From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1714 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 10 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1714 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: One last thought [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:08:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: One last thought So, what kind of recognition do they want? This is a culture that apparently worships (while it simultaneously hates, and loves to hate) the vacuousness and plasticity of Hollywood. I'm not really sure if OUR culture really would pay as much attention to that stuff as we do, except for the fact that that is what is shoved at us all the time, so it becomes the thing people talk about and know about, even if they don't particularly want to. Look at all those ridiculous gossip magazines and trashy National Inquirer types of publications constantly shoving Kardashians in our faces. I really don't want to know what a Kardashian is, and yet, I do, and I can't help. There are some talented people out there but there are even more people who are famous for nothing but being famous. People who seem to make a shitload of money not doing a great deal except showing up at events. This stuff appeals to the lowest common denominator, which doesn't say a great deal about our culture at all. Is that who Joni wants to be understood by? Or, is it the people behind the starmaker machinery? But those people are the ones shoving this mediocre formulaic crap at us and that's the stuff that becomes well-known because it makes big bucks. It's just a commodity and so are the flavour-of-the-moment pop stars who come and go and whose voices and music all sound the same (says this grouchy old woman.) Some if it may be entertainment but, oh, here's the million-dollar question: is it ART? Don't ask me! What exactly is art and how many people have the appreciation of the kind of vocabulary Joni and others like her use in their songs?B Sadly, most artists aren't even recognized until after they're dead. I guess Beethoven was famous enough in his day, but I don't think he was truly appreciated until after he died. Mozart was buried in a pauper's grave. On that cheerful note, I guess I'll go and feed the cat. From: "anne@sandstrom.com" To: Jim L'Hommedieu Cc: JMDL JMDL ; owner-joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:32 AM Subject: Re: One last thought It's interesting. I'm just finishing one of Toller Cranston's autobiographies. Many of the sentiments are the same. There's a certain bitterness, a sense of having missed something. He's always hoping to be 'discovered" by Hollywood. Geez, being a world reknowned skater and artist isn't enough? I can't help but wonder at both Joni's and Toller's sense that nobody understood them, that there was never enough adoration to feed them. Not to say it was all bad for them. I guess it's just easier to talk about the disappointments. When Toller talks about going to a party at Joni's, he makes a grand and ridiculous entrance, dressed completely inappropriately. She's nowhere to be found; hiding in her bedroom. He does get to talk to her eventually, but feels like a fool. Again, he was hoping to be 'discovered.' I get the sense that there's a real pecking order to fame and that those hungry for it can never get enough. Do you suppose either one was happy during the creative process? lots of love, Anne On 2015-02-09 23:45, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I am Roberta Joan. > Pity me. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1714 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------