From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1948 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 6 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1948 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Books [Anita Gabrielle ] (NJC) See ya [Lori Renee Fye ] RE: Conflicting stories ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Joni [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: conflicting stories ["mep chorus.net" ] Re: Books [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: List pollution [Michael Paz ] Bela the Jack Russell [Anita Gabrielle ] My dream of joni ( long) [Marianne Rizzo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 20:42:27 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Books Hi Becky There is also Katherine Monk's book about Joni's Creative Odyssey which comes at Joni in a personal and interesting way, which I recently read and enjoyed, Anita > On 6 Apr 2015, at 19:51, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Becky, > > My recommendations would be "Shadows & Light" by Karen O'Brien and/or > "Girls Like Us" by Sheila Weller. The latter combines the stories of Carly > Simon and Carole King, well-written but not (for me) as captivating as > Joni's story. The book is divided such that you can read only the Joni > stuff. That's what I did first, then went back and read it cover to cover. > > > Over and above these, Malka's fairly recent book "Joni Mitchell - In Her > Own Words" is excellent and authentic as it's in Joni's words. Michelle > Mercer's "Will You Take Me As I Am" is also a great read about a specific > period. They're not biographies per se but great reads all the same. > > Bob > > NP: Kendrick Lamar, "Alright" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any and all > computers and other devices. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 09:46:14 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: (NJC) See ya I'm un*sub*scribing (again). I assume any important news will come via regular news channels or Facebook. Y'all take care. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 15:29:50 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Conflicting stories Joni definitely has a close support group ... I can remember from seeing pictures of her 70th birthday party in LA. She socializes with a small group but they seem very devoted to her. Having said that, I just read Mark's beautifully written post about this idea between loving the art and loving Joni personally. At heart, I think I've related to Joni over the years because her music and poetry have paralleled some of the significant problems I have had with relationships over the years. Songs like Court and Spark, Don't Interrupt the Sorrow, Woman of Heart and Mind, Hejira, Nothing Can Be Done, Last Chance Lost, (I'm sure I could go on) have resonated with me so deeply that I feel sometimes like she is the only one who understands me. I know that sounds delusional, and I've had to stop myself at times and say, oh it's just the art, I really don't know (the real) Joni Mitchell at all. Then there was all the relationships that I began to cultivate with other people who love her art, and the experiences I had seeing her in concert and almost meeting her several times (close but no cigar!) I agree with Bob and Catherine too that there is nothing to be done and it's all out of our hands completely, so I have written a couple of twitter messages on her WeLoveYouJoni page and I continue to play her songs in the morning on my guitar, and I think about the collective communities I belong to who revere her art. So I guess the bottom line is, as a person on my own journey, who has struggled with loss, ego, failure, illness and wake up every day trying to move forward, I continue to see her as a role model, and another human, who will laugh and cry, and someday die, just like me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCLOMBbRVB0 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of mep chorus.net Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 9:32 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Conflicting stories Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: 1. Was she non-responsive or did she just faint? 2. Is she still in intensive care or not? 3. Did she get surgery or not? 4. Does the lack of news mean that she wants it that way? 5. Since she lacks parents, a manager, and a spouse, does she have any support group? You know, is she making her own decisions, or is it Kilauren? Me now: my concerns exactly! I certainly understand Joni's wish for privacy, if that's indeed what she wants, and if she's the one making the decisions. But I'm finding the lack of news a little more worrisome with each passing day. Still, I'm glad she was found last week, and very glad she's getting medical care. I'll also be happy to receive any news we eventually get. And, re: lack of a support group: a posting or Tweet last week--maybe one from jonimitchell.com?