From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1937 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 5 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1937 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) [Anita G ] Re: gathering on 4/11 [Dave Blackburn ] Joni on Easter [Jeff Clark ] Re: gathering on 4/11 [Anita G ] RE: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) ["John E McGloin" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1933 [pat post ] Re: gathering on 4/11 [Michael Paz ] Re: gathering on 4/11 [kbhla@fastmail.fm] Free Man In Paris = Holycombe Joni Fest 2008 [Anita G Subject: Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) And such it is, with life. We all react differently from one another, and ourselves differently at different times. I too noticed the writer's complaint that there were no scholarly articles, symposia and so on about Joni's creative output. I guess she hasn't researched all that very well. But I think she was writing from the heart, the gut, whatever you want to call it. Many of us have felt that sense of being alone as Joniphiles... until we found this 'ere place. As far as Joni's health, i wish her a long life and a good one, but I don't think anyone really owes us a news update. To me, those things are private for family and close friends and I say good for 'em for keeping her personal information personal. I'm going with the "no news is good news" feeling (but have you ever wondered that that can mean both, "To hear no news, means it's good news, because it's not bad", and also, "All the news is bad, or at least, not-good.") And I'm not planning on posting anything on Twitter because I hate Twitter, nor am I planning to add a plug-in to Facebook so I can post something there with a hashtag (I hate hashtags, too, because I'm a grouch.) Appreciate the irony of the fact that Joni herself claims she doesn't do any internet-stuff, and yet people are sending messages via that medium. You just have to laugh, 'cause it's all so crazy! I figure she can feel the good vibes, dammit! From: Anita G To: John E McGloin Cc: jonipeople LIST Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) I also imagine lots of people are experiencing a vast range of feelings at the moment with the news of Joni's ill health. What they might feel today in response to the article might be quite different tomorrow. I reckon there will be considerable ups and downs here as we contemplate, in our all our own ways, the possibility of Joni's passing and the possibility of her recovery. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 07:44:00 -0500 From: lcs4bike@yahoo.com Subject: List Pollution Please, try not to repeat whole posts in list after list even if it is Joni related. I'm asking because with repeated posts, articles, or whole digests inside of digests it makes it very hard sometimes to find the new content when scrolling through lengthy old content. Thanks! Laura Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 19:05:01 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) Do we, should we, separate the artist from her art? She disdains the confessional label but she reveals so much its like shes inviting all of us in to scrutinize and analyze and at that point the melding of the art and the artist is complete. Has there ever been deeper soul-baring than the achingly-transparent Blue? As Joni has said, not a single false note on that entire album. I dont know if Linda Grant would cringe if her essay in The Guardian was characterized as confessional but she expresses things that I have thought about and pondered and fussed and worried about. These emotions that Joni captures so well which serve as the magnet that draws us in to her art are our common denominators, and Ms. Grants writing shows that not only does she get it, she gives it too, in the form of transparency and honesty and raw feelings. Just as Joni would do. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 06:56:33 -0700 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) All, Having just read Scott's post, I went back and reread the Guardian article. For those wishing to do the same, here is the link: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/04/not-easy-to-be-joni-mitchell-fan-but-illness-devastates-me Between the good questions the article raises, the ones Scott asks, and also those points raised by Jim Lamadieu in his most recent post I am taken back to last April as my family sat vigil over my only brother as he lay in intensive care, sadly never to reawaken. The Guardian article and Jim's questions prepare us for the inevitable situation we most certainly will find ourselves in one day. With no new news at hand, our minds go to those dark places as we ponder the finite lifespans of those we love and respect. In Judaism, following a death we go through a period of mourning called shiva. We sit around and remember the departed and share how their lives affected our own. We do so to reinforce that even though their physical beings may no longer be with us, they are truly still in our hearts and souls. They live on through and within *us*. I sincerely hope that Joni will recover from all that presently ails her and that she can live out her life as *she* wants to. Why should *now* be any different than the last 50 years? In this season of birth and resurrection, I wish you all a Good Passover and a Happy and Joyous Easter, and most of all, best wishes for Joni's speedy and complete recovery so that our lives can continue to be enriched by her as they have for so many years already. I hope our spirits and wishes have touched her too, to help her heal. Brian - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 4/4/15, Scott Price wrote: Subject: Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) To: "Joni List" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2015, 10:05 PM Do we, should we, separate the artist from her art? She disdains the confessional label but she reveals so much its like shes inviting all of us in to scrutinize and analyze and at that point the melding of the art and the artist is complete. Has there ever been deeper soul-baring than the achingly-transparent Blue? As Joni has said, not a single false note on that entire album. I dont know if Linda Grant would cringe if her essay in The Guardian was characterized as confessional but she expresses things that I have thought about and pondered and fussed and worried about. These emotions that Joni captures so well which serve as the magnet that draws us in to her art are our common denominators, and Ms. Grants writing shows that not only does she get it, she gives it too, in the form of transparency and honesty and raw feelings. Just as Joni would do. