From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #2009 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 15 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 2009 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Please go home now [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Joni Ithica NY 74 ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Yes, agreed ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Streaming the 2013 Luminato Tribute ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Fountain of sorrow [Anita Gabrielle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:22:46 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Please go home now Ingrid, one thing I forgot to say. These lines came to me of Joni's when I re read your post: "When you dig down deep You lose good sleep And it makes you heavy company." Go and have a really LOVELY day today. I am pretty certain that's what Joni would want for you, wherever and however she is. Magnet and Iron though the souls may be, Love Anita > On 14 Apr 2015, at 19:10, ingrid lochrenberg wrote: > > Joni, get well and go home. Even if you think we don't really love you your > dog loves you and misses you and needs you. > > There is genius and accident and spirit emerging all throughout this > pantheistic universe all the time. If I have any say in the matter you will > be there in the dawn out of this dark age. > > Death should be as uncertain as everything else. It should have no special > privilege. > > Science describes things and fails to explain anything. Saying one thing > leads to another is not an explanation. It is a description. The world is > propelled by wishes and wants and inspiration and laziness. There is probably > something satisfying about the paths of the planets and the stars. I have > absolutely no faith in artificial intelligence if there is an absence of > desire and want and feeling. There would be no inspiration whatsoever. You > don't have to sell your soul to be driven to your destination. Youtube might > be propelling economic activity with incessant advertising and funding the > quest for longevity but don't forget that there is music on there. Remember > where the true inspiration lies. One can organize all you like and travel the > world to Davos in search of ideas once you run out and you are doing a great > service but you are only doing the work of one person. There is nothing > inherently divine about the capitalist system. Creating jobs is a euphemism > for creating work. If you don't have enough to do go and make a salad. That > will keep you busy for an astonishingly long time. > > Just pray for Joni. God may have escaped from the universe for a good > reason...... what's left behind is permeated with spirit and magic and genius. > > Stay here because you this is where you want to stay. Here where there is an > ocean and the tide is rolling in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:26:01 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: Joni Ithica NY 74 A joni list friend alerted me to this download earlier in the week ... It's great and a Cornell venue. A couple of years ago I haggled with the Cornell Concert Commission to see if I could get a copy of the original poster but they couldn't find one! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2015, at 10:54 PM, "Bob Muller" wrote: > > Thanks Randy, I'm not sure why your posts are so hinky. > > That Cornell Ithaca show is a good one as are almost all of those '74's. Joni riding the peak of her popularity! > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 14, 2015, at 9:14 PM, "Randy Remote" wrote: >> >> This is a pretty good audience recording, and may not be available >> much longer, from Big O. >> http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=2267 >> Bob, I'm copying this to you since my posts never seem to make >> it to the Joni list for reasons unknown, which has been going on >> for years now. >> RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 08:49:42 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Yes, agreed Yes, I agree. In one of the biographies, a childhood friend said that she was always the leader when they put on a show. In fact she demanded to be the leader. Jim <> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:17:46 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Streaming the 2013 Luminato Tribute I'm so happy to be listening to this right now. I was in the audience and still consider it one of the highlights of my life! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTv2YHLGbG0 Joni Mitchell & Friends 2013 - A 70th Birthday Happening Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:34:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: Fountain of sorrow I don't know if I am in the complete minority and I don't know if it matters at all but I both understand her attitude about life, feminism (totally get her understanding of the label) and other things. I am not sure about her illnesses, what you call them or if they have merit but I know that many of my heroes (Carlin, Twain etc.) have gone out a little angry. Would some of you be more happy if Joni was doing Visa ads telling you how much you could save on buyback rewards or if she was doing duets with Puff Daddy? No, for me Joni's attitude is understandable in a sea of cultural wa$te. I like that she cares about whales but doesn't want to be grouped in with poorly though-out social memes. And despite the fact that we care for her and her art, she has no responsibility to us to keep herself politically pure, nor does she owe anything to us. I think that I like her point of view (many call it bitterness) in which she feels she can push back against this dumb culture endlessly. I even understand her desire to smoke cigarettes. It is her rebellion. She is a human. We (humans) are not perfect but I like her. I understand when she doesn't want to get sisterly and be reduced to a political idea. I think you guys should be happy we have a "hero" that truly does put up the middle finger when it is needed. - -Clint On Monday, April 13, 2015 11:48 AM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: Catherine wrote: > > And, quoting Joni: > > "I always thought the women of song don't get along, and I don't know why that is. I had a hard time with Laura Nyro also, and Joan Baez would have broken my leg if she could, or at least that's the way it felt as a person coming out [on to the music scene]. I never felt that same sense of competition from men." Having found myself prepared to battle tooth and nail to defend Joni these past weeks, these kinds of quotes about her difficult relationships with women and, of course, her notorious lack of relationship to feminism, are the points at whichB I have always felt my most disappointed. Having talked about the amount of projection and transference Joni has to contend with, I wonder if these are Joni's projections? Maybe, maybe not, but it is sad that she has felt so unsupported and, in fact, in competition with other women. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:30:27 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Fountain of sorrow I understand when she doesn't want to get sisterly and be reduced to a political idea. I think you guys should be happy we have a "hero" that truly does put up the middle finger when it is needed. > -Clint > Clint, just expressing a bit of disappointment 'twas all. I accept that everything I write says more about me than it ever does about Joni. However, Feminists transformed my whole life and they certainly put up the middle finger when it was most needed. I remember their fingers every time I vote, Anita > > On Monday, April 13, 2015 11:48 AM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: > > > Catherine wrote: > > > > And, quoting Joni: > > > > "I always thought the women of song don't get along, and I don't know why that is. I had a hard time with Laura Nyro also, and Joan Baez would have broken my leg if she could, or at least that's the way it felt as a person coming out [on to the music scene]. I never felt that same sense of competition from men." > > Having found myself prepared to battle tooth and nail to defend Joni these past weeks, these kinds of quotes about her difficult relationships with women and, of course, her notorious lack of relationship to feminism, are the points at which I have always felt my most disappointed. Having talked about the amount of projection and transference Joni has to contend with, I wonder if these are Joni's projections? Maybe, maybe not, but it is sad that she has felt so unsupported and, in fact, in competition with other women. > Anita ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #2009 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------