From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1692 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 27 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1692 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Turbulent Indigo [Anita Gabrielle ] RE: Turbulent Indigo ["Susan E. McNamara" ] REMOVE ME FROM LIST [Kim Ali ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:03:21 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Turbulent Indigo Bob, I have always been a big fan of TI. You are so right about "Borderline". Such a smart song. I simply like love the title track. I found it so movingly sympathetic to Van Gogh and his terrible suffering within an ebbing, bumpy,colour. "No mercy, sweet Jesus, no mercy from Turbulent Indigo" Joni's scarcely concealed anger at those picking over Vincent's bones in the galleries. "He'd piss in your fireplace..." And, of course, The Magdalene Laundries with its haunting weeping sounds, Joni's cries from the depth of her being. I know I have shared before that I have worked with survivors of the Laundries and the dreadful Industrial "schools" in Ireland. They took great comfort from the song and I will never forget one woman saying "That's us. Lame bulbs who never bloomed." Joni finds the words, yet again, in the places where it's so hard to find them, Anita > On 26 Jan 2015, at 20:35, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > On Thursday I said: > > < entirety.>> > > And, as I strive to always be, I was good to my word. And as much as I > enjoy constantly shuffling my music and having a mix of genres and > artists, I do enjoy listening to albums in their entirety so this was a > great start to my road trip. I did not buy TI until AFTER it was a Grammy > winner, and I never REALLY listened and appreciated it in its depth until > I joined this group, which wasn't too too much later. > > Anyway, I am a TI fan. Sunny Sunday is a great starter, one of my favorite > 'portrait' songs of hers, it's so direct and clearly stated yet you get to > fill in the details surrounding her situation. > > How Do You Stop is a better song than I've given it credit for. Of course > it's not hers, but when you hear it and look at the words you can see why > she decided to record it. It's almost the anti-Last Chance Lost entry, > "Fame and fortune can't hold you tight, in the late late hours of the > night", "You think love will wait, so you don't hold on, and then it's > gone", as compared to "the shrew will not be tamed"...love slipping away > as opposed to facing it head on and dismissing it. "Last Chance Lost" is a > great song and REALLY became one for me when I heard Bettye Lavette > perform it. Still dying to hear her record and release it. > > Borderline may be my favorite song on the record, perhaps because I feel > like in America these days EVERYTHING gets a borderline drawn through it. > It's refreshing to see the responses about Ernie Banks in the wake of his > passing, a gentle man and a gentleman and EVERYTHING that is said of him > is good. No borderline, we don't have to decide which side of the Ernie > Banks fence we are on. So little out there that gives us common ground as > a nation. And every time I hear the phrase "you snipe so steady, you snub > so snide, so ripe and ready, to diminish and deride" I just wonder how > long and how hard she had to work to get to there, and how few writers > would bother to do so. Some clever alliteration too, but nothing done in a > gimmicky way, everything serving the message of the song. This is one of > those songs that I hear and I think "no one but Joni Mitchell could have > written this song". > > The other thing that really stands out throughout the record is Wayne > Shorter's amazing playing. I don't always like everything he does but on > this record he's nearly perfect and accenting Joni's lyrics brilliantly. > > If you haven't listened to TI in its entirety in awhile, do yourself a > favor and give it a ride. I enjoyed listening in the car because I had no > distractions. It's an album that demands your attention so it was great to > spend 45 minutes with it. > > Bob > > NP: Shuggie Otis, "Give Me A Chance" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any and all > computers and other devices. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:46:38 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Turbulent Indigo Agree, agree, agree! Nicely said, Bob. I had TI in my car last week and I'm still awed by her guitar craft, her poetry, and her way of evoking such pathos in all of these songs. Magdalene Laundries, of course, is a treatise, and Not To Blame, Sex Kills, and then if you don't get enough of the heart-wrenching truth, she ends with Sire of Sorrow, set up like a Greek tragedy. It was only recently that I heard the quote from her saying that singing is like acting, and besides a grammy, she should have gotten an academy award, too. I know there are so many great albums in her catalogue, but Turbulent Indigo is my favorite. There I said it. :-) Take care, Sue Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:35 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Turbulent Indigo On Thursday I said: <> And, as I strive to always be, I was good to my word. And as much as I enjoy constantly shuffling my music and having a mix of genres and artists, I do enjoy listening to albums in their entirety so this was a great start to my road trip. I did not buy TI until AFTER it was a Grammy winner, and I never REALLY listened and appreciated it in its depth until I joined this group, which wasn't too too much later. Anyway, I am a TI fan. Sunny Sunday is a great starter, one of my favorite 'portrait' songs of hers, it's so direct and clearly stated yet you get to fill in the details surrounding her situation. How Do You Stop is a better song than I've given it credit for. Of course it's not hers, but when you hear it and look at the words you can see why she decided to record it. It's almost the anti-Last Chance Lost entry, "Fame and fortune can't hold you tight, in the late late hours of the night", "You think love will wait, so