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 09:15:57 -0500 From: "mep chorus.net" Subject: Re: Joni Article in the Guardian (UK) Personally, I didn't mind the article, and even appreciated it. Was it in bad taste to speak publicly of Joni's eventual death at this time? Maybe, but the fact is that every single one of us, including me and including Joni, is going to die. In considering that eventuality, Linda Grant wasn't raising anything that I haven't thought myself, or that list members haven't considered, privately and publicly, since we heard the news of Joni's illness last week. And, while Grant's view of Joni is a bit bleak, it's a bleakness shot through with love and appreciation. It also strikes me that Grant is as unflinching in her view of some of Joni's more controversial characteristics as Joni herself has been about any number of things. Is that bad? Not to me: in fact, I welcome it. There are, however, a couple of places at which I part company from Grant. First, she seems to regard Joni's fan base as mainly female, not very organized collectively, and traipsing off to listen to Joni's music in solitude without sharing it with anyone. To wit, Grant writes: "What she always lacked, to oppose all that dismissive contempt, was > the obsessiveness of the male fanbase: the Deadheads and Dylanologists > who catalogue and compete for record-collection kudos among a > fraternity of admirers. Where are the dry, 1,000-page volumes of > musical Joni-trivia, the conferences, the PhD dissertations?" To which I answer: they're right here!!! Well, maybe not the PhD dissertations, but just about everything else. Seriously: has Linda Grant every visited jonimitchell.com? Ever posted to the JMDL? Ever checked out Bob Muller's fantastic and far-reaching collection of covers? Ever attended a Jonifest, or other gathering of the admirers (male, female, and other) which have sprouted up out of this incredible community, which has been going strong for nearly twenty years? And there *have* been scholarly examinations of Joni's work, both posted on jonimitchell.com and emanating from academia. Before criticizing Joni's fans for not reaching out, Grant should do a little reaching herself. The other thing Grant misses is that Joni's interviews consistently don't capture her warmth, earnestness, and fundamental honesty, unless they're videotaped. I have had the great privilege of meeting Joni twice, and both times, she was absolutely charming. She could say something like, "All of (fill in major city) is about to be subsumed in a mudslide," and I'd probably nod in happy agreement, due to what she communicates in-person by gestures and facial expressions that just can't be caught in the interview format. I've often thought that Joni, more than most artists, has been short-changed by the fact that print interviews, by their nature, give us only words, and little of the spirit behind them, which Joni often communicates by other means. That means readers of her interviews are getting only a very small glimpse into who she really is. OK. Off my soapbox, and off to Easter brunch! ;-) Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 15:25:36 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) John, seems to me that folk have posted about this thread been very clear about what they find distressing or difficult about the article. I thought it was a bit miserable, but don't feel that's a 'problem'. Garret found it expressed quite a lot of what he feels at the moment. Seems a broad thread to me with lots of different takes on it. I also imagine lots of people are experiencing a vast range of feelings at the moment with the news of Joni's ill health. What they might feel today in response to the article might be quite different tomorrow. I reckon there will be considerable ups and downs here as we contemplate, in our all our own ways, the possibility of Joni's passing and the possibility of her recovery. Anita On 5 April 2015 at 14:36, John E McGloin wrote: > I don't understand. What are your problems with the article? Not trying to > start a fight - honestly. > Regards > John > > ----Original Message----- > From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of > Allison Crowe Music > Sent: 05 April 2015 08:36 > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) > > With fans like that, who needs enemies seems fitting rejoinder to this > weekend's piece in the Guardian. > > Like the unctuous fellow who nearly drowned in his self-absorption > vis-a-vis > Joni Mitchell in a Canadian newspaper some months ago, this writer appears > oblivious to the fact they really don't know Joni at all. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 08:33:31 -0500 From: "mep chorus.net" Subject: RE: gathering on 4/11 Dave Blackburn wrote: Dear Joni friends, Robin and I would like to host a minifest potluck gathering at our home in Fallbrook on Saturday afternoon from noon (April 11th) for any members of this list who would like to come together to visit, play music and give ourselves some strength during this time of worry about Joni. Please email me, or Robin, robinadler52@att.net offlist if youb d like to join us. The weather looks fine and there are inexpensive motels nearby, if needed. thanks, Dave Me: so where's Fallbrook?? ;-) Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 07:18:42 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: gathering on 4/11 Hi Mary, Fallbrook is in San Diego County, California. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallbrook,_California > On Apr 5, 2015, at 6:33 AM, mep chorus.net wrote: > > Dave Blackburn wrote: > > Dear Joni friends, > > Robin and I would like to host a minifest potluck gathering at our home in > Fallbrook on Saturday afternoon from noon (April 11th) for any members of > this > list who would like to come together to visit, play music and give ourselves > some strength during this time of worry about Joni. Please email me, or > Robin, > robinadler52@att.net offlist if youb d like to join us. The weather looks > fine and there are inexpensive motels nearby, if needed. > > thanks, > > Dave > > Me: so where's Fallbrook?? ;-) > > Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 16:28:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Joni on Easter I just think it would be so fitting, symbolically, for her to be released today. Hope so. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 15:15:52 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: gathering on 4/11 Steph reckons we won't get there for this one, most sadly! It's a long way from the UK for the week-end. However, having had the glory of being on your porch last June and sharing such a wonderful time, I advise anyone who can get there to go. It will be so great for everyone to get together and to sing. Yesterday I was playing on shuffle on my ipod in the car and the Joni Fest in Holycombe UK, 2008? came on. That was where I first had the good fortune to meet Dave and Robin. The recording Dave made of us all singing 'Free Man In Paris' emerged from the speakers. Instantly I remembered that sunny morning with about thirty of us or so sitting together singing that song and the HARMONIES everyone slipped so comfortably and effortlessly into without any practice. Absolute magic. (Mind you 'FMIP' was followed by Bob Muller, me and Mr Blackburn hammering a very drunken version of 'Raised on Robbery' later in the night. It had a quite different 'charm' ;~) You know how much we will be there in spirit, continuing to send our best thoughts. Have a wonderful time and, if you can there JMDLERS, I don't know how you'll get there but get there if you can. Anita x On 5 April 2015 at 14:33, mep chorus.net wrote: > Dave Blackburn wrote: > > Dear Joni friends, > > Robin and I would like to host a minifest potluck gathering at our home in > Fallbrook on Saturday afternoon from noon (April 11th) for any members of > this > list who would like to come together to visit, play music and give > ourselves > some strength during this time of worry about Joni. Please email me, or > Robin, > robinadler52@att.net offlist if youb d like to join us. The weather looks > fine and there are inexpensive motels nearby, if needed. > > thanks, > > Dave > > Me: so where's Fallbrook?? ;-) > > Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 14:36:54 +0100 From: "John E McGloin" Subject: RE: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) I don't understand. What are your problems with the article? Not trying to start a fight - honestly. Regards John - ----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Allison Crowe Music Sent: 05 April 2015 08:36 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) With fans like that, who needs enemies seems fitting rejoinder to this weekend's piece in the Guardian. Like the unctuous fellow who nearly drowned in his self-absorption vis-a-vis Joni Mitchell in a Canadian newspaper some months ago, this writer appears oblivious to the fact they really don't know Joni at all. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 00:36:12 -0700 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: Re: Joni Article in The Guardian (UK) With fans like that, who needs enemies seems fitting rejoinder to this weekend's piece in the Guardian. Like the unctuous fellow who nearly drowned in his self-absorption vis-a-vis Joni Mitchell in a Canadian newspaper some months ago, this writer appears oblivious to the fact they really don't know Joni at all. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 08:32:00 -0500 From: "mep chorus.net" Subject: Re: Conflicting stories Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: 1. Was she non-responsive or did she just faint? 2. Is she still in intensive care or not? 3. Did she get surgery or not? 4. Does the lack of news mean that she wants it that way? 5. Since she lacks parents, a manager, and a spouse, does she have any support group? You know, is she making her own decisions, or is it Kilauren? Me now: my concerns exactly! I certainly understand Joni's wish for privacy, if that's indeed what she wants, and if she's the one making the decisions. But I'm finding the lack of news a little more worrisome with each passing day. Still, I'm glad she was found last week, and very glad she's getting medical care. I'll also be happy to receive any news we eventually get. And, re: lack of a support group: a posting or Tweet last week--maybe one from jonimitchell.com?