apple (fruit of knowledge) are too strong a draw for her to accept > the status quo for herself and doing what she's told, or what's expected of her by others. > Bob, snow-slammed in in SC but warm & safe > > NP: Dianne Reeves, "Waiting In > Vain" > > > ________________________________ > From: Shari Eaton > > To: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > > Cc: joni > Sent: Thursday, February > 13, 2014 7:09 AM > Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question > > > To buy myself a > man(dolin) > > Well I do (accept the changes) > > Definitely agree it's about her > coming to terms with her inability to have a devoted love relationship > due to her career. > > The diamond snake image makes me think of For the Roses. She says her > career provides her with things she's not ready to give up, though she > feels she suffers from the consequences of it. The riches in the > diamonds and the clutching grasp of a snake on her arm like an ankle > monitor of an at home prisoner. > > The apple of temptation is fairly straightforward I suppose. > I always equate apple to knowledge and think of it positively but it's > likely related to desire to know men in a sexual way. > > - Shari > >> On Feb 13, 2014, at > 12:47 AM, "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" wrote: >> >> > All, >> >> I think that the protagonist(Joni)is saying that she has too many >> > romantic and sexual opportunities (apple of temptation)and I think >> that > the diamond snake is vanity (diamond -reference to diamond ring) >> and snake > is selfishness and unreliability. >> As the whole song is about >> > justification of her life choices /coming to terms with the > realisation >> > that she has lost the opportunity to have a life similar to Sharon,it >> is an > either or metaphor in a song stuffed with direct comparisons >> between their > lives. >> >> John >> >> >>> ----Original Message---- >>> From: >> > shari@sharieaton.com >>> Date: 13/02/2014 04:44 >>> To: "joni" >> >>> Subj: Song for Sharon question >>> >>> Just curious .. How do you interpret >> her saying 'I've got the apple of temptation and a diamond snake >> around >> > my arm.' >>> >>> >>> - Shari ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:15:14 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question Get a load of the beak on that plane, and the snake train! Was this around the time of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter recording? - - Shari > On Feb 13, 2014, at 6:03 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > And, in true Joni fashion Id be pretty sure that the apple and snake are literally a piece of jewelry that she designed and had made. Max Bennett showed us the medallion she designed and had fashioned, and gave as gifts to her L.A Express members. It was an elaborate two-sided design with iconography from the songs of The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Rather than describe it in detail, here are my close ups of it: > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cw339ymjshlqqn4/YaWYkP4zlC > > barmy and balmy in Fallbrook, > > Dave > > > >> On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Bob Muller wrote: >> >> Well, it's definitely a reference to the biblical tale of Adam & Eve, with the >> "apple of temptation" and the snake and all that. >> >> The verse starts with Joni >> rattling off what Sharon has that Joni perhaps craved at one point, but the >> devilish snake (the diamonds representing wealth possibly) and the apple >> (fruit of knowledge) are too strong a draw for her to accept the status quo >> for herself and doing what she's told, or what's expected of her by others. >> Bob, snow-slammed in in SC but warm & safe >> >> NP: Dianne Reeves, "Waiting In >> Vain" >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Shari Eaton >> >> To: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> >> Cc: joni >> Sent: Thursday, February >> 13, 2014 7:09 AM >> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question >> >> >> To buy myself a >> man(dolin) >> >> Well I do (accept the changes) >> >> Definitely agree it's about her >> coming to terms with her inability to have a devoted love relationship due to >> her career. >> >> The diamond snake image makes me think of For the Roses. She >> says her career provides her with things she's not ready to give up, though >> she feels she suffers from the consequences of it. The riches in the diamonds >> and the clutching grasp of a snake on her arm like an ankle monitor of an at >> home prisoner. >> >> The apple of temptation is fairly straightforward I suppose. >> I always equate apple to knowledge and think of it positively but it's likely >> related to desire to know men in a sexual way. >> >> - Shari >> >>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at >>> 12:47 AM, "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" wrote: >> All, >>> >>> I think that the protagonist(Joni)is saying that she has too many >> romantic and sexual opportunities (apple of temptation)and I think >>> that >> the diamond snake is vanity (diamond -reference to diamond ring) >>> and snake >> is selfishness and unreliability. >>> As the whole song is about >> justification of her life choices /coming to terms with the realisation >> that she has lost the opportunity to have a life similar to Sharon,it >>> is an >> either or metaphor in a song stuffed with direct comparisons >>> between their >> lives. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>>> ----Original Message---- >>>> From: >> shari@sharieaton.com >>>> Date: 13/02/2014 04:44 >>>> To: "joni" >>> >>>> Subj: Song for Sharon question >>>> >>>> Just curious .. How do you interpret >>> her saying 'I've got the apple of temptation and a diamond snake around >> my arm.' >>>> >>>> >>>> - Shari ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:03:19 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question Yes, Sue, Joni found a jewelry maker in L.A and designed the medallion using images from her lyrics : plane,snake, eagle, Western hemisphere, lion, mermaid, ruby She had them made in 1975 as a gift to her band members, and Max wife Teri let Robin wear it when we performed Blue and Court and Spark in 2011 as a talisman for the show. Thats why I think she had an arm bracelet made by the same craftswoman with the diamond snake and the apple a year later. On Feb 13, 2014, at 8:13 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Was that based on her own artwork, Dave? Beautiful!! > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:03 AM > To: Bob Muller > Cc: Shari Eaton; johnnybgoode@lineone.net; JMDL JMDL > Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question > > And, in true Joni fashion Id be pretty sure that the apple and snake are literally a piece of jewelry that she designed and had made. Max Bennett showed us the medallion she designed and had fashioned, and gave as gifts to her L.A Express members. It was an elaborate two-sided design with iconography from the songs of The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Rather than describe it in detail, here are my close ups of it: > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cw339ymjshlqqn4/YaWYkP4zlC > > barmy and balmy in Fallbrook, > > Dave > > > > On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > >> Well, it's definitely a reference to the biblical tale of Adam & Eve, >> with the "apple of temptation" and the snake and all that. >> >> The verse starts with Joni >> rattling off what Sharon has that Joni perhaps craved at one point, >> but the devilish snake (the diamonds representing wealth possibly) and >> the apple (fruit of knowledge) are too strong a draw for her to accept >> the status quo for herself and doing what she's told, or what's expected of her by others. >> Bob, snow-slammed in in SC but warm & safe >> >> NP: Dianne Reeves, "Waiting In >> Vain" >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Shari Eaton >> >> To: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> >> Cc: joni >> Sent: Thursday, February >> 13, 2014 7:09 AM >> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question >> >> >> To buy myself a >> man(dolin) >> >> Well I do (accept the changes) >> >> Definitely agree it's about her >> coming to terms with her inability to have a devoted love relationship >> due to her career. >> >> The diamond snake image makes me think of For the Roses. She says her >> career provides her with things she's not ready to give up, though she >> feels she suffers from the consequences of it. The riches in the >> diamonds and the clutching grasp of a snake on her arm like an ankle >> monitor of an at home prisoner. >> >> The apple of temptation is fairly straightforward I suppose. >> I always equate apple to knowledge and think of it positively but it's >> likely related to desire to know men in a sexual way. >> >> - Shari >> >>> On Feb 13, 2014, at >> 12:47 AM, "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" wrote: >>> >>> >> All, >>> >>> I think that the protagonist(Joni)is saying that she has too many >>> >> romantic and sexual opportunities (apple of temptation)and I think >>> that >> the diamond snake is vanity (diamond -reference to diamond ring) >>> and snake >> is selfishness and unreliability. >>> As the whole song is about >>> >> justification of her life choices /coming to terms with the >> realisation >>> >> that she has lost the opportunity to have a life similar to Sharon,it >>> is an >> either or metaphor in a song stuffed with direct comparisons >>> between their >> lives. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>>> ----Original Message---- >>>> From: >>> >> shari@sharieaton.com >>>> Date: 13/02/2014 04:44 >>>> To: "joni" >>> >>>> Subj: Song for Sharon question >>>> >>>> Just curious .. How do you interpret >>> her saying 'I've got the apple of temptation and a diamond snake >>> around >>> >> my arm.' >>>> >>>> >>>> - Shari ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:18:21 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question Yes, Joni designed it. On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Anita wrote: > I just love this list when you get something, like this jewellery, that is just so interesting. What a gift for your band. I wonder if other musicians give their bands something so unique. Like Sue, I wonder if it Joni's design. So glad you took some pictures,Dave. > > Glad it's "balmy" in Fullbrook. My Mum's old house and the council estate where I grew up was just on the national news. It's under water and the entire area, including my old school is submerged. The rain and winds just keep coming and coming. > Anita >> e.net; JMDL JMDL >> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question >> >> And, in true Joni fashion Id be pretty sure that the apple and snake are literally a piece of jewelry that she designed and had made. Max Bennett showed us the medallion she designed and had fashioned, and gave as gifts to her L.A Express members. It was an elaborate two-sided design with iconography from the songs of The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Rather than describe it in detail, here are my close ups of it: >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cw339ymjshlqqn4/YaWYkP4zlC >> >> barmy and balmy in Fallbrook, >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Bob Muller wrote: >> >>> Well, it's definitely a reference to the biblical tale of Adam & Eve, >>> with the "apple of temptation" and the snake and all that. >>> >>> The verse starts with Joni >>> rattling off what Sharon has that Joni perhaps craved at one point, >>> but the devilish snake (the diamonds representing wealth possibly) and >>> the apple (fruit of knowledge) are too strong a draw for her to accept >>> the status quo for herself and doing what she's told, or what's expected of her by others. >>> Bob, snow-slammed in in SC but warm & safe >>> >>> NP: Dianne Reeves, "Waiting In >>> Vain" >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Shari Eaton >>> >>> To: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >>> >>> Cc: joni >>> Sent: Thursday, February >>> 13, 2014 7:09 AM >>> Subject: Re: Song for Sharon question >>> >>> >>> To buy myself a >>> man(dolin) >>> >>> Well I do (accept the changes) >>> >>> Definitely agree it's about her >>> coming to terms with her inability to have a devoted love relationship >>> due to her career. >>> >>> The diamond snake image makes me think of For the Roses. She says her >>> career provides her with things she's not ready to give up, though she >>> feels she suffers from the consequences of it. The riches in the >>> diamonds and the clutching grasp of a snake on her arm like an ankle >>> monitor of an at home prisoner. >>> >>> The apple of temptation is fairly straightforward I suppose. >>> I always equate apple to knowledge and think of it positively but it's >>> likely related to desire to know men in a sexual way. >>> >>> - Shari >>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at >>> 12:47 AM, "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> All, >>>> >>>> I think that the protagonist(Joni)is saying that she has too many >>>> >>> romantic and sexual opportunities (apple of temptation)and I think >>>> that >>> the diamond snake is vanity (diamond -reference to diamond ring) >>>> and snake >>> is selfishness and unreliability. >>>> As the whole song is about >>>> >>> justification of her life choices /coming to terms with the >>> realisation >>>> >>> that she has lost the opportunity to have a life similar to Sharon,it >>>> is an >>> either or metaphor in a song stuffed with direct comparisons >>>> between their >>> lives. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>>> ----Original Message---- >>>>> From: >>>> >>> shari@sharieaton.com >>>>> Date: 13/02/2014 04:44 >>>>> To: "joni" >>>> >>>>> Subj: Song for Sharon question >>>>> >>>>> Just curious .. How do you interpret >>>> her saying 'I've got the apple of temptation and a diamond snake >>>> around >>>> >>> my arm.' >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Shari ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #202 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------