you don't hold on, and then it's gone", as compared to "the shrew will not be tamed"...love slipping away as opposed to facing it head on and dismissing it. "Last Chance Lost" is a great song and REALLY became one for me when I heard Bettye Lavette perform it. Still dying to hear her record and release it. Borderline may be my favorite song on the record, perhaps because I feel like in America these days EVERYTHING gets a borderline drawn through it. It's refreshing to see the responses about Ernie Banks in the wake of his passing, a gentle man and a gentleman and EVERYTHING that is said of him is good. No borderline, we don't have to decide which side of the Ernie Banks fence we are on. So little out there that gives us common ground as a nation. And every time I hear the phrase "you snipe so steady, you snub so snide, so ripe and ready, to diminish and deride" I just wonder how long and how hard she had to work to get to there, and how few writers would bother to do so. Some clever alliteration too, but nothing done in a gimmicky way, everything serving the message of the song. This is one of those songs that I hear and I think "no one but Joni Mitchell could have written this song". The other thing that really stands out throughout the record is Wayne Shorter's amazing playing. I don't always like everything he does but on this record he's nearly perfect and accenting Joni's lyrics brilliantly. If you haven't listened to TI in its entirety in awhile, do yourself a favor and give it a ride. I enjoyed listening in the car because I had no distractions. It's an album that demands your attention so it was great to spend 45 minutes with it. Bob NP: Shuggie Otis, "Give Me A Chance" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 16:29:15 -0600 From: Kim Ali Subject: REMOVE ME FROM LIST PLEASE REMOVE KIMALI@ONPURPOSE.CA FROM YOUR DISTRIBUTION LIST. Thank you.! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita Gabrielle Sent: January-26-15 3:03 PM To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Turbulent Indigo Bob, I have always been a big fan of TI. You are so right about "Borderline". Such a smart song. I simply like love the title track. I found it so movingly sympathetic to Van Gogh and his terrible suffering within an ebbing, bumpy,colour. "No mercy, sweet Jesus, no mercy from Turbulent Indigo" Joni's scarcely concealed anger at those picking over Vincent's bones in the galleries. "He'd piss in your fireplace..." And, of course, The Magdalene Laundries with its haunting weeping sounds, Joni's cries from the depth of her being. I know I have shared before that I have worked with survivors of the Laundries and the dreadful Industrial "schools" in Ireland. They took great comfort from the song and I will never forget one woman saying "That's us. Lame bulbs who never bloomed." Joni finds the words, yet again, in the places where it's so hard to find them, Anita > On 26 Jan 2015, at 20:35, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > On Thursday I said: > > < entirety.>> > > And, as I strive to always be, I was good to my word. And as much as I > enjoy constantly shuffling my music and having a mix of genres and > artists, I do enjoy listening to albums in their entirety so this was > a great start to my road trip. I did not buy TI until AFTER it was a > Grammy winner, and I never REALLY listened and appreciated it in its > depth until I joined this group, which wasn't too too much later. > > Anyway, I am a TI fan. Sunny Sunday is a great starter, one of my > favorite 'portrait' songs of hers, it's so direct and clearly stated > yet you get to fill in the details surrounding her situation. > > How Do You Stop is a better song than I've given it credit for. Of > course it's not hers, but when you hear it and look at the words you > can see why she decided to record it. It's almost the anti-Last Chance > Lost entry, "Fame and fortune can't hold you tight, in the late late > hours of the night", "You think love will wait, so you don't hold on, > and then it's gone", as compared to "the shrew will not be > tamed"...love slipping away as opposed to facing it head on and > dismissing it. "Last Chance Lost" is a great song and REALLY became > one for me when I heard Bettye Lavette perform it. Still dying to hear her record and release it. > > Borderline may be my favorite song on the record, perhaps because I > feel like in America these days EVERYTHING gets a borderline drawn through it. > It's refreshing to see the responses about Ernie Banks in the wake of > his passing, a gentle man and a gentleman and EVERYTHING that is said > of him is good. No borderline, we don't have to decide which side of > the Ernie Banks fence we are on. So little out there that gives us > common ground as a nation. And every time I hear the phrase "you snipe > so steady, you snub so snide, so ripe and ready, to diminish and > deride" I just wonder how long and how hard she had to work to get to > there, and how few writers would bother to do so. Some clever > alliteration too, but nothing done in a gimmicky way, everything > serving the message of the song. This is one of those songs that I > hear and I think "no one but Joni Mitchell could have written this song". > > The other thing that really stands out throughout the record is Wayne > Shorter's amazing playing. I don't always like everything he does but > on this record he's nearly perfect and accenting Joni's lyrics brilliantly. > > If you haven't listened to TI in its entirety in awhile, do yourself a > favor and give it a ride. I enjoyed listening in the car because I had > no distractions. It's an album that demands your attention so it was > great to spend 45 minutes with it. > > Bob > > NP: Shuggie Otis, "Give Me A Chance" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this > message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact > the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and > other devices. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender > and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1692 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------