--made reference to her being with "friends" at the hospital. I hope that's true, and that they've continued to be able to be there for her. Best, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 16:02:23 +0000 (UTC) From: pat post Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1933 Really enjoying the new Joni compilation, Love Has Many Faces. Joni is such a beautiful creative artist. Her music has beenB the main soundtrack of my life, since age 17. I know all on this list love her so much. I wish her well and believe she is smart enough to know what she is dealing with and how to get the proper medical help she needs, for what ever she is experiencing. She has her daughter now too, to help advocate for her interests. So many people love her and wish her well, the positive energy flowing her way, will be felt by our lovely Joni. B B B B B B B B B "Life shrinks or expands, in proportion to one's courage" B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B - ------ Anais Nin B B B B B B B B B B B On Saturday, April 4, 2015 3:02 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL DigestB B B B Saturday, April 4 2015B B B B Volume 2014 : Number 1933 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- B Re: While we're waiting...B B B B B B B B B B B B B B [lcs4bike@yahoo.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 01:53:39 -0500 From: lcs4bike@yahoo.com Subject: Re: While we're waiting... My favorite Texan wrote: It's been one of those can't keep off the turntable when I'm not playing Joni albums. Hi Happy Tex, The truth struck me in what you said about the turntable.B The visual of the reality of still spinning Joni's music like the Circle Game after all these years... Yeah... Joni really is THAT good!!!B And even if the LP or CD isn't actually spinning, as the seasons go 'round and 'round so do Joni's lyrics and unique emotional cords in my head and heart.B Her auditory art never fails to strike a chord with me in my daily living experiences.B Joni might be retired and she might be sick right now, but she is very much present to me in her recorded music.B I never got to see her perform in concert, but I was able at Ruby Lake to look deep into her beautiful blue eyes and tell her I think the world of her. And each time I spin one of Joni's albums, I get the same effect as the motion (moved with emotion) I'm left with after having looked at the visual message of the picture and the brush strokes left in the paint on an incredibly textured Van Gogh painting. There is one visiting here in Arkansas right now at Crystal Bridges, a Walton family (Walmart) free to the public museum in Rogers, Arkansas.B Van Gogh's presence and message in his painting was life changing for me.B Recorded music is the painting we have even when the guitar is no longer actually being stroked as the performing art is no longer being performed. The artist is still there for us in the stroke marks of the sound. I wish I could see Joni's paintings.B If I had one wish to be granted, that would be it.B To look at Joni Mitchell's paintings like I was able to look at Vincent Van Gogh's recently.B Life is for learning only because of the incredible sharing of these artists.B So much gratitude and a heart full of prayers for Joni... Love, Laura in Arkansas Sent from my iPhone - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1933 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 11:17:41 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: gathering on 4/11 Sounds like a blast! Can you send the lear jet round to pick me up? I will bring crawfish!!! On Apr 4, 2015, at 5:32 PM, kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: That sounds wonderful, Dave and Robin! I hope to be there. Thank you so much for putting this together. Kakki On Sat, Apr 4, 2015, at 11:38 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Dear Joni friends, > > Robin and I would like to host a minifest potluck gathering at our > home in Fallbrook on Saturday afternoon from noon (April 11th) for any > members of this list who would like to come together to visit, play > music and give ourselves some strength during this time of worry about > Joni. Please email me, or Robin, robinadler52@att.net offlist if youbd > like to join us. The weather looks fine and there are inexpensive > motels nearby, if needed. > > thanks, > > Dave > - -- kbhla@fastmail.fm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:32:29 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: gathering on 4/11 That sounds wonderful, Dave and Robin! I hope to be there. Thank you so much for putting this together. Kakki On Sat, Apr 4, 2015, at 11:38 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Dear Joni friends, > > Robin and I would like to host a minifest potluck gathering at our > home in Fallbrook on Saturday afternoon from noon (April 11th) for any > members of this list who would like to come together to visit, play > music and give ourselves some strength during this time of worry about > Joni. Please email me, or Robin, robinadler52@att.net offlist if youbd > like to join us. The weather looks fine and there are inexpensive > motels nearby, if needed. > > thanks, > > Dave > - -- kbhla@fastmail.fm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 17:34:09 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Free Man In Paris = Holycombe Joni Fest 2008 Dear All Following on from Dave and Robin's invitation to their place next week-end for a supportive day and sing song, earlier today I waxed lyrically and fondly remembering the Holycombe Festival of 2008 when, one morning we had sing song and Dave went into 'Free Man In Paris'. I uploaded the recording to Hightail and perhaps this link can be copied and pasted in to your browser. Doubtless Moni will tell me what's wrong if I haven't got it right if she's about today, but I hope this will work. https://www.hightail.com/download/UlRRZUNqY1NwaFJFQmRVag This will show folk what it's like to get along to a Joni Fest when something impromptu, like this, can happen. I hope it brings back happy memories for those of us who were there and also further expand insight into the spirit of the JMDL community, for those who may be new. Happy, happy days! Here's hoping it works, Anita x ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1937 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------