From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1608 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 22 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1608 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Ringo, njc [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Ringo, njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Ringo, njc [Catherine McKay ] Ringo? Damn Right! [simon@icu.com] Re: Mingus show makes the end of year honors list [Jack Merkel ] Mingus show makes the end of year honors list [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Ringo, njc [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Ringo, njc [Clint Norwood ] Wild [Laura Stanley ] Ringo? Damn Right! [simon@icu.com] Re: WTH?, njc [Betsy Blue ] Sound on SoundCloud: Joni Mitchell: The Extended NPR Interview by NPR Music [Richard Flynn Subject: Re: Ringo, njc Geoff Emerick, the Beatles engineer, describes Ringo having to lie down on the studio floor exhausted after a couple of takes, and disinterestedly reading Beano comics while the others were busy making Sgt.Pepper. Somewhat revealing of his involvement I think. > On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:51 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > If Ringo had not had the good fortune to team up with John, Paul & George, > would anyone even know who he was? If Jim L'Hommedieu had had the good > fortune to fall into that slot, he would have inspired thousands of young > men to also be drummers because they were so darn popular. > > Lucky for him, Pete Best was even more mediocre. George Martin even > replaced Ringo with Andy White in their first recording sessions as > drummer. Ringo played tambourine. > > Now, if you want to be particular, it is a Hall of "FAME" and Ringo > certainly qualifies as being **extremely famous** (based on his being a > member of The Beatles and using that as a springboard to a couple of > hits). But if he's going in there based on his solo career then it's > pretty much a travesty. > > Bob > > NP: Ray LaMontagne, "You Can Bring Me Flowers" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any and all > computers and other devices. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:51:37 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Ringo, njc If Ringo had not had the good fortune to team up with John, Paul & George, would anyone even know who he was? If Jim L'Hommedieu had had the good fortune to fall into that slot, he would have inspired thousands of young men to also be drummers because they were so darn popular. Lucky for him, Pete Best was even more mediocre. George Martin even replaced Ringo with Andy White in their first recording sessions as drummer. Ringo played tambourine. Now, if you want to be particular, it is a Hall of "FAME" and Ringo certainly qualifies as being **extremely famous** (based on his being a member of The Beatles and using that as a springboard to a couple of hits). But if he's going in there based on his solo career then it's pretty much a travesty. Bob NP: Ray LaMontagne, "You Can Bring Me Flowers" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:42:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ringo, njc Thank goodness for people standing up for Phil Collins and post-Gabriel Genesis. Yes, they did become more pop-like as time went by, but I like their stuff with and without Peter Gabriel. And yes, I do like Phil Collins, both as a drummer and as a singer. So there! I won't even get into whether or not Ringo "deserves" to be in the Rock Hall of Fame. I don't care about awards and so on, and am in no position to judge what good drumming is, although I think I'd recognize BAD drumming if I heard it (like pretty much anything using synth drum effects), even when I agree with the choices (i.e., because it's someone *I* happen to like, in which case, they've done something right - ha ha!), but I do like Ringo, so I'm not going to pass judgment on whether he, or anyone else for that matter, should or shouldn't be in these things. From: Dave Blackburn To: Jim L'Hommedieu Cc: JMDL JMDL Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Ringo, njc No no no - we shall have no Phil Collins bashing, Jim. Phil was an incredible drummer, brought forward to sing for Genesis when they couldnbt find a replacement for Peter Gabriel in time for a scheduled tour. Over time, he did the impossible, and became a huge pop star despite being a short bald guy with no stage antics. Massive props to him for making it in a business that hitherto ignored musicians like him, AND for his drumming. If you want to hear him showing his drumming skills listen to the first two Brand X albums Unorthodox Behaviour and Morroccan Roll.B https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWnMJfHjAq8 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:20:46 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Ringo? Damn Right! Sorry for the duplication. Yesterday I sent a message (below) to the list at 6:20 pm, and a PS at 6:24 pm. Yet when I received the