From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1733 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 11 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1733 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 [lesli shadowsandlight Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 i agree that some awards are fair and deserved. but sadly, moving units is so influential. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > Apparently there is another article in the Wall Street Journal that is more > accurate that this one. > I have not been able to find it yet. > > > > > > > On Feb 10, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Laurie Antonioli > wrote: > > Check out this article: > > > http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2011/02/why_i_hate_the_grammys.h > tml > > There are "secret committees" that select the nominees. As a member of > NARAS I am incredibly disillusioned by this years' jazz nominees and > winners, I am probably going to discontinue being a member. I'm over it. > It's really bad y'all. You have NO idea. I could start naming names and > give examples but, let's just say this: it's a club and if you're not in > it, forget about it. They let through random "creative" artists now and > then. A token one here and there, but, the winners are generally with > labels that folks on the secret committees actually run. There. I told > you at least that much and you can go figure it out if you like detective > work. I wouldn't waste your time. It's actually all a bunch of nonsense. > > Laurie > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:12 PM, JMDL Digest > wrote: > > > > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 10 2015 Volume 2014 : Number > 1716 > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > > -------- > > Star Maker Machinery [ > > kbhla@fastmail.fm] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:11:45 -0800 > > From: kbhla@fastmail.fm > > Subject: Star Maker Machinery > > > > I've had some experience working with music industry executives and > > spending a few years in their offices (on various litigation matters) > > and found them to be a very rough and brutal bunch. In Malka's book, > > Joni describes some of the horrific things she witnessed over the years. > > My family had friends in the movie business back in the old Hollywood > > days, and while that industry could also be harsh at times, I don't > > think it holds a candle to the music business. I think the reason why > > the Laurel Canyon group did so well is that they had power in numbers > > and overwhelming talent and originality. They could not be ignored and > > all the kids wanting to hear them at the local clubs, etc., presented a > > wide sales demographic to be mined by the record companies. I don't see > > that kind of grass roots zeitgeist today that inevitably propels true > > original talent to the top. So now what we get as a consumer is mostly > > "manufactured." However, true talent still endures - maybe not by > > widespread recognition and mega sales of product, but by very successful > > live shows and tours all over the world. > > > > As for the Grammys, well their own music peers vote for who wins, and > > sometimes the nominations are quite deserved and fair. I am a member of > > the Grammy Museum and they mostly put on performances of artists that > > appeal to all of us here. The Grammy institution itself seems to still > > revere and recognize great music, even if the awards ceremony itself > > seems sometimes lacking. > > > > Kakki > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 > > ****************************** > > > > ------- > > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > > ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1733 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------