From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1726 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 11 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1726 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:12:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 Sigh. I guess this should come as no great surprise. Based on your post and Kakki's from yesterday, it is actually quite depressing. We need a revolution! I would love to see everyone boycott that overhyped stuff. I am so glad my kids don't listen to any of it. From: Laurie Antonioli To: JMDL Cc: "joni-digest@smoe.org" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 12:44 AM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 Check out this article: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2011/02/why_i_hate_the_grammys.h tml There are "secret committees" that select the nominees.B As a member of NARAS I am incredibly disillusioned by this years' jazz nominees and winners, I am probably going to discontinue being a member.B I'm over it. It's really bad y'all.B You have NO idea.B I could start naming names and give examples but, let's just say this:B it's a club and if you're not in it, forget about it.B They let through random "creative" artists now and then.B A token one here and there, but, the winners are generally with labels that folks on the secret committees actually run.B There.B I told you at least that much and you can go figure it out if you like detective work.B I wouldn't waste your time.B It's actually all a bunch of nonsense. Laurie On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:12 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL DigestB B B Tuesday, February 10 2015B B B Volume 2014 : Number 1716 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- >B Star Maker MachineryB B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B [ > kbhla@fastmail.fm] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:11:45 -0800 > From: kbhla@fastmail.fm > Subject: Star Maker Machinery > > I've had some experience working with music industry executives and > spending a few years in their offices (on various litigation matters) > and found them to be a very rough and brutal bunch.B In Malka's book, > Joni describes some of the horrific things she witnessed over the years. >B My family had friends in the movie business back in the old Hollywood > days, and while that industry could also be harsh at times, I don't > think it holds a candle to the music business.B I think the reason why > the Laurel Canyon group did so well is that they had power in numbers > and overwhelming talent and originality.B They could not be ignored and > all the kids wanting to hear them at the local clubs, etc., presented a > wide sales demographic to be mined by the record companies.B I don't see > that kind of grass roots zeitgeist today that inevitably propels true > original talent to the top.B So now what we get as a consumer is mostly > "manufactured."B However, true talent still endures - maybe not by > widespread recognition and mega sales of product, but by very successful > live shows and tours all over the world. > > As for the Grammys, well their own music peers vote for who wins, and > sometimes the nominations are quite deserved and fair.B I am a member of > the Grammy Museum and they mostly put on performances of artists that > appeal to all of us here.B The Grammy institution itself seems to still > revere and recognize great music, even if the awards ceremony itself > seems sometimes lacking. > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1726 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------