latest Digest No. 1607, only the 2nd message was included. So, here is the 1st. - - - - - - Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I'm sure that The Beatles were inducted into the Rock Hall long ago. > This year, they inducted Ringo on his own right. What the hell? > Based on what criteria does Ringo deserve to be singled out? > > Jim BECAUSE! he's Ringo, and WAS a member of the Beatles! That's all the criteria needed. Ringo is also one of the best Backbeat drummers in Rock, and was a significant influence on a whole generation of drummers. Editor MODERN DRUMMER magazine, presenting the Editor's Achievement Award to Ringo "What is beyond question is Ringo's impact on an entire generation of drummers who first became drummers as a direct result of seeing and hearing him play in the early days of The Beatles. Literally hundreds of thousands of players -- including some of the greatest drummers playing today -- cite Ringo as their first motivating influence." Jim, Please read And also You may well be surprised, AND learn something. AndSoItgoes, - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:19:12 -0600 From: Jack Merkel Subject: Re: Mingus show makes the end of year honors list Congrats! Any word on whether any of us unfortunates will ever have a chance to hear any of this show? Jack Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > Our Nov 8th. MINGUS show made the list of Robert Bush's top San Diego jazz > concerts of the year!!! This is the Mutts fourth year in a row in the top > 10!!! Woohoo! > > http://tinyurl.com/l9x5ze3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:51:03 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Ringo, njc Trick of the Tail is my #1 Genesis record. I'm sure that's blasphemous to the hard-core Genesis fans to pick a non-Gabriel record as my favorite. For the record, Lamb Lies Down is brilliant and I enjoy their entire run, even the weaker 80's stuff. After all it was the 80's, they couldn't help it. If you haven't heard of them, Elbow reminds me A LOT of Peter Gabriel and put out one of my favorite records of the year, "The Take Off And Landing of Everything". Brand X was a great band - there were a couple tracks I played to death, and the first purchase I ever made on I-Tunes was a Brand X song. Bob NP: John Lee Hooker, "Dimples" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:04:55 -0600 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Wild Movie. Reese Witherspoon Quoted, "will you take me as I am" in a hikers log book. Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:45:23 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Mingus show makes the end of year honors list Our Nov 8th. MINGUS show made the list of Robert Bush's top San Diego jazz concerts of the year!!! This is the Mutts fourth year in a row in the top 10!!! Woohoo! http://tinyurl.com/l9x5ze3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:18:34 -0500 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni's Christmas tree It would have to have a tin angel. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 06:48:01 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Ringo, njc No no no - we shall have no Phil Collins bashing, Jim. Phil was an incredible drummer, brought forward to sing for Genesis when they couldnbt find a replacement for Peter Gabriel in time for a scheduled tour. Over time, he did the impossible, and became a huge pop star despite being a short bald guy with no stage antics. Massive props to him for making it in a business that hitherto ignored musicians like him, AND for his drumming. If you want to hear him showing his drumming skills listen to the first two Brand X albums Unorthodox Behaviour and Morroccan Roll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWnMJfHjAq8 > On Dec 21, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > I'm enjoying the debate. Obviously I've listened to Ringo more than I've listened to anyone else. I can't argue about his contribution to The Beatles. Sure. > > But I think about something Buddy Rich said to Johnny Carson, long ago. "Ringo plays like he has a club in each hand. He sets drumming back 2,000 years." > > If you are playing simple stuff, you actually want a thicker stick because it doesn't bounce. And for the amazingly fast stuff that Rich did, you NEED a thinner stick. > > And it also makes sense that singer-songwriters are gonna keep the drummer roped down much of the time. Not everyone gets to cut loose like Max does at the end of the live version of "Born In The USA". > > But if all of your contributions demonstrate ONLY that your gig kept you under wraps, ask yourself this: does that demonstrate that you are a team player, or that your contribution to the craft was so awesome that you should be singled out for recognition as among the best of the best? > > After I've heard Stewart Copeland, Bernard Purdie, Bill Bruford, mighty Max, and Neil Pert, it's hard to give props to Phil Collins and Ringo. > > Jim, who admittedly is limited to rimshots on tabletops. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:36:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: Ringo, njc I have a unique perspective on Phil Collins as a drummer. Sure Phil did some warty things in his personal life, but Genesis was really good right when he took over the singing (listen to "Seconds Out" its brilliant) around 1976. The Genesis albums made after this ("Trick of the Tail and "Wind and Wuthering') are so very good in every way. And Chester Thompson's (Yes that Chester Thompson) drumming with Phil is classic too.I do not think in any way that Phil Collins should be with Neil Peart or Buddy Rich, but saying he doesn't belong with Copeland and Bruford isn't right. He played with Buford some on that Seconds Out cd as well as Thompson. AAAAAAAHHHHHH ROCK AND ROLL!! - -Clint On Monday, December 22, 2014 9:26 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: Geoff Emerick, the Beatles engineer, describes Ringo having to lie down on the studio floor exhausted after a couple of takes, and disinterestedly reading Beano comics while the others were busy making Sgt.Pepper. Somewhat revealing of his involvement I think. > On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:51 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > If Ringo had not had the good fortune to team up with John, Paul & George, > would anyone even know who he was? If Jim L'Hommedieu had had the good > fortune to fall into that slot, he would have inspired thousands of young > men to also be drummers because they were so darn popular. > > Lucky for him, Pete Best was even more mediocre. George Martin even > replaced Ringo with Andy White in their first recording sessions as > drummer. Ringo played tambourine. > > Now, if you want to be particular, it is a Hall of "FAME" and Ringo > certainly qualifies as being **extremely famous** (based on his being a > member of The Beatles and using that as a springboard to a couple of > hits). But if he's going in there based on his solo career then it's > pretty much a travesty. > > Bob > > NP: Ray LaMontagne, "You Can Bring Me Flowers" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material.B > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any and all > computers and other devices.B > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company.B > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:04:55 -0600 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Wild Movie. Reese Witherspoon Quoted, "will you take me as I am" in a hikers log book. Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:13:29 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Ringo? Damn Right! Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I'm sure that The Beatles were inducted into the Rock Hall long ago. > This year, they inducted Ringo on his own right. What the hell? > Based on what criteria does Ringo deserve to be singled out? > > Jim BECAUSE! he's Ringo, and WAS a member of the Beatles! That's all the criteria needed. Ringo is also one of the best Backbeat drummers in Rock, and was a significant influence on a whole generation of drummers. Editor MODERN DRUMMER magazine, presenting the Editor's Achievement Award to Ringo b "What is beyond question is Ringo's impact on an entire generation of drummers who first became drummers as a direct result of seeing and hearing him play in the early days of The Beatles. Literally hundreds of thousands of players -- including some of the greatest drummers playing today -- cite Ringo as their first motivating influence.b Jim, Please read And also You may well be surprised, AND learn something. AndSoItgoes, - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 06:27:03 -0800 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Re: WTH?, njc I love Ringo. He's such a cutie with his selfies and emojis and slow wifi complaints. He has a cool voice, even if he isn't a great singer, and I love a few of the songs he wrote. His drumming is very distinctive, apparently because he was meant to be left handed and plays leftie on a standard kit. He absolutely deserves to be in the R&R HoF as a Beatle. Individually? I was suprised. I wonder how much this has to do with Paul McCartney, who still has massive clout. Also, I don't like double inductions because too many deserving bands get left out anyway. Can't stop now, I suppose. Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 22:50:59 -0500 From: Richard Flynn Subject: Sound on SoundCloud: Joni Mitchell: The Extended NPR Interview by NPR Music Joni Mitchell: The Extended NPR Interview by NPR Music http://soundcloud.com/npr_music/joni-mitchell-the-npr-interview Shared from the SoundCloud iOS app. Get it for free here: http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/soundcloud/id336353151?mt=8 Richard Flynn Professor of Literature Georgia Southern University https://sites.google.com/a/georgiasouthern.edu/rflynn http://georgiasouthern.academia.edu/RichardFlynn ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1608 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------