--made reference to her being with "friends" at the hospital. I hope that's true, and that they've continued to be able to be there for her. Best, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 17:50:16 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Joni I just read this out loud to my partner, Steph. Couldn't get through it. Anyone else want to try reading it out loud to somebody, make sure the tissue boxes are close by, Thank you so much, a Mark. Makes me doubly glad to be here, Anita > On 6 Apr 2015, at 13:51, Mark Scott wrote: > > I wrote this last Thursday and it never showed up in my inbox. It seems that > some of my emails to the JMDL do and some donbt. Whatbs up with that? > > Anyway, I began thinking it was self-indulgent and decided not to try and send > it again. In light of some other peoplebs emails about their feelings, I > changed my mind. Ibm sure the formatting will be all screwed up, though. > > I haven't been reading much on the bus ride home. I find myself falling > asleep. The years are beginning to tell on me I guess. Tonight I was > particularly tired and didn't even bother to get the book out of my > backpack. I decided I'd listen to some music and drift off. I look through > what I had uploaded to my phone and found 'Song To A Seagull'. I had snuck > a peek at CNN's website earlier in the day just in case there was an update. > I saw the news about the sickening attack in Kenya but nothing new about > Joni. We had had unstable weather yesterday and it was hailing as I walked > out the door of my workplace to catch the bus home. I put up my umbrella > which I rarely do as it doesn't often rain hard enough here to merit it and > the wind can play havoc with my bumbershoot. Fairly dry when I got off the > bus but the weather must have made me think of 'Michael From Mountains' > because that was the song I sang to myself walking home. Tonight as I > became lost in the beauty of the guitar that speaks as eloquently as the > voice on 'Song To A Seagull' and 'Michael From Mountains' started to play, > the line 'someday I may know you very well' struck me in a way it never had > before. Lately I've been wondering, do I really love somebody I've never > met? Would I want to know this person, even though her art had spoken to me > so deeply for so many years? And I have to confess I had begun to think I > would never know her well enough to even dare to write one word about her. > I began to picture Joni lying in a bed with her eyes closed as the song > ended 'someday I will know you very well'. Then came 'Night in the City' > and I began to try to send a mental message to her, 'light up your lazy blue > eyes'. I wanted to entice her to 'take off your stay at home shoes' and to > follow me down the 'stairway, stairway down to the crowds in the street' > where we would 'run on laughing'. Finally I wanted to tell her that all of > us > are 'always there...waiting with a candle in the window'. > > So I concluded that, even though I have never met her and even though I may > never know her very well, I do, indeed, love Joni Mitchell. Not just her > music, not just her art, not just her genius. Joni herself. The music, the > art, the evidence of the genius will always be there. But I know I would > feel a deep loss and an empty place in my life if she herself were not > there, either in her home in Bel Air or her sanctuary in British Columbia or > wherever she happens to be. So please get well, Joni. There are so many of > us that do care and do love you. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 12:43:58 -0500 From: "mep chorus.net" Subject: Re: conflicting stories Sue McNamara posted, among other things: "So I guess the bottom line is, as a person on my own journey, who has struggled with loss, ego, failure, illness and wake up every day trying to move forward, I continue to see her as a role model, and another human, who will laugh and cry, and someday die, just like me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCLOMBbRVB0" Sue, thanks so much for the link to this wonderful song, which, to the best of my knowledge, I'd never heard before! I *love* Joni's voice from this era, several years before Songs to a Seagull/Joni Mitchell was released, and definitely before the "helium-voice" phase, which often seemed to me like an affectation that Joni thankfully grew out of Her voice here is strong, supple, and so very versatile. But I also caught the line that you quoted, and that I'm sure was your reason for posting this now. Yes, Joni will someday die--hopefully, not for many years!--and so will we all. And yes, I selfishly wish we had more information about her current condition. But as you and so many others her have beautifully put it, maybe it's enough to celebrate our common humanity, which Joni captured so well, and to be grateful for the great gift of herself that she gave us for so many years . . . and is still giving. And I am. Mary. P.S. When Joni gave this performance, she was all of 22. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 14:51:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Books Becky, My recommendations would be "Shadows & Light" by Karen O'Brien and/or "Girls Like Us" by Sheila Weller. The latter combines the stories of Carly Simon and Carole King, well-written but not (for me) as captivating as Joni's story. The book is divided such that you can read only the Joni stuff. That's what I did first, then went back and read it cover to cover. Over and above these, Malka's fairly recent book "Joni Mitchell - In Her Own Words" is excellent and authentic as it's in Joni's words. Michelle Mercer's "Will You Take Me As I Am" is also a great read about a specific period. They're not biographies per se but great reads all the same. Bob NP: Kendrick Lamar, "Alright" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 11:32:46 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: List pollution WHO you calling OLD then buddy??? On Apr 6, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Steve Dulson wrote: Thank you Jamie and Laura for bringing this up. There are some newbies on the list who maybe don't realize that if they hit "reply" to a digest, there reply includes the WHOLE digest. And sometimes very interesting posts get buried in the endless repeats. Actually, there are a couple of old-timers on the list whom I love dearly who do this too... :)No names - yet! > Please, try not to repeat whole posts in list after list even if it is Joni > related. > I'm asking because with repeated posts, articles, or whole digests inside of > digests it makes it very hard sometimes to find the new content when scrolling > through lengthy old content. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:31:52 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Bela the Jack Russell I have had my sister in law staying over Easter and we have enjoyed wonderful walks with her dog, a fabulous working cocker spaniel, Jasper. I suddenly wondered who was looking after Joni's dog, Bela. I fondly remember watching Bela whizzing all over the place at Ruby Lake and, somewhat naughtily it has to be said, being into everything. I assume Bela travels down to LA from BC when Joni migrates? I have never had a dog, but I absolutely love Jasper. His beautiful eyes and complete adoration of a ball are heart warming. Simple things can lead to such great joy, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 21:20:23 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: My dream of joni ( long) Feel free to skip this: I had a dream with joni on Saturday morning. She has been on my mind a lot in a certain kind of way now. . . You know . . . She is heavy on my heart. . . I am glad and comforted to have you all on this list to feel with and to share our joys and deep concern about her. For me, to have this dream of her . . . it seemed to bring her essence in closer to me . . . It was special at this time. The dream: Saturday morning on April 4. Joni comes over to my house and we are in the front yard looking across my little, one lane road at the land that I care about (and want to preserve) ( someone else owns it . . . It is farmland with trees). Well, in the dream, I had heard that there was a nemesis, some entity that was going to put this place in danger of pushing around the land, ("paving over brave little parks," etc.) (the line steals my heart!) So JONI was THERE to HELP ME address this potential harm ( land preservation, habitat, forests, etc. things I care deeply about). So we were going to go and investigate and see what we could do. So now, all this land, across my little road, turned INTO A QUARRY in this dream. And, in order to get to the far away building (with conflict people) we had to SWIM through the QUARRY. We swam through the quarry, and then we had to get over homemade fences. We walked carefully though small yards and gardens of old people who lived there for years ( just in the dream). We climbed over and around fences and we came to the building /house type structure. We could NOT go in though the front door. We had to climb UP the building and get on the roof and into the window FROM the roof. Joni was the first to get onto the roof and she offered me her arm to help me get up and I told her, " I can do it joni." I got up onto the roof with her looking over at me with encouragement. We then went in the building, through the window. We had to be somewhat quiet, as we we trespassing. We were wet from the quarry. We were hanging out in a room for a while, proud of ourselves for reaching our destination. We were wet from swimming and so were our clothes. Joni took off her shirt to wring it out and dry up and later put it on again. We had no inhibitions and even though I was with joni ( mitchell) I had no inhibitions about being with her. Every thing was very natural. She looked like about 25 years old. A woman came upstairs (she was a secretary or something to the nemesis). She sat with us somewhat secretly. She said "I like you joni, cause your name is joni blue and my dog's name is blue." [ha!] This woman was supportive and then disappeared. Joni took off all of her jewelry also, as it needed to dry. She set them on a cloth. At first I did not think to look at her jewelry. But then I said to my self, I should look at Joni's jewelry, because after all, it is joni Mitchell's jewelry. I saw some green, small gems perhaps on a broach, in a cluster of other jewelry items of other colors. There were some theatre items in small plastic bags ( possible give always after a show) in this room and joni found them interesting and decided to take one and said to me, "Here, take one." I was not sure I wanted to because I knew we had to swim back. Well, I do not know if we found out any information or if we confronted the problem, but we headed back home. We started walking home the similar way, by cutting across and around small gardens and yards with home made fences. Then suddenly, joni was gone and I was walking with my twin nieces (bella and connie, 14 years old). We walked into an OLD classic, general store with interesting things there. . . I was walking with the twins knowing that JONI WAS BACK in my yard and I told the twins that my friend joni was at the house. I said that I wanted them to meet her. I did not want to tell them that it was joni "Mitchell." I wanted them to act naturally. So, I just said "joni, was there and you will meet her. The dream ended before they met her. I woke up about 6:15 am. THE END I like to give details about times and dates etc. because sometimes dreams are so real, I feel like another person could possibly be dreaming the same dream. On another note, one of my students (Brianna), today in class said to me that she head joni Mitchell was in the hospital that she knew I would be concerned. Thanks for listening. Thinking of you joni. Marianne ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1948 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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