From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1907 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 19 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1907 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1901 [Laurie Antonioli ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:38:55 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1901 Re: Both Sides Now Honestly, it wasn't until we got in the studio (I was never really attracted to the tune) and had a chance to sing it slow, and take time with the lyric, that I realized what complete genius the song is - appearing simple - and if not done properly, disguised as possibly trite - especially with some of the earlier versions. Joni's later version struck me deeply and then became like Billie Holiday's "Good Morning Heartache" - that is Billie's song and I never touched it because of that. Both Sides Now, after Joni sang it with the orchestra, became hers alone, even with it being the most covered song in her repertoire. The same thing happened recently with the song "Over the Rainbow" by Harold Arlen/E.Y. Harburg. Where the lyric, one I'd heard so many times, struck me deeply. I "got" it and only because I was almost forced into exploring the song as a last minute suggestion. Both times, in the studio, without rehearsals, improvised as ballads. This causes me to believe or understand how easy it is to take some things for granted. Songs. People, even. Without careful investigation we can miss stuff - things can be right in front of us without seeing or hearing it. I know now that BSN is for sure one of the masterpieces of our generation. Laurie On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 17 2015 Volume 2014 : Number > 1901 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Iron Eyes Cody [Jamie Zubairi home < > jamiezubairi@gmail.com>] > Late Joni as folk [Jeff Clark < > clarkjeff440@ymail.com>] > "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni ["Jim L'Hommedieu" > Re: "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni > [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:17:21 +0000 > From: Jamie Zubairi home > Subject: Re: Iron Eyes Cody > > I think Joni mentions it in one of the notes she gives about recording > Lakota > > Jamie Zubairi > Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer > On 15 Mar 2015 18:19, "Kathy Johnson" wrote: > > > Is this common knowledge that I'm only coming to now? "Cody, who claimed > > to be a Cherokee or Cree but was really a Sicilian ... ." -from The > > Inconvenient Indian, by Thomas King Kate of the North Stubblejumpin'Gal > > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:13:33 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jeff Clark > Subject: Late Joni as folk > > Dave wrote: > < verse form of songs like Hejira, Amelia, Come in from the Cold. TheyB > remind me of, for example, Matty Groves and similar things from FairportB > Convention and Steeleye Span.>> > I quite like this folk form. Amelia has always reminded me of Poe's The > Raven > with that haunting refrain, "Amelia, it was just a false alarm", "Quoth the > raven, nevermore". I've had Fairports version of Dylans "Percy's Song" on > my > mind for two weeks now. Love that song. B I'll have to check out Matty > Groves. > Some day I'd like to hear Marianne Faithfull's "Amelia". She reminds me of > Joni in that her signature song, "As Tears Go By" was sung and written when > she was a beautiful, young girl, though it fits an older person singing it, > like Joni with BSN. Hey Bob M., if you're reading, you probably know Dylan > is > going to be in Greenville soon. Are you going to hear him belt out his > Sinatra > songs? Since its the "Never Ending Tour" there shouldn't be any hurry to > see > him, you have forever!Jeff > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:10:36 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni > > Yeah, in that song, she explains the entire mystery of Life in 3 minutes. > It's incredibly ambitious. Only deep thinkers "get" it. > The song "Hejira" is like that too- so deep. (Or is it superficial, > between the forceps and the stone?) > > To the casual listener, "Both Sides Now" is a sentimental "woman's song" > where she almost rhymes moon and June. (rows and flows). > > > > Yes, immensely complicated. That's why most don't get it and yet, but > it's also why we still listen, after all this time. That duality thing > cuts both ways. > > Jim > ps, "Both Sides Now" is so complicated, it had 3 titles that I know of. > (And you know, there may be more.) > > > From: Jeff Clark > >Its funny about that song. Her first really big song and its usually > included > as the last song on her various compilations. Its like the alpha and omega > of > Joni songs. Judy Collins thinks its one of the most perfect songs ever > written, lots of people do, and I do too. Yet I can see how it could be > anti-climatic. I remember a time at work some years back, a co-worker and I > talking about music and I mentioned Joni as my boss was walking by and she > said, "is she the one that sang rows and flows of angel hair?" I didn't > feel > it appropriate at the time to give a 10 minute "mini lesson" on who Joni > *really* is despite the slight condescending vibe I picked up. I remember > when > Hits and Misses came out. It seemed cooler to prefer the "misses" over the > "hits", kind of like preferring Lennon over McCartney. I always stuck up > for > McCartney. I know Joni has said she has written many songs that she is much > more proud of, yet BSN in a way I think will always be her signature song, > even though Judy Collins took it over. Everything about Joni is > complicated.Jeff<> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 07:40:14 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni > > ps, "Both Sides Now" is so complicated, it had 3 titles that I know of. > (And you know, there may be more.)> > > Particularly if you're counting titles in non-English languages. Then > you're up to a couple dozen. > > Bob > > NP: Courtney Barnett, "Out Of The Woodwork" > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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